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post #571 of 598
Incredible

I guess it's been 6 years now since you started Mark? I'm not sure if I've seen the final product here?
post #572 of 598
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Anyone know of some good iPhone or iPad Automation threads anywhere. Anyone know if 7 year old Insteon lighting, Denon receivers and older stuff will work with any of the newer smartphone controlling devices?
post #573 of 598
I've only read a little about them, so no expert - but the one I've heard discussed a lot is iRule:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1351981/irule

And Mario's Cinemar stuff looks very impressive too. I guess it depends on what specifically you want to be able to do with it.

I don't see any reason why older gear would be a problem, as long as its IR controllable.

Nice to see you around here again. smile.gif
post #574 of 598
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

I've only read a little about them, so no expert - but the one I've heard discussed a lot is iRule:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1351981/irule
And Mario's Cinemar stuff looks very impressive too. I guess it depends on what specifically you want to be able to do with it.
I don't see any reason why older gear would be a problem, as long as its IR controllable.
Nice to see you around here again. smile.gif
Hey Brad

Thanks I ordered some of their gizmos to try, looks and sounds easy after tackling Charmed Quark and Mainlobby all those years ago...........no more need for Windows/PC type stuff laying around. It seems this even handles Insteon as well.........we shall see
post #575 of 598
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Well it appears AppleTV , iPhone5 or iPad, and a Macbook just gave me whole house audio in about 20 minutes. Had this type of stuff been around 3 years ago I would have held motivation!

If everything goes right playing around in the next couple weeks maybe I will get Carpet and Drapes!
post #576 of 598
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Quick question for those in the know.

My old Denon receiver has the power I want and need for the theater so I would like to keep it since it was a $ 5k 170 watts per channel receiver.

Can I use it strictly as an amp and buy a new Airplay capable receiver ( cheaper ) and hook it up to the old Denon using its power as an amp.

I would be using the new Airplay receiver for all video/source switching and the old Denon as a volume basically, I wouldn't even really need to control the volume, just adjust it below clipping and use the iPhone slider for the Airplay volume instead. I know it sounds confusing but......I'm guessing someone knows what I'm try to do and from what I remember this is do-able because an airplay receiver with 170 watts per channel ( if they even have one) is above $3500 and I'm seeing decent Airplays for $300-$600
post #577 of 598
I'm using my Denon Receiver (4311ci) strictly as a Pre/pro and taking the channel signals out to a 7 channel Outlaw Audio Amp. Works fine. You just need to make sure your equipment has the necessary inputs and outputs.
post #578 of 598
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

I'm using my Denon Receiver (4311ci) strictly as a Pre/pro and taking the channel signals out to a 7 channel Outlaw Audio Amp. Works fine. You just need to make sure your equipment has the necessary inputs and outputs.
Basically im picturing this done with HDMI out from pre/pro and in to the Denon, should be just that easy, What I am wondering is if I can leave the Denons Volume UP and use the pre/pro to adjust the volume.........this is where I'm wondering how 2 receivers would respond
post #579 of 598
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Thanks again Brad! iRule is incredible.

Tonight I streamed a movie clear across the house from a Macbook all using an iPhone5 to control everything. Automation has come a million miles in 4 years thanks to Apple and iRule. All I can say is WOW how easy
post #580 of 598
Awesome glad it's working well for you!
post #581 of 598
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Well I doubt anyone still follows this thread anymore, Heck the Theater actually turned into a storage room while waiting for decent Automation to show up. Thanks to iRule I think we're now pretty good for over a year now, we have seen 99% stability.

A strange motivational factor popped up.....Karaoke, not sure if anyone here does this, I never had or even dreamed of singing in front of people but we did a friends "Barn Bar" via iPad, youtube, Final Cut Pro, Apple TV and some decent pro audio gear mainly JBL,EV, and Yamaha Mixers and it came out so professional and amazing that I we discovered we have some talented people amongst us that enjoy this highly and it sounds better than any Karaoke Bar we have ever heard.

Well, we installed a duplicate in the Theater and had a trial run and it was amazing and probably the most fun I have seen in a long while, inebriated people build courage and the results are sometimes surprising.

I wish I could get Video that shows just how great the lighting came out but my iPhone is obviously not up to the task. I have 16 zones of lighting ( about half of them colored, the rest spots) controlled audibly via a light controller, this thing is incredible.

Now here comes the questions......Fabric, I found some stuff called Duck Cloth that I can get as cheap as $8 a yard and it is quite nice looking and basically canvas. I know everyone prefers GOM or at least they used to, is there a good source for this that's not $20 a yard? Also does it still look like it did 7 years ago?

To me Duck Cloth looks much better and at 1/3 the price Im wondering what other people used for fabric on walls and ceilings?

Question number 2 is a weird one but you guys are a creative bunch. I have made a faux Stained Glass piece for the dormer and I want to remove the panes from the original window and replace them with a see thru pane visible on the outside but not inside the Theater, is that perforated vinyl stuff they use on cars and shop windows the only stuff that can pull this off?

Question #3 Anyone ever use a haze maker that didn't use chemicals that leave a residue.......the lasers and other lighting effects we have look amazing with haze, I'm seeing some claiming no smell or residue but I'm not sure I'm buying those claims
post #582 of 598
If you don't post pics, it never happened....
post #583 of 598
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If you don't post pics, it never happened....
What do you want pics of?
post #584 of 598
You haven't posted pics in a long time. Is it complete? How about of the karaoke setup?
post #585 of 598
You can definitely use fabric other than GOM, which does tend to look a bit industrial. The trick is to get something that air moves through fairly freely, while still having enough substance that it hides your acoustics/speakers/etc behind it. If you get some GOM, you can put a little sample of it up to your lips, stretch it fairly tight with your hands, and puff a little air through it. You'll get a sense of how much of it goes through and how much bounces back to your lips. Then you can try the same thing with your candidate fabrics.

I found a fabric I really liked for my theater, but it totally failed this test -- I could feel all the air hitting my lips and almost none going through. Eventually the folks at KYDG found a great looking fabric that passed the test, and we used that. We used GOM on the ceiling, where it's far enough away that it's totally fine, but having seen it installed in person, I'm really glad that we were able to find something with a bit more character for the walls.

Good luck!
post #586 of 598
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Originally Posted by JustMike View Post

You can definitely use fabric other than GOM, which does tend to look a bit industrial. The trick is to get something that air moves through fairly freely, while still having enough substance that it hides your acoustics/speakers/etc behind it. If you get some GOM, you can put a little sample of it up to your lips, stretch it fairly tight with your hands, and puff a little air through it. You'll get a sense of how much of it goes through and how much bounces back to your lips. Then you can try the same thing with your candidate fabrics.

I found a fabric I really liked for my theater, but it totally failed this test -- I could feel all the air hitting my lips and almost none going through. Eventually the folks at KYDG found a great looking fabric that passed the test, and we used that. We used GOM on the ceiling, where it's far enough away that it's totally fine, but having seen it installed in person, I'm really glad that we were able to find something with a bit more character for the walls.

Good luck!

If you try this at Joanne's Fabrics, pick a time when they won't be busy. My wife and I went on a busy Saturday afternoon and spent over an hour blowing through most of their fabrics. Definitely received some strange looks.
post #587 of 598
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JoAnns is where we found the Duck cloth but they want $10 plus a yard, I can get the same stuff online for just over half price but getting the color right might be tricky because they have 3 colors of burgundy and only one of them we like
post #588 of 598
I shelled out for GoM (not FR701, a different line that I liked the look of better) for my wall panels, but saved some money with black speaker cloth from rosebrand.com for column fronts and over the insulation behind the screen, and black Commando Cloth for over my soffits.
post #589 of 598
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Well I figured out the fabric except the ceilings which are going to be a trick but the walls we have mailed down...........just going to cut and paste another response in another thread to an old time friend JMorris

Outstanding on the new theater! Yep the iPad (especially the mini) has changed everything when combined with iRule. We just use an iPad mini and whats so great about iRule is you have multiple remote in the room so during our new favorite Theater use ( Karaoke) our mini gets stuck into a boom mic stand as the song selector and I use my iPhone as the volume and lighting controller which basically runs insteon switches hooked up to an actual lighting controller. Its so discrete people don't even know how things are being controlled, they just think everythings magic. I am actually motivated to finish and ordered 200 yards of upholstery fabric that JoAnns fabric had 50% off and mis marked to begin with so we got $50 a yard fabric for $15 a yard and jumped all over that which made it easy to make final decisions on just making massive screen/ stage curtains and pleating the entire side walls front to back.....we did a test run of the pleats on walls and in the dormers and it looks pretty good. The one thing we couldn't figure out was what to do with the dormer windows and years ago we made a faux stained glass for a friend so we tried an experiment to try and have something unique and we think it's going to work well.

We wanted to do the ole Movie Poster thing but no matter what it just didn't work especially after we discovered we have more musically inclined friends and family than we knew. I really didn't want to change movie posters all the time either so we just made up a theme of something somewhere between Moulin Rouge and bat chit crazy. We have a friend that does Aerial Dancing with rings and silk cloth and chairs and she plans on some performances up above the stage area, she's amazing and has actually posed for some graphics for our attempt at stained glass







These are really hard to get pictures of with an iPhone but you get the idea, the only picture we have of the final product was taken by someone that appeared slightly intoxicated and its really blurry but you get the idea, I ran LED strip lights in behind to replicate that movie poster look and you still have basically a full view out the windows, my wife gave sewing a shot and thinks she has it figured out on curtains

Hopefully next party I'll remember to take better pictures and maybe get a little more done

post #590 of 598
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Oh and before someone asks about how the name of the Theater came about, we have a friend and her family lives in Ukraine and unfortunately she is now there as well and can't get out.......in a Skype conversation she came up with the name so hopefully some day she can visit her "Klub"

We tossed around a hundred names and naming a theater is pretty hard so we just went with her name to add to the attempt at uniqueness
post #591 of 598
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and heres our very first attempt at this.......our final two are starting tomorrow but won't be done for quite awhile

post #592 of 598

Man those are masterpieces! How do you do the glass colors? Or is that plastic?

post #593 of 598
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Man those are masterpieces! How do you do the glass colors?
We went with this product http://www.dickblick.com/products/pebeo-vitrea-160-glass-paint/ except the oil based stuff because the 160 just doesn't have that "pop" what we can't get a picture of because the camera won't pick it up is that when you flow it in and it hits the outliner it sort of backs off ever so slightly creating a "bevel" that throws some amazing effects, when we had a party last weekend to see what people thought one of the women sat there for almost an hour just staring and snapping pictures so we figured we would go ahead and do all four....... I wish I had here pictures, she must have filled an entire phone with pictures and she does floral arrangements for weddings and such so.........
post #594 of 598

But seriously, somebody is a true artist.

post #595 of 598
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But seriously, somebody is a true artist.
Not really, at first I was going to draw it by hand but being 73" x 48" it was taking a long time so I started in on cheat mode.

I just design it in iDraw now and unfortunately shot it through apple tv to a projector and tried tracing the image on a large piece of paper which worked well but took entirely too long but its now the template for everything but the girls, for them I'm cheating now as well. My dancer friend has been posing and Im just printing the images and putting them under the glass. The sax girl was just some random girl I found on pintrest when looking for fishnet stocking pics and one of the next girls Im stealing from the guy that does high speed photography and pours milk on the models.....so cool....... just google Jaroslav Wieczorkiewicz and click images, the guy is a genius

The hard part is I'm doing this on 1/4" tempered glass so it is basically freehand anyway and I use an eyedropper so it is tricky to a point, I've learned a lot, the last 2 should be pretty much figured out now, Im moving these two to the front of the theater in the less visible spot wink.gif
post #596 of 598
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Originally Posted by Mark P View Post

The sax girl was just some random girl I found on pintrest when looking for fishnet stocking pics and one of the next girls Im stealing from the guy that does high speed photography and pours milk on the models.....

"I'm serious, honey! It's research for the theater!"
post #597 of 598
Amazing!! The faux stained glass looks stunning. LOL, an eye dropper... My daughter is pretty big into art, so I can appreciate the amount of time and effort it takes for something like that. The blending and shading looks great, congrats!!

Good luck with the rest.
post #598 of 598
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Originally Posted by oman321 View Post

Amazing!! The faux stained glass looks stunning. LOL, an eye dropper... My daughter is pretty big into art, so I can appreciate the amount of time and effort it takes for something like that. The blending and shading looks great, congrats!!

Good luck with the rest.
Pictures don't do them any justice, no matter what you can't capture what they actually look like. We bought these little faux diamonds that are flat on the back and we spread hundreds of these in the girls outfits so when you walk around the room you feel like your in vegas but cameras completely miss this and the hundreds of bevel effects you get not to mention the vividness of the colors. Then again we just snap iPhone pics and thats never been the iPhone strong suit.

Yeah eyedropper, bent over a pool table trying to do detailing is pretty crazy, the next one is going to be insane if I can pull it off. I started it this morning and thought maybe it wouldn't take the 120 hours the wife and I put into the last one. strangely enough the sax girls dress took 6 hours......my aching back
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