New DVDO iScan VP30 - Page 2

Holy smokes! I'm getting dizzy here, folks!


Makes sense.

You're enjoying this...aren't you?

Horst,

The digital audio out on the VP30.

DR

I'm still curious as to how this unit will compare to the DF. In other words....would there be much difference between a Mosquito > VP30 vs a Mosquito > DF setup. The price is sure better. Any thoughts?
Javry

I think it is cruel and unusual punishment to show us a little bit and then run off. Josh clearly has sadistic tendencies.

The $64 question Josh: Is this VP going to have state of the art deinterlacing for BOTH film and video and BOTH SD and HD sources?

I'm assuming that like it's predecessors, it can output 1400x1050 @ 60HZ over HDMI/DVI-I to the projector.

If the answer to the question is yes, and the assumption is correct---SOLD!

Dan

I briefly browsed through the VP30 info on DVDO web. It only mentions deinterlace for NTSC/PAL. For HD source it only said the signal will be processed without any detail. The current HD+ already process HDTV source over DVI.

I think we need more info about HD processing. I hope by Monday we will know more. Otherwise it doesn't look good...

regards,

Li On

Josh,

Can a HDMI input have its audio assigned to a separate coax or optical input? I.e. if I have a cable box with DVI out, can I use an adapter to route just video to the iScan VP30 (which is all there would be via DVI --> HDMI), then pick up the audio on another input?

Good news that the SDI module from the HD/HD+ is compatible! That makes the upgrade a very easy sell for me!

-John

Li On, I understood the current HD+ only PASSES THRU HD source from component input. This one will apparently take ALL sources and scale them to the desired output resolution and outputs all over a single HDMI cable. Josh, is that correct?

It does appear that the new processor does not provide deinterlacing for 720i sources. So if your OTA HDTV tuner has poor deinterlacing, this unit won't help you with that. Ditto for an HD "digital" cable box.

I'm intrigued with the idea of combining this unit with a Mosquito. That might provide the high-end deinterlacing and noise reduction desired for either 480i or 720i, combined with the very nice video/audio switching and up-rezzing of this unit.

Dan

Hi Josh!
How does the trade-in work for HD+ with SDI & HD+ without SDI? Is there any credit for trading in a unit with SDI input? Price is certainly tempting. Is it possible to get trade-in credit as well as early bird discount? I am assuming the unit has full bore HD deinterlacing/processing.
Thanks.

Josh,

You claimed above:

"(Of course connecting up HDMI sources and going out analog is not allowed because of HDCP)."

I was under the impression that the FCC had voted to prohibit the use of selectable outputs control and by doing so - left the "Analog hole" open.

"The Commission voted to prohibit the use of "selectable output control" technology on all digital cable and direct-broadcast satellite systems, leaving open the "analog hole" dreaded by the studios."

http://www.cedmagazine.com/cedailydi...aily030911.htm

If this is still the case - then it should be "legal" to accept a digital input, process it and output it over an analog port (such as RGBHV) without restricting the resolution in any way.

Is ABT just being conservative with their approach or are our beloved analog CRT's in jeopardy here. Please comment on the actual legal requirement as well as ABT's position on this.

Sincere thanks.

Ed

I'm also wondering about the trade in with SDI. My unit has the SDI module. When I trade it in will that module be put in the VP30 or do I have to try and remove the SDI module myself to reinstall in the VP30?

wow HD+ has 1k ! This is what I call a "real" tradein value ! U do treat ur old customers well. Thank you !

Just one question (I can't find it from the web site): is the vertical shifting feature currently added in HD+ firmware upgrade also available in the VP30 ? (I'm assuming the VP30 can do all the things HD+ can do.)

It's the same module, just remove it from the HD+ and put it into the VP30. It's a very simple procedure.

Josh,

Aside from the HDCP issue could the digital transcoding from DVI/HDMI to analog be done to nonHDCP encrypted DVI sources?

Andy

As far as I know, the FCC ruling would only apply to broadcast receive and transmit equipment. I believe HDMI.org is the one that sets the licensing requirements for the use of their chip, and one of them is HDCP copy protection must be present.

I think you can't properly scale without deinterlacing before (or am I wrong?).


The Mosquito only does noise reduction and sharpen and such stuff. It can *not* deinterlace.

I'd really like to hear from Josh about HD deinterlacing capabilities of the VP30. Does it do proper motion adaptive deinterlacing for 1080i?

Well, one week ago, I am complaining about the lack of processors that do this....

"* 4 digital inputs. At least 3 are pure HDMI. The fourth can be DVI or HDMI.
* 2-3 component inputs. If people have that many, this box has to be the "one box that switches them all". These should probably be VGA compatible and therefore offer 5 inputs.
* 2-4 composite / s-video inputs
* Every single input has sound. So every single input needs its own Toslink or digital coax to correspond with it. The HDMI must pass audio, but since some sources are DVI, this means they also need a corresponding audio. To make things simpler on conncetors, it's fine if you have "mapped" audio and offer 8-12 total connectors, maybe 9 optical, 3 coax. I don't care a whit about coax, but I know some people do."

The new iScan comes pretty close. You may still not get away with all your audio switching through this box if you have DVI sources, but 5 non-HDMI audio inputs is, well, a lot!

And the restoration of the single-cable-to-the-display is at hand!

That gave me a good laugh. Thanks Josh.


I really like the any-resolution-in, any-resolution-out approach. I wish the whole industry would adopt it.

The 1999.99 dollar question is how good is the video deinterlacing and comb filtering...

Will this accept 480i over HDMI?

1080P24SF for us Qualia owners?

Josh.

Can us poor canadians enjoy the nice trade-in program also? Do we deal with DVDO directly on your site, or with our dealers... As usual, everyone in Canada doesn't know what to do...

Correct Madshi, me confused!

OK Josh and anyone else who can comment, just a couple of questions related to my proposed new setup. It would be as follows:

Three sources: HD Cable 480i or 720P/HDTV OTA 480i or 720P/Denon 3910 480i or 480P.

Setup: Sources fed to Mosquito, then to VP30, then to NON HDCP display, the Canon Realis SX50, a 4:3 LCOS of native resolution 1400 x 1050 @60hz. Signal from VP 30 would be carried by an HDMI/DVI cable.

All three sourceswould be routed through the Mosquito for noise reduction and the other stuff the Mosquito does. Output from Mosquito would be via a single set of component cables into the VP30.

Here are the questions:

1. Am I likely to be better off using the deinterlacing in the new VP 30 as opposed to that in the cable box and OTA tuner? If so, these would come to the VP30 as 480i.

2. Ditto on the Denon 3910. I have to use either 480i or 480P out on it to get around the HDCP hassle (the Canon SX50 display is non HDCP). For now, I'd rather avoid the Digital Connections HDCP "fix". Am I better off to let the Denon deinterlace instead of the DVDO?

3. Will the DVDO be able to "see" which signal it is getting over the single input component cable set and apply the proper processing without switching? In ALL cases I need the DVDO output over the HDMI/DVI link to the projector.

Thanks.

Dan

Dan, the Mosquito needs to get unscaled data, otherwise some of the algorythms won't work.