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post #61 of 1796
Those numbers will be way bigger when the USA plays next summer and the American public can view it at a reasonable time of day.
post #62 of 1796
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Originally Posted by kjroddy
The entire ESPN production was very hokey last time around... the commentators were not even at the match, they were watching TV in the Connecticut studios... You could tell they were watching the live feed and delaying because on at least a couple of occasions the commentator launched into his totally unconvincing faked enthusiastic Brazilian commentator impersonation "GOOOOOAALL!!" before the ball was anywhere remotely near the net. :rolleyes:
Graphics, studio host and daily recap show were all done in ESPN's Charlotte office. Also, all of the announcers were on-site, not in Connecticut.
post #63 of 1796
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Originally Posted by Mark Vidonic
Graphics, studio host and daily recap show were all done in ESPN's Charlotte office. Also, all of the announcers were on-site, not in Connecticut.
Presumably if the commentary was coming back from the host-site via ISDN or another terrestrial circuit, but the video + match sound was coming back via MPEG2 satellite circuits, this would still allow the commentary to lead the visual action and natural sound effects of the match by a second or two - unless the commentary was delayed similarly.

I noticed this effect on a European wide entertainment show recently - where the out-of-vision commentary was ISDN terrestrial, but the vision and show audio was satellite. At one point there was a winners announcement in reverse prder - and the commentator often called the winner before we saw the opened envelope.

(And this wasn't a fix where the commentator knew the results beforehand!)
post #64 of 1796
I'm not sure how exactly that was done, I can check into it.
I was called by them to go to Charlotte for 2 weeks or however long it would have been to work the studio side. Unfotunately, I was knee-deep in baseball at that point, couldn't get time off.
post #65 of 1796
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Originally Posted by NVboy
Yeah, we're the ones who understand the true meaning of the word football.
You beat me to it! :D

Soccer is an American abbreviation of the word association. Football is a world abbreviation of the words Association Football.

Football was in the USA before the American Football, at one time they were both called Football, so they introduced the word soccer. Not many people know where the word soccer comes from, its a nasty word. :(

During the last world cup living in LA, SoCal, all the bars had it on the tvs, SoCal has a slightly large hispanic population, therefore huge interest in the worldcup.
post #66 of 1796
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Originally Posted by JamesMH
You beat me to it! :D

Soccer is an American abbreviation of the word association. Football is a world abbreviation of the words Association Football.

Football was in the USA before the American Football, at one time they were both called Football, so they introduced the word soccer. Not many people know where the word soccer comes from, its a nasty word. :(

During the last world cup living in LA, SoCal, all the bars had it on the tvs, SoCal has a slightly large hispanic population, therefore huge interest in the worldcup.
Yep, though I though it was the English that abbreviated Association Football to be 'soccer', but, same thing. The really fascinating thing is the evolution of the early types in to the two main types: football-soccer, and rugby-football, check out the Wikipedia entry for the fascinating history.
post #67 of 1796
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Originally Posted by gaderson
Yep, though I though it was the English that abbreviated Association Football to be 'soccer', but, same thing. The really fascinating thing is the evolution of the early types in to the two main types: football-soccer, and rugby-football, check out the Wikipedia entry for the fascinating history.
I can believe that. Rugby is also often called "rugger" in some circles (as a colloquialism) - often the more upper class areas of British society.

I wonder whether Rugger and Soccer are related - or one was chosen to sound like the other?
post #68 of 1796
Football (soccer) is not named football because they mostly use their feet to play with the ball. Headers are allowed as is every other part of your body except your arms and hands. That is not even true. Goalies and throw-ins for instance.

It is named football because it is played on your feet. Back in the day people used to play sports on horseback. (Polo for instance) That is the distinction. Therefore American Football is aptly named football as is soccer and rugby and Aussie rules.
post #69 of 1796
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Originally Posted by sneals2000
I can believe that. Rugby is also often called "rugger" in some circles (as a colloquialism) - often the more upper class areas of British society.

I wonder whether Rugger and Soccer are related - or one was chosen to sound like the other?
It's a bit murky but most people seem to think that it's from the Victorian Upper Class slang of the time. Rugby Football was nicknamed 'Rugger' and Association Football (the older code of football, just as Aussie Rules is another 'code' of the game) was nicknamed 'Soccer' from 'Assoc.'

I think it's one of the reasons for a lot football fans from the UK not using and disparaging the word 'Soccer'. Not only because it's a bit 'new' but as football was always a working man's game and not for the 'prawn sandwich' brigade.

As to goman's post I've no idea where all that comes from and have never heard that explanation. Sounds fishy.
post #70 of 1796
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Originally Posted by Brainodo
As to goman's post I've no idea where all that comes from and have never heard that explanation. Sounds fishy.
I didn't make that up. I found it somewhere. Maybe it was in the History of Football (Soccer) show I saw. It doesn't sound fishey to me. It sounds plausable.

Rugby was calley Rugby Football and soccer was called Association Football. Although Rugby uses the hands with the ball more than the feet is was still called "Football." This was because the upper class who made the rules for both AF and RF played a sport on a field on horseback called Polo.
post #71 of 1796
Maybe it wasn't Polo that made Football, Football. Polo was introduced and codified in England after the English were already using the word football for both AF and RF.

The one thing all games of football have in common though is my first premise.. Played on feet using ball. No other tools neccessary.

oh - I found my reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28word%29

""Football" (or "foot-ball") originally referred to a wide variety of games played in medieval Europe, which were played on foot — that is, by peasants — as opposed to the games played by horse-riding aristocrats. The name was used initially for any game played on foot, not just those that involved kicking a ball."
post #72 of 1796
Wasn't trying to besmirch you, sorry about that. I didn't realise your expanation for the uses of the term 'football' was going so far back.
I had wondered where the first use of football came from. Interesting that it covered any game played on foot.
It's also interesting that the US, Australia and the UK all use 'football' to describe the code they most commonly play and not always the other names (American Football, Soccer, Australian Rules Football).

Whatever it's called, chuffed to bits I can see the whole thing in HD.
post #73 of 1796
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Originally Posted by goman

""Football" (or "foot-ball") originally referred to a wide variety of games played in medieval Europe, which were played on foot — that is, by peasants — as opposed to the games played by horse-riding aristocrats. The name was used initially for any game played on foot, not just those that involved kicking a ball."
Makes sense to me. Thus the need for differentiating terms such as "American football," to denote the lesser sport. The rest of the world knows what "real" football is, be it soccer or whatever.
post #74 of 1796
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Originally Posted by Brainodo
It's a bit murky but most people seem to think that it's from the Victorian Upper Class slang of the time. Rugby Football was nicknamed 'Rugger' and Association Football (the older code of football, just as Aussie Rules is another 'code' of the game) was nicknamed 'Soccer' from 'Assoc.'

I think it's one of the reasons for a lot football fans from the UK not using and disparaging the word 'Soccer'. Not only because it's a bit 'new' but as football was always a working man's game and not for the 'prawn sandwich' brigade.

As to goman's post I've no idea where all that comes from and have never heard that explanation. Sounds fishy.
Yep - that sounds exactly on the money. Rugger is still very much an "upper class" kind of word - especially at British public schools (which are actually private schools...) and the more established universities like Oxford and Cambridge. (Ruby players are semi-affectionately known with a rhyming slang term which I won't repeat here.)

Soccer is in far less widespread use in these circles these days.

The difference between Rugby and Football supporters and amateur players is an amazingly complex bit of British class differentiation IMHO.
post #75 of 1796
Guys thanks for the lesson. Sure one learns something everyday
post #76 of 1796
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Originally Posted by leftjab
MLS, through its marketing arm SUM, owns the rights to the 2006 World Cup, and packaged to them to ABC/ESPN in early 2002 along with MLS games from 2002-2006, the 2002 World Cup, and 2003 Women's World Cup. SUM paid $40 million for the rights to the 2002 & 2006 World Cups, and 2003 Women's World Cup. [Univision paid $150 m for spanish-speaking rights for 2002].

Interesting that the English rights for soccer events '06 world cup, mls games '02-'06, '02 world cup and '03 women's world cup are about 1/4 of what the spanish rights were for one single event '02 world cup (40 million vs 160 million)

On the other hand there has been no announcement from Univision about showing the games in HD. Maybe they don't have enough money left after paying for the '06 world cup rights :D
post #77 of 1796
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Originally Posted by Cucuy
Interesting that the English rights for soccer events '06 world cup, mls games '02-'06, '02 world cup and '03 women's world cup are about 1/4 of what the spanish rights were for one single event '02 world cup (40 million vs 160 million)

On the other hand there has been no announcement from Univision about showing the games in HD. Maybe they don't have enough money left after paying for the '06 world cup rights :D
Univision has no HD channel.
post #78 of 1796
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Originally Posted by JCL
Univision has no HD channel.
Launching Jan 1st according to email I received in the top 10 Uni markets.
post #79 of 1796
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Originally Posted by sneals2000
Yep - that sounds exactly on the money. Rugger is still very much an "upper class" kind of word - especially at British public schools (which are actually private schools...) and the more established universities like Oxford and Cambridge. (Ruby players are semi-affectionately known with a rhyming slang term which I won't repeat here.)

Soccer is in far less widespread use in these circles these days.

The difference between Rugby and Football supporters and amateur players is an amazingly complex bit of British class differentiation IMHO.
And as the Wikipedia entries note, it was also where they were played. In larger fields, they had the space to pick up the ball and run, whereas those in the smaller 'quad' of a building tended to use only their feet, so that's where the two games started to diverge. The "Rules" for FA (the Football Association) weren't codified until the 1860s and the earlier 'Cambridge Rules' had favored the 'only feet' game, so that's the start.
I had English coaches in high school, so I relate to the vocab: Football, boots, shin-pads, etc. The high school [American] football team was made up of largely guys who didn't make the socccer/football team.
post #80 of 1796
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Originally Posted by JCL
Univision has no HD channel.
Yeah that was my point. They only broadcast digital in some markets as of now and they have not had anything produced/announced in HD yet.


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Originally Posted by roachxp
Launching Jan 1st according to email I received in the top 10 Uni markets.
Roachxp did you get that email from them directly. I tried asking them and the local sports news guy from San Francisco responded saying they did not know. What are the top 10 markets? They don't reply to emails often either
post #81 of 1796
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Originally Posted by Mark Vidonic
Graphics, studio host and daily recap show were all done in ESPN's Charlotte office. Also, all of the announcers were on-site, not in Connecticut.
Are you absolutely positive all the announcers were on-site? I can swear that Tommy Smythe, at least, was on camera in-studio for the games. I seem to remember that the lead announcing team was in Japan/Korea for the US and other highlight games, but that the other announcers were in the US. I think that some of the busy days the second crew did more than one game. I'll give you that this may have been for France '98, but I do not believe I am remembering that far back.
post #82 of 1796
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Originally Posted by Cucuy
Roachxp did you get that email from them directly. I tried asking them and the local sports news guy from San Francisco responded saying they did not know. What are the top 10 markets? They don't reply to emails often either
I emailed the Boston Uni in April, he just mention top 10 markets for Uni, and Boston was one of them.

So IMO Miami will be one, parts of Cali, parts of Texas, NYC
post #83 of 1796
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Originally Posted by auribe14
Are you absolutely positive all the announcers were on-site? I can swear that Tommy Smythe, at least, was on camera in-studio for the games. I seem to remember that the lead announcing team was in Japan/Korea for the US and other highlight games, but that the other announcers were in the US. I think that some of the busy days the second crew did more than one game. I'll give you that this may have been for France '98, but I do not believe I am remembering that far back.
I believe that is correct. Ty Keogh and Jack "Mine eyes have seen the glory" Edwards were in Japan/Korea but all the other ESPN/ABC broadcast teams called their games from Connecticut.
post #84 of 1796
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Originally Posted by guamster
Jack "Mine eyes have seen the glory" Edwards
I almost cried when he said this, almost do each time I think of it. Kinda like how I remember Clint Mathis's goal against South Korea when hearing "Caught in the Sun"

Has anyone else seen the USA DVD from the 2002 WC? Man, the PQ is amazing for being 480p. It blows away Fox's 720p.
post #85 of 1796
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast
I almost cried when he said this, almost do each time I think of it. Kinda like how I remember Clint Mathis's goal against South Korea when hearing "Caught in the Sun"

Has anyone else seen the USA DVD from the 2002 WC? Man, the PQ is amazing for being 480p. It blows away Fox's 720p.
Are you referring to the "My Way" DVD? I have that DVD but I last watched it a couple years ago, during my pre-HDTV era. I may have to re-watch that video again...perhaps right before the the US-Mexico WCQ match a week from Saturday.

Thanks for the "suggestion."
post #86 of 1796
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Originally Posted by guamster
Are you referring to the "My Way" DVD?
The one I am talking about is called Coming of Age. It was a recap of the US games. I think it was titled under another name from another company, could by My Way.
post #87 of 1796
Bump.

USA clinched a berth in WC '06 on Saturday night with a righteous beatdown of El Tri, 2-0.
post #88 of 1796
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Originally Posted by lynesjc
Bump.

USA clinched a berth in WC '06 on Saturday night with a righteous beatdown of El Tri, 2-0.
Well, having watched my local (at least 'till the end of the season;) 'Quakes with their fluid movment and cracking goals (textbook header from Cerritos, and watch Moreno split his defenders!), the US-Mexico game looked like a couple of pickup teams out for a grudge match (4 yellows I think, and those wern't the hardest hits!)--and they're ranked 5th! and 6th! (much of Europe and South America must be terrible this year). Therefore I must agree with the comments ealier in the thread that if we go like we're looking now we'll be out in the first round. Though the fact we qualifed, beating our main rival (talk now of putting us two in with the South Americans), even looking bad, gives us hope. Better than Brazil has been doing lately;)

But, seeing as the 'Quakes have always done well as a team, and that Bruce seems to field a retooled team each half (the Mexicans were quoted as not knowing who they'll face 'till kick-off). So, hopefully they can try some others out in the later games and some friendlies, (BRIAN CHING'S BACK!, hint, hint), and get a team that can play as a team.

And, back more towards the thread, how did the game look on ESPNHD2??
post #89 of 1796
For those of you looking forward to seeing the US play in HD, there will be several friendlies after the completion of the qualfying cycle in November. Although the only friendly confirmed is at Germany in late Winter, there should be a half dozen or so additional friendlies prior to the World Cup in June and, hopefully, some of them will be broadcast on HDNET as this channel has demonstrated a continued commitment to US Soccer broadcasting 1 MLS match per week and several friendlies over the past couple years.

Another key date to look forward to is December 9th when the draw occurs and the three teams the US will face in the Group Stage will be determined.

Of course, I'll still be watching ESPN-2 SD tonite at 10pm to see our young primarily domestically based guns take on an El Pescaditoless Guatemala squad. I'm quite anxious to see Bobby Convey play after his recent success at Reading and it will be nice to see Eddie Johnson put on a US kit once again after such a long layoff due to injury. GO US!!!
post #90 of 1796
Nblue, thanks for updates.. what sites u read to get soccer news? bbc.co.uk\\sports?
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