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post #31 of 3746
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I've updated the post at the top of this thread, I'll try to update it from time to time.

Dan K
post #32 of 3746
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Originally Posted by dkelly View Post

...There is no sound in PIP mode, so I dont think you'll have much fun watching tv in PIP when computing unless you really don't need sound (bloombergs?)...

While most PIP modes don't generate audio on-board while the main screen is using the speakers (unless like the Westinghouse, there is a menu selection to allow switching the audio source between Main & Sub), there is usually an audio out that will permit running the PIP audio to another set of speakers (or amp).

Does this set have "any" audio out for the PIP or an ability to menu select so both the main image and the PIP can have audio (like the Westinghouse does). I REALLY hope this is the case or it may be a deal breaker for me. I plan on having the main area for computing and the PIP for TV using the audio on low in the background.

Also, is it a fact that the screen goes to BLUE without a signal and not into a sleep mode? Even my Westinghouse first shows a DARK (black) screen with a "No Signal Detected" icon for a few seconds (perhaps 15-30) before going into an energy saving sleep mode.

Thanks for the added feedback...
post #33 of 3746
Wow, Dkelly, this set sounds like it might be great. Glad you're enjoying it.

Can you tell me if it does have audio outputs and if they are variable (controllable with the remote).

Thanks!

Enjoy!!
post #34 of 3746
maybe I should sell my HDTV wonder on ebay now....
post #35 of 3746
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Originally Posted by Ditch (Markus) View Post

While most PIP modes don't generate audio on-board while the main screen is using the speakers (unless like the Westinghouse, there is a menu selection to allow switching the audio source between Main & Sub), there is usually an audio out that will permit running the PIP audio to another set of speakers (or amp).

Does this set have "any" audio out for the PIP or an ability to menu select so both the main image and the PIP can have audio (like the Westinghouse does). I REALLY hope this is the case or it may be a deal breaker for me. I plan on having the main area for computing and the PIP for TV using the audio on low in the background.

Also, is it a fact that the screen goes to BLUE without a signal and not into a sleep mode? Even my Westinghouse first shows a DARK (black) screen with a "No Signal Detected" icon for a few seconds (perhaps 15-30) before going into an energy saving sleep mode.

Thanks for the added feedback...

Actually, you're right. there is a button on the remote labled PIP Audio, you press it and it toggles between main audio, and PIP audio. When in DVI mode on main picture, you can surf channels in the PIP as well The pip aspect ratio is fixed at 16:9 with no apparent way to change it, and it appears that all sources are stretched to fill the PIP window. The size of the pip window can be toggled between 1/4 screen size, and 1/16 screen size with another size in between. There is no accurate positional control available for it, you can put it in one of the 4 corners but not move it around. There is also a swap button on the remote to swap pip<->main, and the sound follows the swap.

I dont think this thing ever goes from bright blue to power save... I waited around 5 minutes and it was still bright blue.

Dan K
post #36 of 3746
Could you please measure its size without the speakers.
My ent. center have 37" openning and I hope that by some miracle I could fit in it without speaker...

Thanks for spending the time with us.
post #37 of 3746
Oh, and another question Dan.

I've noticed that with 32" Sharp which my friend own. If you turn monitor without turning PC and than turn monitor back on, there is no way to see the picture from PC thru DVI. The only way is to shutdown PC and start it back up. It's quite annoying.
Could you please confirm there is no such thing with Sceptre?

Thanks
post #38 of 3746
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Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post

Wow, Dkelly, this set sounds like it might be great. Glad you're enjoying it.

Can you tell me if it does have audio outputs and if they are variable (controllable with the remote).

Thanks!

Enjoy!!

It has a mini stereo jack (on the back with the rest of the jacks) labeled "headphone out" that is in fact controllable by the volume control, it also mutes the built in speakers when you plug them in. The unit also has RCA line outs that I would assume aren't controlled by the volume control but I have no way to easily test.
post #39 of 3746
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Originally Posted by Shev View Post

Could you please measure its size without the speakers.
My ent. center have 37" openning and I hope that by some miracle I could fit in it without speaker...

Thanks for spending the time with us.

37 1/4" by my tape measure.

No prob for posting this review, I've lurked/leached for 3 years now on here, about time I gave something back.

Dan K
post #40 of 3746
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Originally Posted by Shev View Post

Oh, and another question Dan.

I've noticed that with 32" Sharp which my friend own. If you turn monitor without turning PC and than turn monitor back on, there is no way to see the picture from PC thru DVI. The only way is to shutdown PC and start it back up. It's quite annoying.
Could you please confirm there is no such thing with Sceptre?

Thanks

Had TV and PC both on in DVI, turned off tv, waited 5 seconds, turned on TV, picture came back as expected.

I'd assume the problem might be with your friends video card. Also if you turn on the PC while the tv is off, I think it might not autodetect the tv correctly. I've had a ton of DVI equipment, and this is often the case, especially the first time you connect a particular tv to a particular pc. Again I think this more has to do with the PC's Video card, than the TV.

Dan K
post #41 of 3746
Thanks for the great review, Dan. I think your opinion can help people make up their mind. I am now fighting with my wife to get her permission. You know, women always have a negative reaction to the purchase of big-ticket electronics.
Could you please comment the gaming performance? I read its response time as 8ms, which should be better than Westinghouse LCD TV that has 12ms. Your X800XL should be able to play some games(of course not those killer games such as Battlefield 2, or Doom 3) under native 1920X1080 resolution. How is that? In addition, for some games like Half Life2, could you try to use a 16:9 or 4: 3 resolution like 1280X720 for 16:9 or 1024X768 for 4:3 to test its scale quality? Also, is there a way you can determine if this TV scales up all stuff to its 1080p native resolution? How about its scale capability of DVD playing(480P) from PC?
So many questions here. Thanks in advance.
post #42 of 3746
Just to make sure, you are displaying 1080p off of your video card?
And can you run this dead pixel tester every couple of days to see if some/how many pixels burn out, because for the first 3 weeks what ever will happen with an lcd display will happen within that period.
And congrats on your purchase.

Dead Pixel Buddy

And for stuck pixels.
Nokia monitor test
post #43 of 3746
Thanks for all the great information Dan - and thanks for costing me $1700 - seems like I have to get one now
post #44 of 3746
Dude, awesome review. I'm cracking up at the pic of your setup....are you really sitting with your nose 6" from the screen? IMMERSION VIDEO. I'd get dizzy....
post #45 of 3746
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Originally Posted by Ditch (Markus) View Post

While most PIP modes don't generate audio on-board while the main screen is using the speakers (unless like the Westinghouse, there is a menu selection to allow switching the audio source between Main & Sub), there is usually an audio out that will permit running the PIP audio to another set of speakers (or amp).

Does this set have "any" audio out for the PIP or an ability to menu select so both the main image and the PIP can have audio (like the Westinghouse does). I REALLY hope this is the case or it may be a deal breaker for me. I plan on having the main area for computing and the PIP for TV using the audio on low in the background.

Also, is it a fact that the screen goes to BLUE without a signal and not into a sleep mode? Even my Westinghouse first shows a DARK (black) screen with a "No Signal Detected" icon for a few seconds (perhaps 15-30) before going into an energy saving sleep mode.

Thanks for the added feedback...

Ditch,
Since you own the Westinghouse when you get your Sceptre, It would be nice to hear about how you think it compares to the Westinghouse in every respect.
post #46 of 3746
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Originally Posted by arthurking View Post

Thanks for the great review, Dan. I think your opinion can help people make up their mind. I am now fighting with my wife to get her permission. You know, women always have a negative reaction to the purchase of big-ticket electronics.
Could you please comment the gaming performance? I read its response time as 8ms, which should be better than Westinghouse LCD TV that has 12ms. Your X800XL should be able to play some games(of course not those killer games such as Battlefield 2, or Doom 3) under native 1920X1080 resolution. How is that? In addition, for some games like Half Life2, could you try to use a 16:9 or 4: 3 resolution like 1280X720 for 16:9 or 1024X768 for 4:3 to test its scale quality? Also, is there a way you can determine if this TV scales up all stuff to its 1080p native resolution? How about its scale capability of DVD playing(480P) from PC?
So many questions here. Thanks in advance.

Well herm I told the wife if we got this thing in the bedroom then I could take out my computer... (she jumped on that one) little did she know that It still needs a computer to run Now I've got what used to be my server running it on an ATI 7500.

Unfortunately I've already got the other PC in the livingroom (LOL) so I cant test any PC games... I'll hook the xbox up in a second though.

It looks to me like everything is upscaled to 1080p, but then again, that's the panels native resolution so it has to right? I really dont know how to tell for sure what it's doing in that arena. I'll test the DVD from the xbox at 480p in a while and post back.

Dan K
post #47 of 3746
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Originally Posted by arthurking View Post

Thanks for the great review, Dan. I think your opinion can help people make up their mind. I am now fighting with my wife to get her permission. You know, women always have a negative reaction to the purchase of big-ticket electronics.
Could you please comment the gaming performance? I read its response time as 8ms, which should be better than Westinghouse LCD TV that has 12ms. Your X800XL should be able to play some games(of course not those killer games such as Battlefield 2, or Doom 3) under native 1920X1080 resolution. How is that? In addition, for some games like Half Life2, could you try to use a 16:9 or 4: 3 resolution like 1280X720 for 16:9 or 1024X768 for 4:3 to test its scale quality? Also, is there a way you can determine if this TV scales up all stuff to its 1080p native resolution? How about its scale capability of DVD playing(480P) from PC?
So many questions here. Thanks in advance.

His X800XL will be able to do 1920x1080 just fine on Battlefield 2 and Half Life 2 as my X800pro handles it without issue on my Westy, And as long as the response time is stated correctly that should not be an issue either as I notice no ghosting at all in my games on the Westy.
post #48 of 3746
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Originally Posted by dkelly View Post

Just with the DVI/HDMI. It works perfect, 1:1 pixel map, also cleartype font smoothing looks great (perfect).

Dan K

AWESOME! Thanks for the review, I am glad to see that the panel supports 1920x1080 on the HDMI/DVI input that is awesome news. I am glad I ditched my Westy order and went with the Sceptre.....now if only costco would ship mine out already! I figure I will have a pretty long wait as I did not order until the 21st. Enjoy the new TV.

DMFN
post #49 of 3746
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Originally Posted by ctrl_alt_delete View Post

Just to make sure, you are displaying 1080p off of your video card?
And can you run this dead pixel tester every couple of days to see if some/how many pixels burn out, because for the first 3 weeks what ever will happen with an lcd display will happen within that period.
And congrats on your purchase.

Dead Pixel Buddy

And for stuck pixels.
Nokia monitor test

It's definitely running 1080p. I actually do have the ATI driver installed and when I checked it says 1920x1080 just like it was a regular display... there are no interlaced modes available with this driver. Also the display shows a max refresh of 75hz, and when I set that refresh, it syncs perfectly.

I ran the dead pixel tester and am now certain there is just one blue subpixel stuck in the off position. Not bad

Ran the Nokia monitor utilities and I have to say the display was flawless... even the contrast / brightness squares were perfect right out of the box.

Dan K
post #50 of 3746
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Originally Posted by viggster View Post

Dude, awesome review. I'm cracking up at the pic of your setup....are you really sitting with your nose 6" from the screen? IMMERSION VIDEO. I'd get dizzy....

Hahaha, no I got rid of the other 3 monitors and PC, I had to wait till this came in to get rid of my 24" pc display that I was using for nighttime TV. It's just this one on the desk now, and with the speakers attached takes up the whole desk, Im sitting about 25" from the screen Still might have a little neck ache from head turning

Dan K
post #51 of 3746
Begging the pardon of all if this is a naive question but:

Can an upscaling DVD player (like a Bravo or Oppo) output to the native 1920X1024 resolution of the Sceptre through the DVI/HDMI input?

TIA,
post #52 of 3746
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Originally Posted by dkelly View Post

It's definately running 1080p, the card i have it on now (ati 7500 with ms driver) doesnt even support interlaced.

I ran the dead pixel tester and am now certain there is just one blue subpixel stuck in the off position. Not bad

Ran the Nokia monitor utilities and I have to say the display was flawless... even the contrast / brightness squares were perfect right out of the box.

Dan K

Nice. Thanks
post #53 of 3746
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Originally Posted by dkelly View Post

It has a mini stereo jack (on the back with the rest of the jacks) labeled "headphone out" that is in fact controllable by the volume control, it also mutes the built in speakers when you plug them in. The unit also has RCA line outs that I would assume aren't controlled by the volume control but I have no way to easily test.

Thanks. On my 26" Maxent there is a setting in the Sound Menu that allows one to make the audio outputs Fixed or Variable. A very handy thing for a bedroom LCD TV as I don't want to add more electronic gear than the TV (and a subwoofer - the subwoofer output is variable of course).
The sub really makes the sound quite good from this little TV. Now the Sceptre would do very nicely to take over for the Maxent which would do quite well in the Living room.
If you ever find out if the audio outputs are able to be fixed or variable please let me know. I have WAF to work on.
post #54 of 3746
Thanks for the information. I have xbox and ps2. I'd like to see your update on xbox gaming quality on this TV. I currently have a Toshiba 30HF84 and its scale capability is terrible. Only 720P or 1080i stuff look decent. Anything lower than that (480i or 480P) looks terrible esp. PS2 games, which are full of jaggy lines.


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Originally Posted by dkelly View Post

Well herm I told the wife if we got this thing in the bedroom then I could take out my computer... (she jumped on that one) little did she know that It still needs a computer to run Now I've got what used to be my server running it on an ATI 7500.

Unfortunately I've already got the other PC in the livingroom (LOL) so I cant test any PC games... I'll hook the xbox up in a second though.

It looks to me like everything is upscaled to 1080p, but then again, that's the panels native resolution so it has to right? I really dont know how to tell for sure what it's doing in that arena. I'll test the DVD from the xbox at 480p in a while and post back.

Dan K
post #55 of 3746
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Originally Posted by nascar24 View Post

Ditch,
Since you own the Westinghouse when you get your Sceptre, It would be nice to hear about how you think it compares to the Westinghouse in every respect.


Happy to do what I what I can on that count mate!

From what I'm seeing already, PIP is going to be better on the Westy as you can have both PIP and Main screen using audio, the PIP picture can be moved to any spot on the screen. Also, the Westy does recognize sleep mode and goes into a standby mode, has PIP (picture in picture), POP (picture on picture) and PBP (picture by picture). One other upside to the Westy is that you can select the input source via the remote directly and it's menu system is pretty nicely designed and appealing to use.

As for other points, can't really say until more info is available and/or mine arrives (next week).

It seems as if both have the up sides and down. The Sceptre has tuners (Westy is a monitor only), and the Sceptre has HDMI (Westy has 2 DIVI ports of which one is fully 1080p compliant).

I'll post more as info becomes available...

Keep the good info coming!

Cheers
post #56 of 3746
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Originally Posted by Ditch (Markus) View Post

Happy to do what I what I can on that count mate!

From what I'm seeing already, PIP is going to be better on the Westy as you can have both PIP and Main screen using audio, the PIP picture can be moved to any spot on the screen. Also, the Westy does recognize sleep mode and goes into a standby mode, has PIP (picture in picture), POP (picture on picture) and PBP (picture by picture). One other upside to the Westy is that you can select the input source via the remote directly and it's menu system is pretty nicely designed and appealing to use.

As for other points, can't really say until more info is available and/or mine arrives (next week).

It seems as if both have the up sides and down. The Sceptre has tuners (Westy is a monitor only), and the Sceptre has HDMI (Westy has 2 DIVI ports of which one is fully 1080p compliant).

I'll post more as info becomes available...

Keep the good info coming!

Cheers


The 2 DVI ports in my eyes are a huge plus as I am allready using both of them on the Westy, One for my PC and the other for my Sony HDD500 HD recorder. I will look forward to your comments on the merits of both as it seems there is allways a zealous feel to the early reviews since it is just new and out of the box. Will be a few weeks before we know how well everything preforms with the Sceptre as everyone has a different eye for what they think is good or not.
post #57 of 3746
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Hi,

I've found something that seems kinda disturbing... let me say that I don't know much about HDTV, so please wait until someone else confirms this;

When you select DTV mode, it always shows 720p as the resolution.

This is even when you have a 1080i source or a 480i source.

Please see attached pictures of the same channel. EPG shows the channel as 1080i, but the TV says 720p... I couldn't get it to say anything else but 720p. I don't know if this means that the tuner is converting all incoming DTV to 720p, and then sending to the TV? or what? Maybe they used a cheap 720p tuner? I must say that I don't have much experience with HDTV to be able to tell by looking at the picture, and dont even think there is any real 1080i native content available locally. But if I was going to buy this tv to watch HDTV I'd wait until someone confirms what this TV is doing.

Then again this could all be user error, perhaps there is some control I can't find to change the conversion res... I don't know.

Dan K
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post #58 of 3746
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Originally Posted by dkelly View Post

Hi,

I've found something that seems kinda disturbing... let me say that I don't know much about HDTV, so please wait until someone else confirms this;

When you select DTV mode, it always shows 720p as the resolution.

This is even when you have a 1080i source or a 480i source.

Please see attached pictures of the same channel. EPG shows the channel as 1080i, but the TV says 720p... I couldn't get it to say anything else but 720p. I don't know if this means that the tuner is converting all incoming DTV to 720p, and then sending to the TV? or what? Maybe they used a cheap 720p tuner? I must say that I don't have much experience with HDTV to be able to tell by looking at the picture, and dont even think there is any real 1080i native content available locally. But if I was going to buy this tv to watch HDTV I'd wait until someone confirms what this TV is doing.

Then again this could all be user error, perhaps there is some control I can't find to change the conversion res... I don't know.

Dan K

Well I have 2 HD tuner boxes and the res can be set manually by either a switch on the box itself or a menu item on my other HD box. If anything If this is the case there should be a menu selection for such things, If there is not then this would be a kind of big issue. Not that 720p is bad, As it is not and there are some that think it is better than 1080i and vice versa but I sure would want to have the option to pick between the 2. As a matter of fact my Sony auto switches to what ever is brodcasting but my samsung is a hard switched to set it at 480p/720p/1080i.
post #59 of 3746
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Originally Posted by dkelly View Post

Done. Attached are pics of the back of the unit.

It looks like you could flush mount this baby directly to the wall, and still be able to connect/disconnect cables while it's mounted (Provided you have a small hand or can borrow one).

Dan K

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Originally Posted by dkelly View Post

It has mounting holes, looks like the screw holes are about same size as vesa monitor mounting screws, but the spacing is much larger... I dont have a metric ruler handy but the spacing between the holes is 17.5" horizontal and 8" vertical.
Dan K

Dan,

Thanks for all of your time in answering our questions.

I am concerned though by the pictures and your measured hole spacing re: VESA mounting.

The 17.5" x 8" sounds unusual and is unlikely to fit most VESA mounting brackets out-of-the-box (adapter may be required). The stand mounting screws though, do appear to be standard VESA 100x200 - but, their position, indented from the back plane of the monitor, again, makes it look like most brackets would not fit. This is really perplexing as I can't see how it would be readily mounted on a standard VESA wall mount, yet I can't believe that Sceptre would require the need for special adapting plates.

(disheartening since I just ordered, after *much* research, what I thought to be the perfect mount for the Sceptre 30" and just-in-case for the Sceptre 37" - the Peerless ST640)
post #60 of 3746
Dan, in all likelyhood you are just feeding the panel with 720P signal. I have yet to hear of a tuner that has a built-in scaler, and ther is no logic in having that. So, I think the theory that Sceptre's HD tuner is scaling HD signals to 720p is a little off. I would rather suspect your source equipment showing incorrect signal resolution. And aside from a couple of cable HD channels I believe most OTA HD programming if not all is 720p, so that's what your Sceptre is showing.
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