Sceptre X37SV-Naga review - Page 117

I just got one of these from NewEgg 5 days ago and am having the exact same issue that Jgigs described back on June 18th (tearing issue for the wallpaper after monitor warms up for ~20 minutes). Here's my Firmware version:
DEBUG 0117A D2
06/06/19 17:45
T370HW01
1920 X 1080

One more thing I notice, if you want to make the problem come back or get worse, cycle through the AV back to PC-DVI, but wait long enough to display the desktop on HDMI and HDCP before ending up on DVI. If you don't wait on HDMI and HDCP, the problem goes away.

If anyone has similar issues or a fix, please post. Thanks.

By the way, the MEMORY TIMING adjustment doesn't fix this, just as Jgigs reports.

Smidgerine,

I have the 42" with an ATI Card and drivers and I set the resolution to 1920 x 1200 and it looks and fits great. I had to disable the EDID in Catalyst Control Center to do it though. Plus I am using VGA - VGA connections. I am not sure if it would work for you. The thing that stinks, is if it's too high an input resolution, I had to boot up in Safe Mode and go back to a lower res til I found the one that worked.

I just happened to be browsing here cause I love my 42" and saved enough compared to comparable sets that I might get my kids each one of these.

I think I figured out the problem. The computer graphics card timing parameters have to be just right, or the tearing will occur after ~20 minutes. Speficially:
Right-Click on Desktop->Properties->Settings->Advanced->GeForce 6200->Screen Resolutions & Refresh Rates->Advanced Timing->Mode & timing->861B (1920 x 1080 @ 59.94) -P
See screenshots below for details.
http://mysite.verizon.net/davegish/e...es/timing1.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/davegish/e...es/timing2.jpg
This appears to set the front & back porch values, sync width & polarity, and refresh rate to 1080p HDTV values. I noticed that the porch/sync values were very different before I did this, even though the resoultion and refresh were identical.

Anyway, I haven't been able to reproduce the tearing problem since I modified these settings. I hope this fixes it - fingers crossed...

My x37sv arrived Friday as planned. I hooked it up to my laptop, just to test it out, and all looks great. I had to leave for the weekend, so did not get a lot of time to play with it, but so far no problems. It is in the greatroom above the fireplace, hooked to a dish receiver putting out 1080i on the DVI port to the DVI in on the HDMI port, and looks great. All the menu items appear to do exactly as they are supposed to. I ended up taking the lamp setting up, and brought the brightness level down a bit to get the best blacks/contrast. I will throw my DVE disc in one of these days and get it set up a little better.

The one complaint I would have about the whole of it at this point, the remote range seems to be short, even with new batteries. Hardly an issue as that remote probably won't see much use in the future.

Many thanks, this was a sore point on the purchase, but the mod works like a charm. As a side note I don't use the AV output, so I lifted the corresponding pin from the motherboard and soldered a 0.5 M cable from the S/PDIF connecter to the (now floating) AV RCA output (output to output, ground to ground). It is working fine with no apparent coupling into the other AV sections that share the RCA motherboard from the digital signal.

The benefit of course is that the outside of the case looks clean this way...

B.B.

Is anyone using this TV with a 360 in 1080p? If so are you getting overscan? I seem to be getting quite a bit of horizontal overscan (almost 0 verticall). Anyone have any idea on how to fix this?

Update:

Just tested running my PC through VGA on the Sceptre. No overscan at 1920x1080. Hmmm...

Hello,

I just bought this TV and I've got my xbox 360 hooked up to it via the normal component connectors. I downloaded the update from xbox live and switched it over to 1080p mode in the display options but when I do that the picture only uses about 2/3 of the screen and it's all messed up, like vibrating or something.

Anyone know how to get 1080p working correctly?

I'm currently on 1080i and I notice when I spin around in perfect dark zero I can see the guns blurring a bit and I think it's because of the 1080i, or does this tv normally ghost like that?

Yep, I get the same thing when I try to do 1080p thruogh component on my PS3 (My 360 is hooked up through VGA and 1080p works, but nothing lines up the same, so ify ou want to size it for movies to fit then games FMVs will be a bit off, etc., like someone else said "overscan")
Anyway I just hooked up my PS3 through HDMI and set it to 1080p, and there are little red and blue dots flickering all over the place, around peoples faces, in black areas, etc., anyone else getting this or have a solution?
I had this a lot when I first got the TV but went to some debug menu foudn on this thread and it fixed it, maybe i need to just go back on there.

I have the same 2/3 screen at 1080p with component output, as mentioned previously.

Also, I get no HDMI picture at all. I've tried the 5-second autoconfig, rebooted with various components and inputs selected, and nothing.

I have the most recent PS3 firmware (1.1).

Any suggestions on either problem will be much appreciated.

Actually I was using component when I posted that but got a DVI adapter since, was having a differnt problem, and thanks to your post tried the DVI setting (I had no idea that would work) and it works perfectly! THANKS!

Schtoom - Did you hook it up through component first and then turn HDMI on already? At first it doesn't send anything through HDMI, you have to go through the menus and turn it on.

Sure did. I also cycled through HDMI, HDCP, and DVI... nuthin.

Problem fixed!

Ok, so 1080p through component is not supported by the Naga... that's that.

I've used DVI Detective to record the EDID of a sony XBR3 at Fry's thinking that my tv's EDID is wank. Using XBR3 EDID and 2 DVI-HDMI cables, the tv finally acknowledged the existance of a signal... BUT the screen is completely black and the tv is displaying in 480p. Have tried cycling inuputs on tv, reboot, etc etc. black screen. great.

For those of you who have working HDMI AND also have the component/composite hooked up, when you switch the tv to component/composite while HDMI is active, do you still get a signal? That is, does the PS3 output both component and HDMI simultaneously? It seems that the component connection on mine is on and active while the TV also sees the HDMI black screen signal.

Any ideas on any of this from anyone?

Thanks.

I want to input component video through the vga port. It says in the manual that you can do this with an optional cable. is this this the cable I need?
Thanks,
Jim

Yea, I can confirm 1080p is not supported via Component.

Update on 360 1080p VGA situation: if you set the "clock" to 15 or so, the entire screen will fit. But sometimes the naga will "forget" the setting and you'll have to redo it.

Yes, that is the same kind of cable I am using. Works great.

What does mean, set the "clock"?

Does anyone have any comments about the heavy ghosting I am experiencing? This is supposed to be an 8ms panel correct? I have an 8ms monitor and it never ghosts at all, not a bit that I can notice.

But when playing xbox 360 on my Naga I can easily tell the ghosting. In perfect dark zero just spinning around at a moderate speed the background blurs heavily and the end of the gun blurs very noticably.

I've had my Sceptre X37sv-Naga for almost a year with no complaints until now. Last week, I purchased a Helios H4000 upscaling DVD player and in 1080p mode only the left half of my screen is used when connected through HDMI. If I connect with the component video cables (this set will output 1080P through component cables) about 3/4 of the screen is used but the picture has a lot of ghosting. Any ideas on how this problem can be fixed?

All of the other modes work fine (480p, 720p, 1080i) with either HDMI or component input. I have a XFX G-Force 6200 video card in my computer which outputs 1080p to the TV through the DVI-HDMI cable. This works fine, but the upscaling is not very good. I was tired of turning on my computer just to watch DVDs so I thought I would try this DVD player.

There's a clock setting under main menu--->geometry---->clock. "Clock" in this case is short for clock frequency, not a clock used to indicate time.


Many of the newer games uses blur effects to simulate a more realistic experience. I don't think you're seeing anything that wasn't supposed to be there. GeOW uses the same technique.

There's a clock setting under main menu--->geometry---->clock. "Clock" in this case is short for clock frequency, not a clock used to indicate time.


Many of the newer games uses blur effects to simulate a more realistic experience. I don't think you're seeing anything that wasn't supposed to be there. GeOW uses the same technique.

ha ha I emailed their tech support this is what I got from them on 11/23/06

Dear Customer,

The 37" NAGA does not support 1080P over component connection. The connections that support 1080P are HDMI/DVI and VGA. We are aware that more and more manufacturers are beginning to use component as a 1080P source. A new firmware is in the works for 42" and 37" NAGA to support component 1080P, however it has not been finished yet. Please check back with us in about 5-6 weeks. The firmware should be finished by then. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Best Regards,
Sceptre Technical Support Group

Seems like everybody with a has the same problem like I've had. Anyways I asked about that too, 'cuz my friend brought his ps3 over to my house for my 37" sceptre, I emailed Sceptre about that problem but so far they didn't reply to me yet, it's been 4 days.

I did get temp solve this probelm though, it seems DVI for the 37" accepts the same signals and does not have those blue/red pixels. However you do lose sound since it's not HDMI........but I have a HK AVR 135 receiver so I did optical out to my receiver instead. So if you have a surround sound receiver, kudos, but if you don't, maybe try the RCA red/white? I think DVI also accepts audio through the green jack off the back of the sceptre........

should ask them if they'll send you the firmware with usb flash instructions. that would suck if we had to send in our tvs. Ahhh... so many problems with this 1080p accepting 1080p, except of course for PC. I'm pondering taking my tv back because of this one and lots of other issues. FYI to all else, another price drop at the big C.

I just fired another email to them. I"ll post the reply when I get it, although their tech support is really flakey, sometimes I get a response right away, sometimes I don't get any at all.

you'd think they'd be a lot more accommodating seeing as how we all (for the most part) have a pretty forgiving return policy. I'd very much like a firmware update, because after doing some research on 3 more tvs (jvc, sharp, and hitachi); they all appear to have their own issues (price, banding, and flicker). There seems to be a lot of confusion (at least to me) what this LCD can and cannot display properly at 1080p. I can't test because I only have pc via DVI but it works beautifully. I WOULD like to know about any problems down the road however.

1. So far I think it's 1080p ok for xbox 360 via VGA for some but overscan for others, but bad all together @ 1080p over component.
Note: I wonder whether there's even a difference leaving it at 1080i and letting the tv upscale. Any quality difference whatsoever?

2. 1080p via HDMI bad for PS3.Causes blue/red pixels. Fix is to run PS3 in DVI mode (thus requiring another cable to purchase).

3. Helios DVD player doesn't work @ 1080p with either component or HDMI.

Sceptre states 1080p isn't supported over component connection.

I don't know if any of you have experienced this but I occasionally get green dots all over the place on QAM tuner. Requires turning off, and back on.

Anything else I'm missing?

I think I remember some mention of newer panels coming from a different OEM (chi mei?) causing some new PQ issues in general. I think these tvs had a different colored off light (other than red) Any update on that?

I have an issue with my sceptre x37sv-naga and PS3. Searched throgh the avs forums, but couldn't find anything similar. Maybe someone could assist me with this problem:

As perhaps most of u already know the TV will display blue/red dots on 1080p when connected with HDMI/HDMI cable and set on HDMI or HDCP mode. Of course the solution is to switch the TV to DVI mode and all problems should be gone. However, for some reason I cannot get it work on DVI mode either. All I am getting is black screen with the message in the corner: M: DVI NO SIGNAL...after waiting few mins it just becomes "no signal".

I am already outa ideas..tried switching back and forth, connecting and disconnecting, also tested the HDMI port by connecting my PC and it works fine in all three modes (HDMI/HDCP/DVI). Also tested all possible resolutions by changing them in PS3 menu.

If anyone have any ideas and suggestions please post 'em. Life without 1080p is not fun

That's a bummer. Wish I could be of some help.
Things I would ponder are:
1. Are there any updates to the PS3 that may resolve this?
2. Is it happening to other TVs? I don't believe Sceptre is exclusive in this issue.
3. Are there any others playing in 1080p via DVI (because I could be wrong; it could be 1080i)
4. Lastly, try contacting both Sony tech support and Sceptre tech support.

Don't forget to report back if you can! I'm definitely interested in this debacle as I may want to purchase a PS3 and/or Xbox 360 in the future and all these HDMI issues are really concerning me. Are any of the new HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players even implementing 'image constraint token' yet? I'm skeptical that this TV will even handle HDCP correctly when the time comes.