HT or is it???? - Page 9  

:rolleyes: :D

Redhouse

This should prove a point to Allen, see many times when someone post a idea or a room that is not a Home Theater, some forum member will fill them in on their room not being a Home Theater.

As far as constructive assistance goes, by telling someone what is and is not a Home Theater, will help them decide what kind of room they have, want or need. Helping forum members give the right advice, if your building a open media room, your acoustics and such will be differnt then if your building a closed Home Theater room.

Redhouse

Anthony,
Thanks for posting the Encyclopedia defintion, it supports the position that AllenS, myself and others have been saying. Out of all the detailed description of a home theater, the only thing you found that you think supports your case is "Comfortable seating and organization to improve the cinema feel.", so recliners in front of a TV qualify. Also Bravo on your command of different font sizes you proven to us in many threads that you know how to change thefont size.

Pat

Only a couple of angles, unbiased definitions and real world similar case examples that support our case. Meanwhile your camp's approach has generated such gems as "I don't give rat's ass what Webster says"

I don't give a rats a$$, did you even bother to take a look at the few of my post that tell you about the history of Home Theater?

I gave you the facts and you keep passing your opinion. Who defines what Home Theater is, the guys who created it and it's history or Websters?

Redhouse

Redhouse, You have not given the facts, you have given your opinion and the opinions of others. I am more interested in the current accepted definition of the term as opposed to what it meant 25 years ago. If we were to stick with the original definition and say that it cannot change, we would probably all have to have Betamax machines to qualify. pat

No, I gave you the facts not opinion's!
I showed you that the guy who is the father of Home Theater started out with Home Theater being, a Theater in a home and still does it this way today. He calls a Home Theater what it is, a Theater in your home and calls a family room setup, a Media Room. Does still this apply today?

Yes, CEDIA set's the standards and give awards to the best Home Theater in different price ranges and Media Rooms. The funny thing is they agree with Theo and us.

This is 2004's, 2005 is not done yet.

Best Media room which is a family room.Media Room

Best Home Theater under $80.000
Home Theater

If you notice it's the room that makes the difference, not the equipment.

You need more facts?

Redhouse

Probably the double-wall flue pipe inside the chimney soffit. Or it could be the fireplace itself. They're made out of galvanized tin faced with firebrick.

Living rooms as HTs are more difficult than dedicated rooms to achieve a movie-like experience, but it's possible. Light control, bad acoustics (including reflectivity). These have to be dealt with. Just putting the gear in the room and tweaking it (even EQ) is not enough. Have you treated the first reflection points? Measured the decay time?

Putting up shades for light control and absorptive panels is making a living room into a home theater (or home cinema).

Methinks thou dost protest too much.


If whether or not you have a HT is in question, you don't.

If whether or not you have a HT is never in question, you do.

If you bring 100 people into my HT and ask them if it's a HT, 100% of them will say yes.

If you bring 100 people into your living room and ask them it it's a HT, even if 75% of them say yes (which is highly doubtful), it's not.


It's that simple.


Stew

Stew,
Kudos on the fact that you have a HT that all will agree is an HT, I'm happy for you, does it have the all important 6" cement step like Craig?

I could really care less what anyone calls my movie watching space. My main involvement in this thread stemmed from an arrogant argument provoking troll-like response made by someone (Redhouse) regarding someones set up with the only purpose being to start sh!t. FYI, my home theater-like space is not in my living room or family room, it is in the basement.

Pat

Sooo, you think that drapes covering your windows are sufficient!?
Having proper room acoustics requires much more than just having some curtains on the walls where your windows are. I would highly doubt that your drapes are even in the proper locations. You have more room reflection in your living room than you think you do. I would guess your walls are not bare. You probably have some pictures on the walls. Curtains and furniture are simply not enough.

As you have noticed from experience… vibrations are another problem. Here is an example of why expensive gear is more often than not pure overkill for a living room surround setup. We have lived in our new home for almost four years now. During most of this time I have been using my original/first surround set-up.
Well, naturally as gear started coming in for my HT I had to test it out. When my SVS PB12-Ultra/2 arrived, I wanted to hear the improvements. No doubt, it blew my poor little 150 watt CV sub away all right, but I, like allens, found a room full of rattles that I never had with my in-expensive gear. Now I have been able to tame most of them, but I still have two that rear their ugly heads during bass heavy scenes that I can’t seem to control. The rattles take the feel out of any HT experience you could possibly think of having. What I am leading to is this… what is the point of having all that expensive gear if one is just going to slap it into a room like that.
I would like to see a picture of your room allen. ;)

That’s a special thought.





Sorry allen. I do in fact own a CV sub. In fact, I still own the BIC speakers listed on my equipment list as well. My equipment list has not been properly updated. That’s what happens when you work two jobs, and try to finish your basement at the same time. There is not enough time in the day to do everything. I have no shame. They were my first speakers. They are decent sounding speakers for what they are used for. I use them for my LIVING ROOM SURROUND SYSTEM. ;) When my theater is complete, those poor little BIC’s will go right back to their old spots in my LIVING ROOM SURROUND SETTUP.


;)

Me thinks that if allen spent as much time researching as he does posting in this thread…. since he is new around here, perhaps he to would better understand there is more to a HT than a surround system and some movie memorabilia.

Hey… it was you guys who had been stumped and chose to change the stance of your argument again for the umpteenth time.
You were all spinning on your eyebrows trying to say that hey, unless your room had been designed into the home from the first day of construction, it would not be a HT. I could almost visualize you guys throwing a little temper tantrum on the floor saying if I can’t have a HT than neither can they! Hahahaha. I was merely pointing out that I had been putting loads of research into my room long before the first walls were ever poured for my home. Since you could not come up with an adequate rebuttal, you choose to start (like we see in the world of politics) slinging insults about the step in my room.

Sooo I see you don't call your room a HT.
We're starting to get some where now. :D

Craig

Craig,

It is obvious that sarcasm is lost on you. The thought that someone could not call their HT an HT unless it was originally labeled that on the blueprints is ludicrous and does not support our position at all, hence the sarcasm. Regarding your step I just thought it was humorous the importance you put on it. Regarding my home theater-like space, again that was sarcasm.

Let's just agree that we disagree and let this thing die. Cheers

Pat

Come on Pat, I'm waiting to see if you need more facts.

Redhouse

Hey allen… while you are doing that fly by… :rolleyes: perhaps you could post some pictures of your theater. ;)
You have been doing a lot of posting on this thread added with a lot of critique.
Like I asked you in the earlier post.
Let’s see your set-up. Unfortunately you just did a fly by of that one to. ;)
I want to see, pics of your gear. Pics of the room it is in.
After all… I have some pretty high expectations having read what you said below. ;)

Craig, we should ask the same of Pat, I would like to see pictures of both of their setup's.

Redhouse

Well, if you are extremely happy with your setup, then show it off!
Post some pictures.

Redhouse

Redhouse, Pats photos are in his gallery. He has a nice set up.


Hey Pat… I was looking at your photo gallery… nice surround set-up. I think I seen your pics in another thread. ;) I bet you will get lots of enjoyment from it.
We have a wood entertainment center much like that for our RPTV in our living room surround set up.
The woodwork is beautiful. Did you build it your self?

Craig

;)

Craig

No one is going to try to give you advice allen.
After all... you have been here since August so I am sure you don't need any advice now. ;)
Lets see some pics of your gear. :)

Craig

Craig, Thanks for the compliment. I did design and build the Ent center, woodworking is another hobby.

Redhouse, Thanks, but I do not need any more facts from you. Your last two posts tell your story pretty well.
You just can't get enough of the confrontation, you need to egg people on.


You need to compare what you have to others or trash what others have to make yourself feel good. This was clear from your first post on the subject back in the speaker forum.

Again, I will propose that we agree to disagree.

AllenS, Good luck if you choose to continue this debate, it's been nice having you as a debate partner, if you're ever in Easton, PA I'll buy you a beer.

Pat

From looking at your pics... you have a truly nice set-up.



Craig

What's wrong Pat?

Last night your posting this.............

I give you the facts with pictures and now you have an attitude. This thread also proves that I'm not the only member who has dropped the "Where's the Theater" line. I have not compared my system to yours or Allen's or the OP in that other thread and I have not said mine is better then yours or anyone else.

So where are you coming from with?
You find me one time in my 800+ post that I have done that.

We have been discussing what is a Home Theater and you two have yet to show facts to support your opinion's or prove us wrong.

Redhouse

Redhouse,
I came to the realization that neither side will ever win this argument because neither side will change their belief, so it is silly to go on. I still believe and stand by all I have said, I just don't see the need to repeat it over and over. Enjoy your HT
Regards,
Pat

But someone demanded pictures of others HT's. I assumed it was for comparison purposes (that's how it came across to me...)

I've been reading all this with amused interest and had another look at your system Redhouse. (Its actually one of my favorites.)

What I'm not clear on, is do you consider your system a Home Theater?

Its a beautiful space and I would love if mine turned out that great but it does seem to violate some people's principles of what makes a home theater. It has a big window or sliding door and a large open space to one side. That seems to be (a) not really that theater-like and (b) less than ideal acoustically.

I know I'll regret writing this and I actually really like the layout of your theater. I wish I had that much width available in my basement...

This thread has gone well, it didn't get closed down and for the most part was light hearted. I don't think Allen got what he wanted by starting this thread.

You know the shame is the people can't share a view on Home Theater like mine with being called names and people thinking I'm trying to start sh!t or put someone down. Which is and was not my intent. I stand by my convictions about what is a Home Theater and you can see by my setup, I'm trying to practice what I preach. Am I there a 100%, no, it will take me years before I really have my dream Home Theater. It will take selling this house and buying one that will give me the perfect space to build a true Reference Home Theater.

The reason I feel the way I do is, because of experience. I have had every kind of setup in many different rooms, always up grading to where it is today. I know first hand what kind of huge difference having a setup in a dedicated room gives you. It gets you as close to being in a Theater as you can get. IMHO having a setup in any other rooms is missing out big time and you will never know that until you experience it.

Redhouse

Well, it appears this thread is on its way to a death.

So to close I am left guessing AllenS has stopped posting because… A.) He simply has finally run out of ammunition in defense of his cause. Or B.) Despite all of his grand standing, when push finally came to shove, he simply did not want to post pics of his room and gear for us to see what he calls a HT.
I personally would say it is probably a little bit of both, but weighing heavily towards B.

Craig :D