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post #721 of 766
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I'm too busy watching movies on mine to crow about it. Still working great though I do need to get it in for the dust fix. Interestingly, I got a couple of minor blobs early on but none since then. LOVE the color, contrast is just fine, at this point it certainly gives every indication of reliability. Continue to be very happy with the combination of the SX50 on low lamp and the moderate gain/contrast enhancement of the Firehawk screen.
post #722 of 766
I had dust blobs on mine too. I sent it away and Canon replaced the 'optical block' and since I got it back - no dust blobs at all! I got used to them when I had them, but it was a real treat to get it back nice and clean. It's like the SDE with my former Canon LV-X1, you get used to the screen door, but it's a thousand times nicer without it.
post #723 of 766
Not sure if this the right thread to post in, but here goes... I've been trying to find posts discussing the Canon Realis X600. It's an XGA with (of course) a lower rez of 1024 x 768. I'm considering this for budget reasons. It's simply a fair bit less $$$ than the X50 or X60. For what it's worth, the ANSI lumens are 3500. I'm just guessing that it would be a good choice in an HT setting, because of it's lack of screen door effect.

Would anyone care to comment on the X600's use as a home theater projector? Has anyone seen it in action? Any replies are certainly appreciated. Thanks.

-Mike
post #724 of 766
I glanced at the 600 at Infocomm. I would pass and get something else. You could see the screen door easier on it than the others. Some 50s have been on the bay recently for cheap, you might want to go that route if price is a concern. You may want to wait for Cedia. The Panny 1080p should be between $2500 and $3500.

Ericglo
post #725 of 766
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Originally Posted by Ericglo View Post

I glanced at the 600 at Infocomm. I would pass and get something else. You could see the screen door easier on it than the others. Some 50s have been on the bay recently for cheap, you might want to go that route if price is a concern. You may want to wait for Cedia. The Panny 1080p should be between $2500 and $3500.
Ericglo

Ericglo -

What you failed to point out is the lumens of the forthcoming Panny 1080p. A used, dust blob free SX50 would be a very good choice too at its 2000 lumen rating. The Panny will have maybe 500 to 1000 lumens? So depending on how big and bright an image you want along with the ambient lighting in the room - these need to be factored into the projector choice. 3500 lumens could actually be too bright unless you have a twelve foot or larger screen.

Icon Master
post #726 of 766
First off, I would like to thank all those who have posted in this thread and shared info and experience. It was this info which helped me to decide to get an SX50. I just got a used one (off eBay about for about 2K) and thought I would share my experience (not that more info is needed at this point....). First off please take my two cents with the grain of salt that this is my first HT projector and I have only seen a few others (Panny AE700 and Hitachi TX100) and I am no videofile. I thought these projectors look good but I don't think I would have been happy with them. Anyway, I hooked my used SX50 to a new oppo and was very impressed with the big (96" 16:9 ) and bright image that felt like a large plasma only smoother. I am a very happy camper with this combo (Return of the Sith looked awesome). I will say, I don't know how folks could use this without creating a light blocking "cutout" to stop the "halo". I don't have a dedicated room and the extra light outside the screen was very noticeable on my light coloured walls. With the cutout in place it looks fantastic.

On the down sides.
1. As others have reported I do have two small dust blobs that I can only see on a all uniform colour screen (and I can't detect it during normal viewing).
2. I have a small (say 20 or so pixels in size) blob in the lower right corner of the screen that shows up as a green when background in that area is white. (maybe a dust blob blocking red and blue?) It is rarely noticeable and would not likely be seen by "regular" guests unless pointed out to them
3. Dark scenes are a little to dark and bright scenes are a little to bright (keep in mind I have done nothing to calibrate this except use low lamp/cinema mode)
I may eventually try and get dust blobs fixed but I expect to have trouble as I don't have a receipt and this unit came from the US and I am in Canada (hmm wonder what Canon's policy on this will be...)

Two questions.
1 I am in the process of building a HTPC and will likely get at videocard that supports HDCP (to play back HD / Blue Ray discs when the players for PC's finally become available) would like to know how to deal with the HDCP issue. I remember reading that there was a black box or something to solve this problem. If anyone could point me in the right direction (or pm me) I would really appreciate it.
2. For those who are using this with the Oppo what settings have you decided on (720p or 1080i), and what if any adjustments have you made to help black levels and CR.

Thanks all
Kris
post #727 of 766
Hi Kris,

To set the white and black levels correctly you will need a test disk like Avia or DVE, but if you have Star Wars A New Hope, you can use the THX Optimode on that disk and that will set them accurately too. Doing that will also help you optomise your contrast and black level.

I intend on doing the same as you regarding HTPC and just add an HD-DVD rom drive to my existing HTPC, but apparently there's a bit more too it than that and we may need to get an HDCP compliant motherboard as that component is also part of the data route, so it might be better to wait a little while before building a killer system for HD DVDs or Blu Ray. In the mean time you could build a simple system for plain DVD playback.

Gary
post #728 of 766
Northern, what you are looking for is called a distribution amp. I asked the same question about a year ago hence the name Blackbox. They"re available online from Digital Connection (part # DD-D12P) and possibly from other places as well. It works fine.
Good Luck.
Blackbox
post #729 of 766
Northern, I don't know how to send you a private message, even though I was able to open yours. Mine works fine with my sx-50, but you better call DC and make sure the specs haven't changed on the box. Good luck
Blkbox
post #730 of 766
need some help... we got our sx50 ceiling mounted with a hdmi cable ran too it.. converted to dvi too the projector...

we were gonna use a reciever that would convert everything to hdmi, thus, we would only have to run a single cable... We were thinking jvc 402/yamaha v1600... however, both of these, and apparently all recievers that do this conversion... don't function properly with non-hdcp devices...

is there any way to feed all our different video inputs through that single hdmi cable... or are we going to have to snake a 30ft component up there... it will be a huge ordeal to snake this cable, so any solutions under 2000 dollars or so, would be appreciated

p.s. we set up the sx50 with just a hd satellite feed... looks pretty good too me, movies are a bit lacking in contrast, but sports look awesome, the brightness IMO makes up for the contrast as you can leave some ambient light on, and it still looks pretty darn good
post #731 of 766
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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

need some help... we got our sx50 ceiling mounted with a hdmi cable ran too it.. converted to dvi too the projector...

we were gonna use a reciever that would convert everything to hdmi, thus, we would only have to run a single cable... We were thinking jvc 402/yamaha v1600... however, both of these, and apparently all recievers that do this conversion... don't function properly with non-hdcp devices...

is there any way to feed all our different video inputs through that single hdmi cable... or are we going to have to snake a 30ft component up there... it will be a huge ordeal to snake this cable, so any solutions under 2000 dollars or so, would be appreciated

p.s. we set up the sx50 with just a hd satellite feed... looks pretty good too me, movies are a bit lacking in contrast, but sports look awesome, the brightness IMO makes up for the contrast as you can leave some ambient light on, and it still looks pretty darn good

Been awhile since I posted here but I am having the same problem. I have component cables run thru a long VGA cable to the projector on the celing. I have been enjoying HD content thru my Zektor componet switch box. Well I puchased a Zektor DVI switch box to get ready for the HD-DVD and Blue Ray HDMI stuff. I already had a HDMI output from my cable box but never tried it until I switched everything over to DVI. I have a long DVI cable DVI-D I beleave (no pins around the flat pin but all the others) running to the projector. I puchased some HDMI to DVI cables and hooked everything up. Well. My cable box will not work. I get a pic for about a second sometimes but it drops. I hooked my standard TV up to it and it had some kind of HDMI error. My HD-DVD player would show the setup menu thru HDMI but when I tried to play anything thru HDMI I would get a HDMI ERROR 1 error. I installed the new firmware update 1.4 and still will not work. So I am stuck with about $5000.00 dollors worth of equipment that will be obsolete in a few years. I tried all the restarting with this and that on but cant get it to work.
Who has a Toshiba HD-A1SN player been able to get HDMI to work with this Projector?

When I puchased a HD-DVD player the main reason was to upconvert my current DVDs. I have just given up on all this. Maybe in about 10 years when they get all this straight and I can puchase everything at Walmart I might look into it again.
post #732 of 766
Check with digitalconnection. They have/had a Dtrovision box that fixes up the SX50's HDCP problems. Not ideal, but it works.

I use it for my cable box and all DVD players including they Toshiba HD-DVD player.

Ken
post #733 of 766
how does it fix the hdcp problems...


the 50 doesn't have hdcp to fix ?


we sent our 50 back, getting a sx60... hopefully it will work
*prays*
post #734 of 766
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Originally Posted by KenLand View Post

Check with digitalconnection. They have/had a Dtrovision box that fixes up the SX50's HDCP problems. Not ideal, but it works.

I use it for my cable box and all DVD players including they Toshiba HD-DVD player.

Ken

I have the Zektor DVI switch box that is suppost to be hdcp compliant. Your HDMI/DVI cable does it have all the pins on the DVI side including the four pins around the flat pin?
post #735 of 766
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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

we sent our 50 back, getting a sx60... hopefully it will work
*prays*

The SX60 works fine with the HDMI/HDCP Toshiba HD DVD player without the need for an external "box." It is much quieter too and no dust blobs or lamp droo-iff either. Both the SX50 and SX60 are great projectors for the money. Enjoy!

Icon Master
post #736 of 766
Hello guys, I am new to the projector world, just got one three days ago used from a friend. I have got two questions.

1. I found a ceiling mount for the SX-50, but they run $999.99 USD! So I decided to build my own. Now when mounted from the ceiling, the projector shoots far too high, and I noticed that there are "ceiling mount settings" in the menu that will turn the image upside down. The rack that I made is very open concept, and made out of thin wood. The only part of the projector touching the mount was the TOP of the projector (since it has been turned upside down). The airflow of the fans and the vents on the bottom and side of the unit were very open. I watched a movie on the projector the first day I had it, just sitting upright normally on the floor, with no troubles at all. I am not sure if it is just a coincedence, but I went to have dinner after using the projector for 30 minutes in its new mount, turned off the machine, when i came back 20 min later and went to turn the unit on, I heard a few clicking noises and it threw me a Burnt Bulb code. The bulb life meter was lets say, 20% used, but the manual says that could mean up to 1000 hours, also the picture quality was very crisp and bright (ive seen projectors with bulbs that need replacing, they are very dull in color and brightness) My question, is this just a coincedence and the bulb was nearing the end of its lifespan, or did running the projector upside down cause the bulb to burn prematurely? I would think if turning the projector upside down, if it did heat up, it would throw an "abnormal temperature" code and shut itself down before the bulb blew from the heat?


2. I am in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. The cheapest i have found a replacement bulb for this Projector is $400 USD. I am wondering if anyone knows of a place locally or even online to find a better price for a replacement.

Thanks in advance guys, any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated.
post #737 of 766
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Originally Posted by shock2929 View Post

... did running the projector upside down cause the bulb to burn prematurely?

If the projector was being used right side up before, then turning it up-side-down would change the arc of the bulb, but this should not bring about near immediate burnout; i.e. it should only have reduced its expected lifespan. If your mount is allowing for proper cooling, then you could probably write up its passing to coincidence.
post #738 of 766
Welcome to the thread Shock2929 and the world of projectors!

My guess to your light bulb issue; your projector went through some out-of-the-ordinary circumstances, being handled (even if mildly) and bumped until positioned to where you want it. The 'jarring' very likely put some 'cold hours' on the very fragile bulb. My SX50 is in a rather confined area, in a bookshelf, without an added 4" fan mounted above the projector, my SX50 would overheat. It did when I first installed the projector and didn't have any fan over it.. I got a message briefly and then it shut itself off. No problems since I put the fan in!
The 'thermostat' works as it should. Yes, could be as you and Rual GS say, just coincidence.

"the picture quality was very crisp and bright"

Congrats on your projector! you will definitely enjoy it! The price of a new bulb will still be very worth it. Watch out for those who insist you are not seeing a nice picture unless your lumens are so much and contrast is over blah blah blah. They also insist you need meters, mathematics, so much light in your room, ect. They are like a bunch of bickering ol' ladies. If meters and electronics tells you your picture isn't very good, don't invite them back!! My eyes enjoy it greatly, that's what matters!!!
post #739 of 766
Yah, that may very well be. I did not give it any serious jolts, but i was moving it around quite a bit, so who knows. So long story short, for example, if i run the projector upside down, with lots of clearence everywhere except for the top of the sx50 (because its sitting on a shelf), the bulb should last about the same time as running it right side up? I only ask because i notice that all of the proper mounting brackets that i have seen for this projector mount to the bottom of the unit, and hold it upside down, meaning that the top of the unit (facing down) is not in contact with anything under it-
post #740 of 766
I don't believe there would be a problem with it up-sidedown. One of the SX50's options is to flip the picture so you could see the image correctly if the projector is mounted up-sidedown. So it appears they considered an up-sidedown mounting when they designed it, therefore should be fine. Likewise the mounts themselves are designed to hold projectors up-sidedown, so apparently it too, must be fine! There must be some people here who mount theirs up-sidedown. We'll probably hear from them. As long as air is free and plenty to cool things down all should be well.
post #741 of 766
Mine sits upside down on a mantle. (no mount, just sits on its top) Keeps it up out of the way. Works great, no problems.

Ken
post #742 of 766
Ok, thats good news! The only concern was that Id buy a new bulb after my "coincedence" and it would die again, just possibly concidering the heat, from having the top of the unit flush flat sitting on a surface. But it sounds like there are some others that run this set up. Again, anyone here bought a replacement lamp before? if so, from where, and how much did you pay?

-Trevor
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shock2929

I'm not sure it's OK to post this. I'll remove it if I need to. You can get a bulb from here:
1-800-457-0889. It's where I got my SX50.
post #744 of 766
Shock, before you buy a new lamp, remove the 50 from its mount, turn it right side up and try it. Like you I made a mount out of plywood and hung it upsidedown and kept getting a faulty lamp cover signal. The mounting screws near the lamp cover pull on the case and cause enough stress to cause false malfunction signals. If this is the case you may have to fiddle with the screws to get it to work. Good luck.

Blkbox
post #745 of 766
It's been a while since anybody posted for the SX-50 so I figured I'll do a little something. Owning a 150 year-old farm house with the old country look poses a problem if it is equipped with new technology looking home-theatre equipment.
At this point everything is crude, but time (and money) will improve the blend.

First picture is the SX-50. I have a fan mounted above the projector since the area is quite crammy. The extra circulation must be doing the trick. It's been almost a year this way and the projector is still doing great.


Second: Cabinet Closed. Everything's hidden nicely.


With the camera positioned where the SX-50 lens is, the third photo shows the screen lowered to the 'widescreen' mode. For fullscreen, we just lower the ropes!



The screen is cut to 11 feet from left to right. Pole and top board are almost 13 feet. A very rough arrangement that will get better in time. But even as is we get a great and bright picture from the SX-50. Even the screen as it is, for now, adds to the 'rustic' look of the old farm house.
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post #746 of 766
Hey guys, I'm kinda new to the home theater process (having just bought my first home, of course home theater is the biggest priority), and I appreciate everyone's posts, as they have helped substantially.

I'm sure everyone here will likely groan when reading a post from another newbie, but I've read through 25 pages of posts and burned out too many brain cells to keep track of what the best combination of components would be. I had pretty much decided on a SX50 before finding this forum so my question is in regard to the rest of the equipment. My primary use will be games & movies with occasional satellite use. Besides the SX50 and the OPPO OPDV971H DVD player, it seems another smart purchase would be a scaler. I'm leaning toward the Key Digital iSync HD, but I had originally planned on running everything through a Denon AVS-2807 receiver which supposedly has upconversion. Is it better to go with a different receiver (withough the upconversion) and keep the scaler? Is there a better option for the money than what I'm thinking of going with? I know everything here is personal opinion but I appreciate any feedback

PS. I can appreciate IconMaster being in New Orleans. I'm an insurance adjuster and I handled hundreds of flood claims in the Big Easy. Quite an experience to say the least.
post #747 of 766
While it may be expensive relative to price of the pj, you may want to look at a DVDO VP50. I think another member said the Canon didn't look good for gaming.
post #748 of 766
If you go with a scaler you are better off coupling that with the OPDV970H running in 480i mode. The scaler will do a better job creating the output best suited for your projector. I'm pretty happy with the DVDO VP30 despite it's bugs.

You may want to check out the forsale forum for deals as you figure out what you want.
post #749 of 766
I would gather then that DVDO is the better scaler company to go with whatever the model (VP30 or VP50). Then is it better to forego the Denon with upconvervsion and go with a good receiver to handle just the audio?
post #750 of 766
There is little to gain using a receiver with upconversion as it can't output the 1400x1050 resolution the Canon uses.
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