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post #2281 of 3490
9/2/06 at 10:35am
I'm looking at this projector for my family room. I will be sitting at 8' from screen and projector will be 13' from screen. The screen size I'm looking for is 80" to 92". Will I see alot of RBE for sitting this close to the screen. I'm also looking at the pan ae900. Thanks for input.
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post #2282 of 3490
9/2/06 at 1:13pm
Can't say for sure, but odds are that Yep, you'll see Rainbows. The closer you get to the screen, the more your eyes have to dart around to follow the action.

The more your eyes dart around, the greater the likleyhood you'll see rainbows on any light object on a darker background. They wont last long, and they'll be more like a split-seconds annoyance (if they annoy at all), but this could probably be solved by moving a few feet back.

8' is awfully close, even for a 92" screen.
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post #2283 of 3490
9/2/06 at 1:29pm
If you are seeing rainbows - turn off BrilliantColor and report back....also use the lower/warmest color temp preset.

At 8' away you also want no larger than an 82" diag. Then your viewing angle will be same as someone further away from a larger screen - not to close.

brightness & closeness are two things that cause more RBE.
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post #2284 of 3490
9/2/06 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

The extra speed makes a difference if you're sensitive. But then again, the H79 is not nearly as bright as the HC3000, especially if the lamp on the H79 wasn't new.
Add to that the 2.8 gain small screen you are using (same set up when you viewed the H79??).

Project on a flat white wall at close to 100" and sit 1.5x screen widths back as see if RBE is still pronounced or not. If this works and you want to keep your screen, a ND2 filter might be all that you need...and they're cheep.

Again, your set up enhances RBE possibility, especially if you're sensitive. my suggestions (my first response) have a high chance of eliminating RBE and additionally correcting for a more movie theater film like experience. What you have right now is Plasma like brightness...good for TV, but probably too bright for DVD's and this set up becomes more RBE likely too.

Fleaman

Thanks for all the help guys. I went to Target and bought a white vinyl curtain liner, a white sheet, and a gray sheet. There was some improvement, but still way to distracting. Then I projected on my black painted wall (eggshell) and I could still see it with brightness at -30. Looks like I'm one of the unfortunate few.

Guess this one is going to Ebay with less than 10 hours on it (what a shame)! Are there any new LCD's less than $4,000 worth waiting for, or is the Pany PT-AE900U the way to go?

Thanks again guys,
Daniel
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post #2285 of 3490
9/2/06 at 3:09pm
I am thinking about going with this projector still and for a 92" screen would 10 - 11 feet back for the first row be good or is this still too close and around 15 feet back. I keep going back to this projector becuase how the picture is suppose to be much better then the Z4 or Panny AE900U. but as many worried about RBE and the 20% restocking fee
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post #2286 of 3490
9/3/06 at 8:33am
So I've read all the posts about how good the HD-A1 looks on the HC3000, and I agree. I've had the HD-A1 for a few weeks now and love the PQ.

Yesterday I decided to pick up the Pioneer VSX-84TXSi Receiver to allow for more HDMI flexibility and i.link capability than my Outlaw 990 has, but I could not, for the life of me get a HDMI signal to the HC3000 from the Receiver.

When I separated the components out minus the receiver while troubleshooting, I couldn't get a picture running directly to the projector from *any* of my HDMI components: HDTivo, Denon 3910, Toshiba HD-A1. The only two component I got a picture from running straight to the projector was my old, mothballed Bravo D1. And of course that was DVI>HDMI. Otherwise, my 3 HDMI components needed to be switched to DVI and run through the Outlaw pre/pro and then from the pre/pro to the HC3000 in order to show a picture. Nothing HDMI>HDMI ever gave me anything, and I tried several different cables.

Thoughts or ideas anyone? Has anyone else had an issue like this they solved? Thanks in advance!

Rick
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post #2287 of 3490
9/3/06 at 10:07am
you guys have my head spinning i should be in the pool my situation, basement total light control low (7 ft) ceiling want to put pj on coffee table between two chairs. can be between 10 or 12 feet from 92 inch screen.will this work. panny 900 will. do saw this pj(mitsu) for price of panny minus the rebate and blockbuster card. help c.c in hand.
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post #2288 of 3490
9/3/06 at 10:29am
Thanks guys for the input.
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post #2289 of 3490
9/3/06 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by ender21 View Post

So I've read all the posts about how good the HD-A1 looks on the HC3000, and I agree. I've had the HD-A1 for a few weeks now and love the PQ.

Yesterday I decided to pick up the Pioneer VSX-84TXSi Receiver to allow for more HDMI flexibility and i.link capability than my Outlaw 990 has, but I could not, for the life of me get a HDMI signal to the HC3000 from the Receiver.

When I separated the components out minus the receiver while troubleshooting, I couldn't get a picture running directly to the projector from *any* of my HDMI components: HDTivo, Denon 3910, Toshiba HD-A1. The only two component I got a picture from running straight to the projector was my old, mothballed Bravo D1. And of course that was DVI>HDMI. Otherwise, my 3 HDMI components needed to be switched to DVI and run through the Outlaw pre/pro and then from the pre/pro to the HC3000 in order to show a picture. Nothing HDMI>HDMI ever gave me anything, and I tried several different cables.

Thoughts or ideas anyone? Has anyone else had an issue like this they solved? Thanks in advance!

Rick

Rick ,

There is a known issue with the Pioneer 84 , a couple other members have had the similar problems (no image over HDMI with 1080i from the HD DVD player but 720p seems to work) . Right now it does not appear that there is a fix but when in doubt unplug everything and start over , also be sure that your HC3000 is powered up first , then the receiver and then the HD DVD player . Be sure to use the V.Ouput button on the remote to switch to HDMI .

Best of Luck ,
---- Jason
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post #2290 of 3490
9/3/06 at 1:33pm
I really like to get the HC300U after reading a lot of reviews and comments here.

My basement room is totally dark, no windows, 20' x 25', 7' dropdown ceiling.

I prefer to have ceiling mount and screen size of about 120". Do you guys think the hc3000u will work?
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post #2291 of 3490
9/3/06 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by ocharlies View Post

I really like to get the HC300U after reading a lot of reviews and comments here.

My basement room is totally dark, no windows, 20' x 25', 7' dropdown ceiling.

I prefer to have ceiling mount and screen size of about 120". Do you guys think the hc3000u will work?

Not with 7' ceilings and that screen size.

Fleaman
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post #2292 of 3490
9/3/06 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Rick ,

There is a known issue with the Pioneer 84 , a couple other members have had the similar problems (no image over HDMI with 1080i from the HD DVD player but 720p seems to work) . Right now it does not appear that there is a fix but when in doubt unplug everything and start over , also be sure that your HC3000 is powered up first , then the receiver and then the HD DVD player . Be sure to use the V.Ouput button on the remote to switch to HDMI .

Best of Luck ,
---- Jason

Thanks Jason,

I've read about this issue re: the 84, so I've kept my receipt handy just in case and my dealer is extending my return period if I can't get it to work properly. Initially that's what I thought the problem was, but when I unplugged everything and started hooking up HDMI sources to the HC3000 directly, bypassing my Outlaw and the Pioneer 84 altogether, I was having problems from every source except the Bravo D1. That's when I started scratching my head.

Today I purchased a new HC3000, plugged it all in, and it worked just fine. I think it's a connector issue with the original HC3000, so I'll be getting that fixed.

I've yet to hook the Pioneer 84 backinto the mix, so stay tuned for the trials and tribulations of that one.

Rick
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post #2293 of 3490
9/3/06 at 9:45pm
I am looking at a 110 -120 inch screen for this projector. Because I have a low ceiling (7'6
"), I am going to have to place this underneath my coffee table. How does the picture look with a screen this big? From what I have read, the projector should be bright enough...I can control the light in my room. I guess what I am worried about is how good the resolution will be on a screen that size. Any input would be appreciated. Have any of you gone bigger than a 120" screen? Thanks for any info.
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post #2294 of 3490
9/3/06 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by randyox View Post

I am looking at a 110 -120 inch screen for this projector. Because I have a low ceiling (7'6
"), I am going to have to place this underneath my coffee table.

Sorry for the tangent - what is the issue with a low ceiling and ceiling mounting? Is there an existing thread which discusses it?
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post #2295 of 3490
9/3/06 at 10:23pm
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Originally Posted by ocharlies View Post

I really like to get the HC300U after reading a lot of reviews and comments here.

My basement room is totally dark, no windows, 20' x 25', 7' dropdown ceiling.

I prefer to have ceiling mount and screen size of about 120". Do you guys think the hc3000u will work?

No. See below.

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Originally Posted by dexx View Post

Sorry for the tangent - what is the issue with a low ceiling and ceiling mounting? Is there an existing thread which discusses it?

From what I've read, for a screen size of 120" diagonally your image height is going to be ~59", but the top edge will be 20" below the center line of the lens when it's ceiling mounted. That's going to make it very tight without having the image bottom out on the floor.

Joseph
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post #2296 of 3490
9/4/06 at 3:53am
I am very impressed even though I have it shooting onto a sheet right now. Great colors and sharp picture. What is most amazing is how silent the projector is. This is my first projector and based on all the ink spilled here on it I was expecting it to sound like a jet engine. No way. Four feet away it is virtually inaudible (in low mode). Very nice. I'll update my impressions when I get my 119" Da-Lite High Contrast Matte White screen installed.
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post #2297 of 3490
9/4/06 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by JosephShaw View Post

From what I've read, for a screen size of 120" diagonally your image height is going to be ~59", but the top edge will be 20" below the center line of the lens when it's ceiling mounted. That's going to make it very tight without having the image bottom out on the floor.
Joseph

Joseph hit the nail on the head.

Folks, if you're interested in this projector but don't know if it will work go here:

Mitsu Projector Tools Web Page

download the projector tools program near the bottom and plug in your numbers. I've found it to be accurate in my application.

mech
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post #2298 of 3490
9/4/06 at 9:12am
I should add, you could keystone the image. Tilt the camera up, and correct it within the menu under the keystone option. But most folks strongly discourage it. I never tried it.

mech
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post #2299 of 3490
9/4/06 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by AMDEW View Post

This is my first projector and based on all the ink spilled here on it I was expecting it to sound like a jet engine. .

Strange. I've read this thread from the beginning and can't recall anyone commenting that this projector was loud, in fact, the exact opposite (very quite) is what I've read.

Sure you weren't mistaking this for the Optoma H7100 thread

Fleaman
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post #2300 of 3490
9/4/06 at 12:14pm
No, I was exagerating. Some people in this thread did complain about it being loud but my impression is that it is nearly silent.
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post #2301 of 3490
9/4/06 at 12:42pm
I just hooked up my Mits HC3000 with a 92" Elite CineTension High Contrast screen and a RCA HDV5000 HD DVD player and the image is awesome out of the box. I know it needs calibration but the HD-DVD version of "The Last Samurai" is terrific.
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post #2302 of 3490
9/4/06 at 12:51pm
I know the offset for me will not work mounted from the ceiling. That is why I said that I will be placing it under my coffee table. I just wanted to know of those who have the projector and are shooting on a screen larger than 110" how the resolution is. I know it will vary depending on the source. I have DirecTV and am planning on getting the Oppo DVD player. I am just very curious as to how the pictures looks on a large screen. I am contemplating going with a 120" screen.
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post #2303 of 3490
9/4/06 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by randyox View Post

I just wanted to know of those who have the projector and are shooting on a screen larger than 110" how the resolution is. .

It's all relative to your seating distance.

Most sit within 1.5x screen widths (not diagonal) away.

Some sit a little closer.

Some with eagle eye vision would maybe sit a little further.

Either way, larger screen = sitting further away, and vice versa (all things being equal).

Fleaman
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post #2304 of 3490
9/4/06 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by randyox View Post

I know the offset for me will not work mounted from the ceiling. That is why I said that I will be placing it under my coffee table. I just wanted to know of those who have the projector and are shooting on a screen larger than 110" how the resolution is. I know it will vary depending on the source. I have DirecTV and am planning on getting the Oppo DVD player. I am just very curious as to how the pictures looks on a large screen. I am contemplating going with a 120" screen.


You'll also have to consider the fact that as your lamp ages it will get dimmer so a high gain screen would be recommended.
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post #2305 of 3490
9/4/06 at 1:47pm
I am looking at a couple of high gain screens. I guess my decision now is how big of a screen. That is why I am curious as to how good the picture looks to those who have this projector using a screen size of 110" and above. I am getting pretty excited about getting things set up. I am just a couple of weeks away from having my room ready to make the plunge! I am still very serious about going with a 120" screen size.
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post #2306 of 3490
9/4/06 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by randyox View Post

I am looking at a couple of high gain screens. I guess my decision now is how big of a screen. That is why I am curious as to how good the picture looks to those who have this projector using a screen size of 110" and above. I am getting pretty excited about getting things set up. I am just a couple of weeks away from having my room ready to make the plunge! I am still very serious about going with a 120" screen size.

I use over a 110" HiPower with a ceiling mounted HC3000 (so about 1.5 gain) and the image is stunning ! We purchased a 55" HDTV for my son and connected the HD DVD player to it , no comparison , the HC3000 chewed up the 55" and spit it out (this was an HDtv that had a $3400 MSRP) .

------- Jason
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post #2307 of 3490
9/4/06 at 5:55pm
Well, after waiting and waiting and waiting for whatever solution I was going to buy for the last two years, I finally pulled the trigger today. I purchased an HC3000U NIB from a big box store for a pretty good price after the 12% off rewardzone coupon was added. And the 36 months 0% interest really helped too. If only I could have talked them into selling me a copy of Lost Season 2 a day early.

Anyway, with the thing sitting on a box on the floor in the theater room and playing Finding Nemo projected onto the off white wall, all my wife could say was "Wow... This is so much better than that JVC (DILA 1080P set)." I have to say, I concur, and though I was originally planning on buying the HD72, I'm very happy with the Mitsubishi.

Now the question is, what mount is everyone using fo this thing? I've got a little girl who plans on throwing a sleepover for her 8th birthday, so this needs to get up ASAP. Thanks.

Joseph
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post #2308 of 3490
9/4/06 at 6:51pm
I used the Chief Universal. It gets a lot of good reviews around here.
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post #2309 of 3490
9/4/06 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by AMDEW View Post

I used the Chief Universal. It gets a lot of good reviews around here.


I concur. The Chief RPA-U works great with the Mits HC3000.
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post #2310 of 3490
9/5/06 at 5:07am
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

We purchased a 55" HDTV for my son

You adopting anytime soon? I may be available...

mech
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