Mitsubishi HC3000 MSRP $2,995 - Page 3

Found this at the DLP site . This chip has been mentioned before for its dual use mostly in the other forum. It is not a wobulated dmd. You also mentioned its counterpart the new asic that incorporates "Brilliant Color". It seems that no front pj manufacturer has any plans to use wobulation Dmd's just rear pj manufacturers at this time.

Tentative product sheet of the HC3000.

Does anybody else suspect this PJ will have no lens shifting? I couldn't find any buttons on the picture that might suggest this, and the PDF makes no mention of it, not even on the diagram on page 2.

It is fixed offset (no lens shift), according to the Mitsubishi Japan page linked by kosha on the previous page.

It sounds like they are geering up to release this unit in Europe. What about release in the USA?

The U.S. preliminary product sheet I received states:
"Availability: Targeting October 2005"

I see air filter in the tentative product sheet provided by Grubert.
No lens shift, but you get an air filter!

Does that mean no sealed optics?

http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projek...HC3000Prev.htm

Gosh, the cine4home guys are quick.

Translated by Babelfish

It looks to me like this unit does not have the brilliant color wheel...?
-Matt

From cinehome regarding the chip:

Thus it offers a DarkChip-3 DMD with 12° tilting angle and a dissolution of 1280x768 pixels as the first favorable hp ready projector. The advantage of this new chip from the house Texas Instruments is to signals in its increased dissolution and compatibility to standard PC-xga. Critics will criticize that his dissolution not exactly that kleinen And so possibly a scaling corresponds to HDTV standard 720p required. Since however medium-term (hopefully) eh the Full hp standard will become generally accepted with 1080 lines and here more dissolution in any case is of advantage, we cannot divide this criticism.

Isn't "Brilliant Color" part of the processing and not just the wheel, as such?

Hi,

after reading the review from cine4home and searching via google, i found, that "brilliant color" doesn't imply additional magenta, cyan and yellow segments. It only "allows" projector designer to be more flexible in designing the color wheel. One aspect is to use additional colors ("up to 6 colors"), but the technique mitsubishi uses is just a RGBRGB wheel, where the red segments are slightly larger to overcome the limited red output of the bulbs

Ralph

Wow! Looks like this is going to be my new projector.
I know that there is not much money to make from a powerbuy on this unit but I am sure this is the projector that the initial X1 owners (including myself) are waiting for and justify an upgrade.

Here's more detail from Projector Central: http://www.projectorcentral.com/cedia_2005.htm

Article mainly focuses on the five new LCD'ers, but also has an optomistic write-up of the HC3000. Gotta love seeing a DLP undercutting LCD.

One thing I'm not clear on is whether the chip is physically 1.78:1 or 1.67:1. If it's the former, then 720P will have to be scaled. If it's the latter, then it will need a custom screen (or zooming in and out when switching between 720P and XGA). Anyone know which way they did it?

The product sheet that Grubert posted says the chip is 16:9 or 1.78:1.
Its not entirely clear to me why 720p needs to be scaled. Please explain.

"The product sheet that Grubert posted says the chip is 16:9 or 1.78:1."

I'll bet they were just speaking loosely.

If it were 16:9 at 1280x768, the pixels would have to be rectangular, and then the AR for 1280x720 wouldn't be 16:9, and the AR for 1024x768 wouldn't be 4:3.

That babelfish translation seems to indicate there is no lens shift. If that's true, this is going to be a problem for most people. How can you set it up in just one way?

DANG! So many choices! Now Mitsubishi HC3000, Toshiba H77, BenQ PE7700, InFocus 7805, Panasonic AE9000... perhaps I should just step back and not pay attention until either my current bulb burns out, or I get a Blu-Ray DVD player to worry about it... things will probably change a lot in 6 months.

I want to stay DLP unless an LCD can offer just as good contrast and black levels as an equivalently priced DLP - or have enough advantage price wise over DLP so as to make the lesser quality worth the cheaper price. [speaking robotically] Of course I'm sure it won't matter since the current MSRPs will not change in the next six months.

This is going to be interesting. I'm a first time projector shopper and I've been sold on the h77 for a couple of weeks. Now that this new pj has showed up, I can't wait to see a review and side by side comparison. I won't be buying my pj until Nov., so I've got a little time to see how things shape up.

Can I ask what is this H77 you're referring to?

Optoma H77

add me to this list. pulling the trigger in the next few weeks after the several month progression of infocus 4805 > optoma h31 > tosh mt700 > benq pe7700 > optoma h77, with the sony hs51 as a backup if i have a bad dlp reaction. now this mits is in the picture.

from what i can gather the h77 and the mits look fairly comparable, dc3 on the mits vs. 8 segment color wheel plus general quality on the optoma high end fp (msrp still listed as $9000).

i'm thrilled that i've gone from a good 480p to a great 720p, but the trip is driving me crazy!

We don't know how fast the color wheel is going to be on theis correct?

If it isn't a signifigant improvement over my 4805 I'll probably have to go with a 720p LCD because I see rainbows a lot. This projector does sound great other than that however.

I once brought up a similar question regarding the non standard resolution (methinks it was that flat hang on the wall LG projector). I was always under the assumption that the mirrors would have to be square as they tilted on their diagonal axis... going by this simplistic logic I'm thinking that the projected image is not going to be true 16:9, hence the screen would not be fully utilised if it is a 16:9 screen, unless the optics somehow squish the image a little to make it 16:9 it could be a consideration for many.

It really does bring into light the fact that eventually 1080p will be the only resolution... hopefully. At least there is none of this PAL and NTSC having differing resolutions, with a unified resolution things should be good In the meantime 1280x768 makes an interesting transition, however it probably won't sway many away from 1280x720 is my guess, a few, but not many.

Cheers...
Duy-Khang Hoang

What intrigues me about this projector is it appears to promise the best of both worlds when it comes to 4:3 v 16:9 projectors. You get HD resolutions without sacrificing the ability to do decent resolution 4:3. I still watch lots of standard format TV as well as movies and HD.

I have an X1 with a panamorph and have a nice picture. I was looking to pick up the NEC HT1100 and continue using my panamorph. With the HC3000 I have the opportunity to sell both the X1 and the anamorphic lens and get better resolution to boot!

I'll be getting an xbox360 when it comes out on nov.22. The 360 puts out an image of 720 or 1080(whatever you choose). It seems with this resolution, I won't be able to get 1.1 transfer @ 720. If thats the case, I'm still leaning towards the optoma h77(that's if I dont see rainbows).

@SGinAZ

You can still do 4:3 with a 1280x720 PJ. As far as I know there is no 1024x768 source material anyway, both ways there is scaling, you get a fraction more resolution but you may (and this was the point of my post) not have a 16:9 screen completely filled when in widescreen mode. Where this will excel is IF one uses it for XGA gaming on the PC and the PJ supports an XGA mode so there is no scaling. Still early days to see how it all comes together though... so my thoughts are just speculation.

Cheers...
Duy-Khang Hoang

There still seems to be a difference in refresh rates at upconverted resolutions for PAL and NTSC (or is it just for upconverted pal/ntsc dvd). Pal is still 50hz and Ntsc is 60hz.

It depends. For example, the Denon 3910 upscales PAL as 720p/60 (changing the frame rate) but the Pioneer 59AVi upscales it as 720p/50.