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post #151 of 852
9/6/06 at 7:48am
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I like the idea of the tin ceiling tiles as a backsplash. I've been trying to decide how to do a backsplash in my kitchen for a while now. I think I might steal that idea.

Bud - Your bar looks great. What stain did you use, btw?

Sdall - Weren't you considering a bar-table like BuffBakerGA awhile back? If so, I've updated the thread in the theater room forum with my project.

Steal away!

can you post a link, I can't seem to find your thread....I bought a small outdoor bistro set, but I might be interested in building something....
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post #152 of 852
9/6/06 at 9:47am
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Steal away!

can you post a link, I can't seem to find your thread....I bought a small outdoor bistro set, but I might be interested in building something....

Here you go:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=676030

In looking at the thread, I must've gotten you mixed up with another poster, as I don't see where you posted there, but hopefully it'll be some use anyway!
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post #153 of 852
9/6/06 at 12:29pm
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Here you go:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=676030

In looking at the thread, I must've gotten you mixed up with another poster, as I don't see where you posted there, but hopefully it'll be some use anyway!

Nice bar top for the HT Room. No I don't have room for that. My rear row of within about 9" of my rear wall. And the seats rock!

I was looking for like a free standing pub table to build. I have a free corner open in my bar, and my wife doesn't like sitting at a bar (she is short) so she really wanted a "small pub table/bistro table".

We have picked one up from Target on sale...but always looking for another DIY project (tho I seem to have plenty to do).
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post #154 of 852
10/7/06 at 6:57am
Bud and other who built a knee wall . . .

What height and width did you use? 40.5" for a 1.5" top? Use 2"x6" lumber? How does the bar top (granite) mount to the top of the wall?

Scott
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post #155 of 852
10/7/06 at 8:14am
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Bud and other who built a knee wall . . .

What height and width did you use? 40.5" for a 1.5" top? Use 2"x6" lumber? How does the bar top (granite) mount to the top of the wall?

Scott

Scott,

Just replied to your PM. 2x6 construction definitely. Helps to run the PVC for the sink. My raw framed knee wall was 42". Keep flooring in mind when you figure that out, if you use solid wood floors, you'll lost 3/4 inch. Granite was about 1.5". I recommend using Home Depot design to lay out the bar/cabinets. It doesn't cost anything and at least you'll have all the dimensions to build from. The granite is attached with silicon.

Bud
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post #156 of 852
10/10/06 at 4:18am
for those of you who have built your bars, what is a good distance to use for behind the bar? By that I mean the distance between the wall (or other cabinets) and the start of the bar. Is 4' good enough or should I go a bit bigger? I don't want it to be too cramped if 2 people are behind the counter/bar but I don't want to intrude on the room either.

thanks
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post #157 of 852
10/10/06 at 4:46am
This will give you an idea of my dimensions. Initially I thought there was a lot of room, but when you add cabinets, it got smaller pretty quick. I then thought it would be too small, but its just right for me. Enough room for a person or two, but thats about it.

Here are the dimensions for the bar. I used Home Depot to help with the design, they generated this plan that I used to build the knee wall.


I only one minor change after the framing was done, I swapped out a small bookcase for some 12" cabinets at the end by the opening (B2412BUTT). I wanted storage for little things like corkscrews, bottle openers, other bar accessories and not decorative stuff.

Hope it helps.

Bud
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post #158 of 852
10/10/06 at 5:09am
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We ordered about 12 samples before deciding on which color to get.

Just ordered 10 samples from them. I saw another site that has 2x4 panels for back splashes, so I may end up going that route.

I was also thinking about old licenses plates! Maybe just black with white letters, maybe in a mosaic look, not sure. Maybe just put it together like a jigsaw puzzle. Haven't put too much thought into it. I bought a few plates on ebay before, they're pretty cheap and wouldn't need too many. The wife wasn't real thrilled with that idea, but not sure I really described it well to her.

Bud
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post #159 of 852
10/11/06 at 5:35pm
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Just ordered 10 samples from them. I saw another site that has 2x4 panels for back splashes, so I may end up going that route.

I was also thinking about old licenses plates! Maybe just black with white letters, maybe in a mosaic look, not sure. Maybe just put it together like a jigsaw puzzle. Haven't put too much thought into it. I bought a few plates on ebay before, they're pretty cheap and wouldn't need too many. The wife wasn't real thrilled with that idea, but not sure I really described it well to her.

Bud

License plates would be cool. We tried to think of some creative things for our kitchen before we went with the tin. I looked into just getting metal roof flashing, but the wife didn't like. We found this "outdoor art" that was basically painting on a metal canvas. We were going to put that behind the oven, then wallpaper the rest of the area. But we decided that wouldn't look at that great on our oven as we have a basic 30" range. If you had a larger pro-type range it might work. I thought about mounting some laminate designed for counter tops on tongue and groove plywood and using that for a back splash, but decided against that as well. Tho we found some laminate that might have worked well.

If you search some of the home improvement sites, you will find some pretty creative stuff out there.
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post #160 of 852
10/27/06 at 12:57pm
I posted a question over in the HT construction forum but it really is more of a bar question, so I figured I'd post the same here. Here's a link to that thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=741714

Does anyone have any thoughts on my plans? Thanks,

-Ryan
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post #161 of 852
10/27/06 at 1:17pm
Ryan, speaking in general terms, your bar is not much different that mine. Sure, mine is angled and we have different stuff, but not that different. If you think you have enough storage, forget moving the bar forward. Thats where ours are similar, I have cabinets on a side wall and the half wall. Thats plenty of room for a bar. Besides you'll need that wall for hanging a nice plasma for the folks perched there ... make sure you consider prewiring for a TV anyway.

Which way is the HT door going to open? In towards the HT room?

Bud
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post #162 of 852
10/27/06 at 3:56pm
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Nice layout. I like the two frig idea. I have one beverage center (beer only) in my bar, but now I'm thinking of adding a small wine frig. Very smart adding the dishwasher as I assume your kitchen is on the main floor.
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post #163 of 852
10/30/06 at 10:34am
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Ryan, speaking in general terms, your bar is not much different that mine. Sure, mine is angled and we have different stuff, but not that different. If you think you have enough storage, forget moving the bar forward. Thats where ours are similar, I have cabinets on a side wall and the half wall. Thats plenty of room for a bar. Besides you'll need that wall for hanging a nice plasma for the folks perched there ... make sure you consider prewiring for a TV anyway.

Which way is the HT door going to open? In towards the HT room?

Bud

Thanks Bud - I posted some new pics in the other thread. In short, we want the overall appearance from the rest of the basement to be more bar-like and less like some cabinets and counters off in the corner (or even worse, like a kitchen). The HT door probably will open out as I plan to have a riser in the back of the room and don't want to impede the door opening.

-Ryan
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post #164 of 852
10/30/06 at 10:36am
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Nice layout. I like the two frig idea. I have one beverage center (beer only) in my bar, but now I'm thinking of adding a small wine frig. Very smart adding the dishwasher as I assume your kitchen is on the main floor.

Thanks. Yep, we have our kitchen on the main floor just above this space. The wine-fridge is pretty much a must-have for us. I'll probably upgrade my kitchen's dishwasher as well and move the existing (loud) one down to the bar. I'd love to have a full-size fridge down in the basement as well, but space is limited and getting that down my stairs would be exciting to say the least. Looks like our future second fridge will end up in the garage, and we'll use a "beverage cooler" downstairs.

-Ryan
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post #165 of 852
10/31/06 at 5:00pm
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I don't know if you have done your backsplash or not, but I was at Lowes today and they had some "faux" tin backsplashes. Yes they look exactly like tin and they even have the exact same pattern as our tin, but when I picked on up it was a heavy plastic rather then tin. I have never seen this stuff before. I picked up a brochure and it is ACP "Decorative Thermoplastic Panels". You got to see them, they look exactly like the tin, but they are not! Weird. Now I don't like the idea that when you touch them you can feel they are plastic, but I image would be a lot easier to work with. They even have matching trim pieces and matching self stick "paper" to go over outlets. At $18.00 per piece, I thing they are more then I paid for the tin, but again, another option and should be super easy to work with.

http://www.acpideas.com/home.cfm?Xli...TOKEN=29892888

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Originally Posted by chinadog View Post

Just ordered 10 samples from them. I saw another site that has 2x4 panels for back splashes, so I may end up going that route.

I was also thinking about old licenses plates! Maybe just black with white letters, maybe in a mosaic look, not sure. Maybe just put it together like a jigsaw puzzle. Haven't put too much thought into it. I bought a few plates on ebay before, they're pretty cheap and wouldn't need too many. The wife wasn't real thrilled with that idea, but not sure I really described it well to her.

Bud
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post #166 of 852
11/3/06 at 12:25pm
Sdallnct and Chinadog,

I have been following this thread a while and am planning on using this idea for my basement/media/multipurpose room bar. In fact, this tread lead me to the AVS Forums and has got my mind whirling with ideas for the room.

My bar will be a bit smaller and have more of a Deco look to it. I'll post some SketchUp pictures or what I am thinking when I have enough posts under my belt to allow me to add links.

Anyway, I did have one question: Is the top level counter top on the half-wall very secure? My design will not allow for any sort of corbel to help with support.

-Chris
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post #167 of 852
11/3/06 at 2:33pm
Chris,

I would venture to say that the granite (without corbels) isn't going anywhere, but can you stand on it? No. You might want a little less overhang than normal if you have not corbels. If you have any overhang, you should be able to use small corbels. Also, I used 2x6 construction on the knee wall as well. What will you be using?

Bud
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post #168 of 852
11/3/06 at 5:23pm
I was planning to use at least 2x6 construction for the knee wall as well. The problem with corbels is that I want to have some sort of backlit translucent panel for the facing or my knee wall. I was thinking of something like the glass block that was shown earlier in the thread or some sort of frosted glass panel.

As for the countertops, I was planning on going with something a little different. Zinc. I figure I can use MDF as the substrate and then form sheet zinc over the MDF. I have found some suppliers for the zinc sheets along with zinc solder to solder the joints. I just need to find someone with a metal break to form the sheets for me.

I'll try and get the SketchUp drawing done and posted this weekend.

-Chris
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post #169 of 852
11/3/06 at 9:02pm
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This photo even tho blurry, shows how I built my bar top. Basically I built a half wall turning the studs sideways. I then added a 2X4 level with the top of the studs on both sides of the studs.

On top of this I put 3/4" OSB if I remember (tho maybe plywood), then 1/4" cement backer board, the granite tile on top of that. The total depth of the bar top (not including trim) is exactly 12". Why 12"? Because I was using 12" tiles. The overhang is about 8". I wish I did more of an overhang, but the room I put this in was not very wide. So I was actually trying to keep the bar as narrow as possible, but still comfortable. It is very solid. No need for additional support. I'm very happy with it considering I have never built anything like that before.

Oh the 2X4 you see running across the floor at the bottom was for support during construction. I actually removed it when doing the trim out. The cabinets are screen into my concrete slab between the gouts of my tile floor, with the stud wall screwed in the cabinets. The unit is very, very solid.

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post #170 of 852
11/6/06 at 6:24am
I love reading these threads about building bars. That's going to be my winter HT project... a simple 6' bar behind my back row.

My room is waaaay too small for this one, but I came across this picture while searching the web for ideas and pics...



In Atlanta... $25K on ebay.
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post #171 of 852
11/6/06 at 11:27am
Okay.

I have never used SketchUp before, but here are two quick renders of what I am thinking about. They are basically to scale, but some details were made up on the fly and others are still being worked out in my head.

Front:


Back:

LL
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post #172 of 852
12/5/06 at 4:59am
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Originally Posted by Clarence View Post

I love reading these threads about building bars. That's going to be my winter HT project... a simple 6' bar behind my back row.

My room is waaaay too small for this one, but I came across this picture while searching the web for ideas and pics...

In Atlanta... $25K on ebay.

Looking forward to seeing your bar progress. Keep us posted!

Bud
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post #173 of 852
12/5/06 at 5:01am
cfmustang,

Any more progress on your bar? I'd like to see how that Zinc works out.

Bud
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post #174 of 852
12/5/06 at 1:44pm
Sorry, no real progress.

Things were too hectic the past month and now the holidays are too close to start the project. If I were to start running the power tools downstairs now, getting sawdust everywhere, my wife would kill me.

So, I will start after the New Year. The extra time is giving me a chance to rethink my design a bit. I am thinking of scrapping the glass block/lit panel knee wall and going with a deco style wood panel. I still plan on going with the zinc counter tops though.

Maybe this weekend I can work on the Sketch Up images again and come up with a updated design.
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post #175 of 852
12/14/06 at 5:04pm
Are any of you guys putting under-counter ice makers in your bars? I highly recommend doing so if you can spare the 15 inches. If you try to use an ice bucket, you'll run out too quickly and/or the ice won't be cold enough.
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post #176 of 852
12/14/06 at 5:43pm
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Are any of you guys putting under-counter ice makers in your bars? I highly recommend doing so if you can spare the 15 inches. If you try to use an ice bucket, you'll run out too quickly and/or the ice won't be cold enough.


I was on the fence when they were going for $200, but I was in the local Big Orange the other day dropping another large amount of cash on other things when I saw they had the magic Chef MCIM30TS for $150 with an additional $30 rebate. Was just there again tonight and they had a few left. At $120, I couldn't get in on the flatbed fast enough!

FYI it works like a champ, cranking out the first cubes in under 10 minutes and keeps 'em coming like clockwork every ten or so thereafter. This one is a hair under 17" tall.
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post #177 of 852
12/14/06 at 5:45pm
Pat, do you have a sku or a picture? You have me curious now.

Bud
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post #178 of 852
12/14/06 at 9:37pm
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Pat, do you have a sku or a picture? You have me curious now.

Bud

It looks like this:

http://www.shentech.com/mcim30twdh.html

I also got some hits googling "home depot magic chef ice maker" but the HD site seems to be down. Don't know if this promotion is local to Denver. The rebate form did not indicate that it was.

BTW, I've been following your thread for almost a year, and not only was it a great inspiration but you gave me a fine tip on the beverage cooler, which I ran out and bought before I'd even made much of a start on my room. Now I'm hoping to be finished in two weeks and plan to repost all my pictures in a new thread. Hopefully you will stop by and take a look. I never knew if I should post the original in the general or dedicated area, but decided on the general because it's a multipurpose room. it never attracted much comment for some reason.

Thanks
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post #179 of 852
12/15/06 at 3:38am
Pat, thanks. I see it on their site now. Their search engine is dismal. 199.00! You did get a good deal. I need to pick up a second beverage cooler as well in the next month or so (prior to Superbowl).

Looks like you last posted in early November. I've got it marked now. Looking forward to the new pictures!

Bud
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post #180 of 852
12/23/06 at 7:08pm
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Haven't posted any new pic's since my bar stool pic's. But really havn't done much more. Just some decorating (and father and law got a dart board for us for X-mas).

I did get my TV mounted and the trim installed around the opening under the TV and above the sink.



I am looking for some suggestions for shelving. See the window just left of the bar? It is about 4" deep and I thought I would put some 4" shelving in there to hold my pint classes. The window is 36" wide, so a little big for glass. Was thinking about just using some 1x4's and paint to match.

Any other thoughts or ideas?
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