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post #601 of 852
11/22/08 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by HeyNow^ View Post

Steve,

Look at post #29 in my build thread and you will see a cutaway of how I installed the bar railing. That is just one version. Lots of folks around here can also give you their examples.

Good luck.

As soon as I learn to navigate this site I MIGHT be able to find your thread..lol. Man I am seeing stars after starring at this site for about 10 straight hours last night.
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post #602 of 852
11/22/08 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by malbols View Post

Once you are at this page http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=574277
- add it to your favourites .
When you come to the site on the right hand side - 1/2 way down your screen you'll see page #'s - just click on the word last .
P.S. - i believe they sell the rails at home depot etc. - they should be able to cut you a 6" pc. so you can check it out - see what you need etc. And keep reading - LOL

Thanks for helping the ignorant newbie. I will check HD and see what they have. I wonder if places like Rockler or the place Heynow was speaking of would send a sample peice? hmm. And as far as reading I plan on doing ALOT of that.

Edit
Just checked homedepot dot com and didnt see the bar rails. That would of been to easy..lol
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post #603 of 852
11/22/08 at 12:45pm
Look at McDaniels web site they will show a profile and it's measurment (I think).

READ Steve READ click on the link at the bottom of this message MY BAR BUILD
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post #604 of 852
11/22/08 at 2:14pm
Iusteve welcome to AVS. Most people who have a theater or bar build thread of their own on here put a link in their signature line which will show up at the bottom of there post. Before building my room I looked through many pages to get ideas and to pick up some tips. I found lots of help here.
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post #605 of 852
11/22/08 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Dinger23 View Post

Iusteve welcome to AVS. Most people who have a theater or bar build thread of their own on here put a link in their signature line which will show up at the bottom of there post. Before building my room I looked through many pages to get ideas and to pick up some tips. I found lots of help here.

Thanks for the tip, I will do when I am ready to start. I did however see part of your thread and from what I saw it is spectacular. Great work!!
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post #606 of 852
11/23/08 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

I am just setting up my ideas/plans on my bar. My question now is....the bar rail like those from Rockler etc. How do they install to your bar top? Shhould the top be even at the edge? What is the trick to installing these rails? They give possibly the best look out. Please help.

P.S. you will be hearing ALOT more from me as I haven't even begun yet. Bear with me as I am a rookie

While the rail is really nice, don't think you have to do that. If you look back at my build, you will see I just did a straight piece of molding.

Don't get me wrong, the rail is awesome, but just didn't want you to get locked in with something you might not be comfortable with. I didn't do the traditional rail for a couple of reason;

1. as a beginner I didn't know if I had the skill to install it. Or how long it would take me to do.
2. I was on a tight budget, and simply didn't want to spend the money
3. I really wanted to keep the bar size proportional to the room. Not only in physical size, but also is appearance. So I wanted a "smaller" look.
4. and lastly and perhaps most importantly, my buddy came into town unannounced for work and I wanted him to help me. So we had a day to plan, a day to shop and about 2 days build as much as we could. And doing the formal rail was really just not something we planned for...LOL
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post #607 of 852
11/23/08 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post

While the rail is really nice, don't think you have to do that. If you look back at my build, you will see I just did a straight piece of molding.

Don't get me wrong, the rail is awesome, but just didn't want you to get locked in with something you might not be comfortable with. I didn't do the traditional rail for a couple of reason;

1. as a beginner I didn't know if I had the skill to install it. Or how long it would take me to do.
2. I was on a tight budget, and simply didn't want to spend the money
3. I really wanted to keep the bar size proportional to the room. Not only in physical size, but also is appearance. So I wanted a "smaller" look.
4. and lastly and perhaps most importantly, my buddy came into town unannounced for work and I wanted him to help me. So we had a day to plan, a day to shop and about 2 days build as much as we could. And doing the formal rail was really just not something we planned for...LOL


Thanks for the help, all great tips. I am unsure if I want to do the railing as I am a novice carpenter but I like the rails appearance. The biggest problem as I am basically planning an 8ft straight bar is that I will have to make one angle cut on the rail to make a peice on the end of the bar and that scares me a bit since I know the stuff is expensive and I dont want to mess it up. Also installing it since I am a novice kind of worries me a bit. I am just not totally sure how to build up the top to so that the rail sits on there right. But hopefully I will get it all figured out, my thing is I always wasnt ALL the answers before I start a project and most of the time that just isnt the way it works. So I may just have to jump in head first.
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post #608 of 852
11/25/08 at 6:19am
the bar rail was a piece of cake - i did mine and i have never done anything like this .
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post #609 of 852
11/25/08 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by malbols View Post

the bar rail was a piece of cake - i did mine and i have never done anything like this .

Any tips on what to do or not to do? What is the trick or how do you construct the top to fit the rail? And how does the rail attatch to the bar itself?
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post #610 of 852
11/25/08 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

Any tips on what to do or not to do? What is the trick or how do you construct the top to fit the rail? And how does the rail attatch to the bar itself?


I built mine up w/ 3 sheets of 3/4" ply (i think) I allowed for the bottom sheet to protrude out to support the bottom part of the rail. I marked out (w/ a small piece of scrap rail) the parts for the top and bottom and secured them w/ drywall screws. I will see if I have the measurements somewhere.

This was before I owned a digital camera so....
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post #611 of 852
11/26/08 at 3:40am
See this link:

http://www.tapeease.com/bar_rails_and_splices.htm

The rail can be screwed from the underside and both glued and pin-nailed from the top. Your choice as to which you want you just have to build the substrate on the bar to accomodate the railing dimensions. For my bar I used the WD-AT-597 Bar rail. 3/4 '' plywood base, and a 7/8 '' thick solid mahogany top.



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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

Any tips on what to do or not to do? What is the trick or how do you construct the top to fit the rail? And how does the rail attatch to the bar itself?
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post #612 of 852
11/26/08 at 7:35am
Here is a cut away of mine. You can see how it steps. I screwed mine in from the bottom.

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post #613 of 852
11/26/08 at 9:12am
There are a lot of diff bar rails . You need to know how you want to finish your bar top too .
I really think you need to find the bar rail you want and ask for a detail drawing and /or a sample pc.
The one thing you need to remember if you need to cut your rail on an angle is to prop up the rail in the saw so it sits in the saw as it would on the bar .Lots of discussions in earlier pages on this.
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post #614 of 852
11/26/08 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by HeyNow^ View Post

Here is a cut away of mine. You can see how it steps. I screwed mine in from the bottom.


So is that just a single sheet of 3/4 plywood then the wood flooring? or am i missing something?
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post #615 of 852
11/27/08 at 6:19am
Heynow , you didn't have to cut your bar in half just to show a guy a cross section . LOL
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post #616 of 852
11/27/08 at 8:45am
its what he does out of the goodness of his heart - what any AVS forum member would do
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post #617 of 852
11/27/08 at 3:05pm
I have been wanting to get the ole chainsaw out...

Steve, yes one sheet.
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post #618 of 852
11/28/08 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by HeyNow^ View Post

I have been wanting to get the ole chainsaw out...

Steve, yes one sheet.

Do you happen to have a website for the place you got your rail? I cant seem to find it and I want to see if I can get a sample peice.
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post #619 of 852
11/28/08 at 11:19am
Iusteve , somewhere in these pages is a discussion on where everyone got there rails - in case you want to check out other types . Or you could google " bar rails " for more info too.
Here is another thread in this forum for you to check out too . Lotsa discussion on bar rails

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post13499469
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post #620 of 852
12/1/08 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by malbols View Post

Iusteve , somewhere in these pages is a discussion on where everyone got there rails - in case you want to check out other types . Or you could google " bar rails " for more info too.
Here is another thread in this forum for you to check out too . Lotsa discussion on bar rails

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post13499469

Thanks for the advice and I have done. I have contacted the folks at McDaniel hardwoods and they are sending me a sample peice so I have that to work with. I wonder if they would pre-cut the angle for me prior to shipping? I should ask that. Anyone know the answer? that would make my life easier as I hate to mess up an expensive peice of moulding.
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post #621 of 852
12/2/08 at 4:35am
I believe that they would precut a 45 for you. They are a great group of folks.
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post #622 of 852
12/2/08 at 4:44am
If all you have is one 90 degree angle in your bar, I certainly would ask that they pre-cut it for you. Sure would make your build go much easier.
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post #623 of 852
12/2/08 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by HeyNow^ View Post

I believe that they would precut a 45 for you. They are a great group of folks.

I have been in contact via email with David Hoffman at McDaniels and he said they do not do mitre cuts That part is the part that scares me silly. How about I have it shipped to you and you cut it for me....lol. Did you after you cut the two peices fill it with a wood putty or filler? If so what kind?
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post #624 of 852
12/2/08 at 8:41am
Rent a mitre saw, put two pieces of 3/4 stock under and cut it! Or find a buddy that will cut it for you. Any wood putty will work. Relax, it's not that difficult.
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post #625 of 852
12/2/08 at 9:29am
Randy's right. You're overthinking it. It's not that hard...and it's not like it's the end of the world if you make a mistake...you can re-cut it depending upon where you are in your build.
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post #626 of 852
12/2/08 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by HeyNow^ View Post

Rent a mitre saw, put two pieces of 3/4 stock under and cut it! Or find a buddy that will cut it for you. Any wood putty will work. Relax, it's not that difficult.

No I have a nice mitre saw ( I just finished a rather large deck here this summer) I just wasnt sure how to cut the rail and didnt want to mess it up since I know its a littl costly. You are right I am probably over thinking it.

So let me know when you will have it cut for me..... LOL
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post #627 of 852
12/3/08 at 3:06am
any pics of hte deck
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post #628 of 852
12/3/08 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by elmalloc View Post

any pics of hte deck

I took a ton but none uploaded to the pc yet. I will get to that soon. I am not sure this is where I should post them though. lol. I built it around a 24' above ground pool and attatched it to our existing deck with some slight modifications. all in all it went well for my first major project.
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post #629 of 852
12/4/08 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

Do you happen to have a website for the place you got your rail? I cant seem to find it and I want to see if I can get a sample peice.

FYI - Got mine at the local LOWES store..... in oak and in 8 ft sections.
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post #630 of 852
12/4/08 at 5:23am
My Lowes/HD didn't have it, but I got mine at local millyard. You might want to check locally first. Look in the yellow pages for "millwork" or even "lumber" and then call around asking for "bar rail" or "chicago bar rail." Good luck.
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