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post #151 of 3744
Yes, Scott - believe it or not, we are building another house. Just got under way so will be a while before my costruction really gets going.

I finally get a basement theater, though. Really looking forward to that.

Hey Sandman - would you mind posting some dimensions on that stage?
post #152 of 3744
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Originally Posted by ebr View Post

Yes, Scott - believe it or not, we are building another house. Just got under way so will be a while before my costruction really gets going.

I finally get a basement theater, though. Really looking forward to that.

Dude, your CRAZY! All that just to get a basement home theater?!
I hope its a good move and you don't loose your shirt on the equipment that you do leave behind. I beleive you did o.k. the last time, so you know how to do it. Maybe you should start a post on how to sell a home with a dedicated theater in it! Or maybe I missed it already?
post #153 of 3744
Sandman, It must be nice to be home finally. Sorry for what mother nature has put you through, although you must have renewed enthusiasm to work on your room.

Man, those seats are fantastic.

I have a quick question for you. How are you going to finish the joint formed where the MDF on their soffit meets your ceiling? Do you mud and tape as usual? I am at the same point on mine and can't decide to mud and tape or just seal it and cover with a crown. I'm worried that this is going to crack over time because of different expansion rates between the MDF and sheetrock.
post #154 of 3744
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Originally Posted by Rob_McArthur View Post

I have a quick question for you. How are you going to finish the joint formed where the MDF on their soffit meets your ceiling? Do you mud and tape as usual? I am at the same point on mine and can't decide to mud and tape or just seal it and cover with a crown. I'm worried that this is going to crack over time because of different expansion rates between the MDF and sheetrock.

Thanks Rob.

As for the MDF meeting the Drywall on top I will be using a Silicone Caulking to fill the Voids. But Honestly, those litlle gaps will not be seen in my situation because I am doing a Fiber Optic Dropped Ceiling that will drop down 1.5" from the existing Drywall Ceiling. The Star Panel Ceiling tiles are 42" x 42" masonite boards wrapped with GoM attached to 2" x 2"s.
post #155 of 3744
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ebr View Post

Yes, Scott - believe it or not, we are building another house. Just got under way so will be a while before my costruction really gets going.

I finally get a basement theater, though. Really looking forward to that.

Hey Sandman - would you mind posting some dimensions on that stage?

Sure, in the next few Days I should have some free time to put it together for you.

For the meantime, The Rough Dimensions are 178" Wide by 58" from front to back on the top in the middle.
The curve ends on both sides 47" from front to back. The Stage is constructed with 2" x 10" Joists and has 2 Layers of 3/4" Plywood on top with #30 Roofing felt in between layers. The finished Step is 5.5" high the finished stage is 11" high.

The stage is lined with plastic and filled with 4,000 lbs. of play sand.
post #156 of 3744
Thanks. That's very close to what I eyeballed it at from the picture. I thought your top radius projected about 12" - looks like its 11". Is the lower step about 8"?

The width is almost exactly what I have to work with as well and I like the proportions you have. Thanks again.
post #157 of 3744
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Originally Posted by ebr View Post

Thanks. That's very close to what I eyeballed it at from the picture. I thought your top radius projected about 12" - looks like its 11". Is the lower step about 8"?

The width is almost exactly what I have to work with as well and I like the proportions you have. Thanks again.

Looks like it may be time to start planning a trip to Florida?

Hey Sandman, the seats look really nice, I really like the way the red came out, almost a splotchy look because of the way the leather took the coloring. I like it better than a solid red as it looks like they started with black leather and added red after the first dye process or something.
post #158 of 3744
Sandman,

Those chairs are beautiful!!
Who makes them?
How do they compare to Berkline 090's in regards to pricing per seat!!

Craig
post #159 of 3744
Yup, you need to be careful and not put one of those chairs outside. The cops will issue you a speeding ticket. I can't wait to see them in formation and the room all tricked out. Glad to hear you are home and everything looks undamaged.

You are going to need to see if there are some neighbor kids who want to make a fort out of all those boxes. That would make it someone elses problem to cut them up for the garbage man. I think I went trough two blades on just my 6 boxes.
post #160 of 3744
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by suffolk112000 View Post

Sandman,

Those chairs are beautiful!!
Who makes them?
How do they compare to Berkline 090's in regards to pricing per seat!!

Craig

Thanks for the compliments. The chairs are made by Berkline they are a new model they just came out with called the 075. I got them from Leatherdirect.com and they ran me a little over $600.00 each using the top quality Leather and micro fabric combo.

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Originally Posted by SVonhof View Post

Hey Sandman, the seats look really nice, I really like the way the red came out, almost a splotchy look because of the way the leather took the coloring. I like it better than a solid red as it looks like they started with black leather and added red after the first dye process or something.

Craig

Thanks, I was extremely pleased with the way they turned out. Its really hard to make a decision based on a swatch. I am a big dude and the chairs are extremely comfortable and they are also a bit wider than the Berkline 090's.

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Originally Posted by ebr View Post

Thanks. That's very close to what I eyeballed it at from the picture. I thought your top radius projected about 12" - looks like its 11". Is the lower step about 8"?

The width is almost exactly what I have to work with as well and I like the proportions you have. Thanks again.

Craig

The Step is 8" without the lip, with the lip it is 9.5" (1.5" Lip on Step)

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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Yup, you need to be careful and not put one of those chairs outside. The cops will issue you a speeding ticket. I can't wait to see them in formation and the room all tricked out. Glad to hear you are home and everything looks undamaged.

You are going to need to see if there are some neighbor kids who want to make a fort out of all those boxes. That would make it someone elses problem to cut them up for the garbage man. I think I went trough two blades on just my 6 boxes.

Craig

LOL Thanks Bud, I will use a Sawzall to chop the boxes up, not a big Deal for Me.
post #161 of 3744
Thread Starter 
The Good thing about putting the Chair on my Pool Table is that it gives me a better idea on how the chairs will look on a Red Carpet. I think I am going to go with a Dark carpet either Dark Grey or Black with a little pattern. I seen a carpet I liked out here in black that has tan lines running through it, but the tan lines dont match the room.

I need to find a Black carpet with a grey or Red pattern. I do not want a Solid Black carpet, they get dirty way too fast.

Can anyone make any suggestions?
post #162 of 3744
So what's the total cost so far if you don't mind me asking (minus chairs)? This could give me a really good idea what if my $30K budget for room construction is going to cut it.

BTW: I vote for the coffered/tray ceilings. I imagine that adding boxing beams will help to break up frequencies akin to a bookshelf on the wall. And it looks like you're looking through a glass ceiling in something like a atrium/solarium.
post #163 of 3744
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DigitalGriffin View Post

So what's the total cost so far if you don't mind me asking (minus chairs)? This could give me a really good idea what if my $30K budget for room construction is going to cut it.

BTW: I vote for the coffered/tray ceilings. I imagine that adding boxing beams will help to break up frequencies akin to a bookshelf on the wall. And it looks like you're looking through a glass ceiling in something like a atrium/solarium.


If you look through my thread here you can total up all my expenses I recorded so far. I pretty much recorded everything I spent so far in here minus a few odds and ends like more Screws and Glue. Once the construction is all done I will total it up myself as well to see what it cost.
post #164 of 3744
Thread Starter 
I just looked through all my posts and totaled up everything spent so far. Here is what I came up with...

$560.00 for framing lumber

$1,943.75 for Initial Drywall, Plywood, Sand, Insulation, Silicone, roofing felt, etc

$60.00 for Foam on the roll

$48.00 for Red Head Anchors

$100.00 Nails, Screws, Glue, etc

$1,250.00 for Fiber Star Ceiling supplies

$1,210.00 for 7 Cases of Green Glue

$200.00 for 18 More Sheets of 5/8"s Drywall

$4,600.00 for 7 Leather/Microfabric chairs Delivered.

$75.00 for Taping

$720.00 for the GoM Fabric

$100.00 for Renders of Room

$240.00 for 4000 lbs. of Sand for Stage

$250.00 for Ductwork installation

$66.00 for 6 More Sheets of Drywall

$625.00 for 125 Amp Service Box Installed

$75.00 for 200 Feet of Smurf Conduit and Clamps

$200.00 for 500 feet of 10 Gauge High Definition Zip Speaker Cable

$700.00 for Accoustic treatment materials so far

$1,200.00 for labor so far.


$12,972.75 Total Spent so Far which pretty much includes all the materials needed to finish the room

The only things left I need to purchase to finish the room is mouldings, some 1" 703, Carpet, Equipment Rack, Projector and Screen.

If you minus $4600.00 for the chairs and $1,250.00 for the star ceiling
the total spent so far on room construction is $7,122.75 plus or minus a few hundred bucks.
post #165 of 3744
wow...this thread has been SOOOOOOOOOOOOO helpful!
post #166 of 3744
Sandman we are waiting for new Pictures, whats going on ?
post #167 of 3744
Ultimatum: Post at least one progress picture this weekend or we will all boycott this thread and turn to other more responsible forum members for our weekly DIY fix.

I think the underground bunker has the potential to steal your time slot if you don't watch out.

We don't want pictures of a great looking finished product. We want to see where you had to rip something out because you made a mistake. Or where you couldn't fit the prehung door in the framing, Or the light fixture wouldn't fit in the space you planned.
post #168 of 3744
We're trying to get him another helper....
post #169 of 3744
Thread Starter 
Hi Guys,

I lost my helper and started getting busy with other projects outside my home. I interviewed a couple workers that are suppose to come finish up our theater after Thanksgiving Weekend. Here is Whats Left to Do...

1) Add the Light trays to the Soffits
2) Make the Columns
3) Install the Fiber Optic Star Ceiling
4) Frame out the Screenwall.
5) Treat the walls and Ceiling reflection points.
6) Fabric the Walls
7) Install the carpet
8) Install the Light Fixtures
9) Hook Up the Equipment & Calibrate the Room
10) Watch a Movie

After the Holiday, I should be taking daily Pictures of the final stages of completion.

Thanks
Ruben
post #170 of 3744
Correction:

10) organize a big spread of snacks

11) Watch Movie

By the way OTA HD by the networks, or cable or satellite HD feeds are the best images you'll see on that big screen. After I got my projector hooked up it took me about 30 long and painful days to be able to feed the beast a HD signal. You may want to get that on the planning critical path. At least think about OTA.

If it's not too late you may want to run a Quad shield rg6 cable to the attic to pick up the ota stuff if your distance works for you for an in attic antenna.

if you haven't discovered Antennaweb.org yet it is useful to let you know what to expect at your location.
post #171 of 3744
Agreed. The HD OTA is definitely better than the compressed stuff you get from satellite or off the cable.
post #172 of 3744
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Correction:
By the way OTA HD by the networks, or cable or satellite HD feeds are the best images you'll see on that big screen. After I got my projector hooked up it took me about 30 long and painful days to be able to feed the beast a HD signal. You may want to get that on the planning critical path. At least think about OTA.

If it's not too late you may want to run a Quad shield rg6 cable to the attic to pick up the ota stuff if your distance works for you for an in attic antenna.

if you haven't discovered Antennaweb.org yet it is useful to let you know what to expect at your location.

I already Have HD with Direct TV and I have a Zenith HD-SAT520 Tuner Box that I purchased seperately. Would you recommend me getting an additional Attenna Hooked up to get Local HD channels when I am suppose to get them now with My Direct TV service?

One thing I have to Really think about is How I am going to get my Dish Signal to my Theater. My dish is on the Opposite side of the house and at the other End and on the wall near the roof of my second story. That is one hell of a cable feed through the house or one hell of an ugly cable running around the outside of the house.

Any Ideas?

Thanks
Ruben
post #173 of 3744
Ruben, when you subscribe to the locals on DirecTV, that is for the SD channels, not HD. If you are in an area where your local stations are owned and operated by the affiliates (parent company of that network) then you would be able to qualify for a waiver from that station and only that station. The other way to get a waiver for a station is if you cannot get the signal OTA with an antenna. For me, I am 40 miles from the transmitter, so I can only get one waiver, from CBS, since Viacom bought the local CBS station (Viacom owns CBS or the other way around). If you can get the waivers, you would be able to get the network from the East Coast feed, which is based out of NYC.

This is all changing with the launch of the latest satelites from DirecTV that have the ability to send a "Spot beam" of local HD channels for different regions. This roll-out of true local HD channels is happening as I write this, but they are doing the first (I think) 25 top markets, so you need to find out which market you are in. I happen to be in the #18 market, so sometime in the next year, it will be in my area. With this roll-out is the replacement box that you need to get in order to get these new true local broadcasts which is an MPEG-4 decoding box, instead of using the current MPEG-2. There is more compression in MPEG-4, so they can squeeze more channels into one transmitter. DirecTV will be doing promotions in your area to replace your existing box with the new one for free (probably a rebate to make it free and possibly even a contract agreement for a length of time). So, be patient, it's coming.

I think that is all correct, it's hard to keep up with everything.

If you don't want to wait and also don't want to get an MPEG-4 compression, install an antenna so you can get your locals in HD. The OTA image is the best you can get.

As for your long/ugly coax cable run, do your best and if it gets to be too long, you may need to add a pre-amp to your coax.
post #174 of 3744
Oh, also, if you are running coax, I reccomend running two of them, for the sake of using a DVR so you can have dual tuners.
post #175 of 3744
Ruben:

Right now my HD experience with Directv is that I got waivers for the network HD feeds for Fox and NBC. They come in fine. In fact the NY feed of NBC I get via the satellite has 5.1 sound the OTA version of HD NBC is only 2.0. In summary the only Thing that Dtv can offer me on networks is the added feature of 5.1 for NBC.
Big deal! I have the HD package but wish there were more offerings.

Even though I get the Fox network on the sat feed I usually just pick it up with the antenna. ABC,CBS,WB,PBS are available as well with good signal strength.
UPN is too weak to pick up at this time.

OTA is worth the price (equipment only). I was surprized at how small the antenna was. I got the DB4 bowtie ( antennasdirect.com) and it sits near the peak in my attic.

I'm in one of the first 12 markets with the mpeg4 and the new satellite system. I've been following the posts for the guys in Detroit who are the first market to get the new system.

Right now I can't see any advantage in moving to the new system. You have to install a new larger dish (more problems with wind) and there appears to be a number of roll-out bugs and inadequate experience in the field. For that headache I would not get a single additional HD channel. Ok maybe one if you consider UPN a channel. (The what's in it for me? deal) I would just have a 2nd source of my existing OTA.

However once they start adding additional national HD channels that aren't offered in the current HD package then it's a different story.
post #176 of 3744
Also, for those of us with HDTivos - which record both Sat and OTA in HD - there is pretty much zero incentive to go to the new system (until they start offering more sat HD).

Sandman - sorry to hijack your thread here...now resuming proper topic...
post #177 of 3744
One more point on the whole DirecTV thing. It is my assumption (and only that at this time) that once the rollout of MPEG-4 is complete, they will use the additional bandwidth that was being used for the NYC and L.A. HD locals to add more of the other HD networks such as TNT, USA, Encore....

Once again, it is my assumption only and if it does happen as I am guessing, it will be a while since they have to do the full roll-out first.
post #178 of 3744
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all that incredibly valuable Information Guys. I heard that Direct TV put 2 new Satelites up in space and we are suppose to be getting 1,500 HD channels pretty soon. Is this true?
post #179 of 3744
Yes,

1500 = 1480 local network channels rebroadcast into the originating market (Local into Local aka LIL)


20 other HD channels like the MTV HD,

Soon, 5-6 years roll-out I'm guessing.
post #180 of 3744
Yeah, it will take a while for them to really get things sorted out and set-up for what we really want, which is all HD all the time.

Too bad we don't have the a-la-carte packages, I would only ask for about 30 channels total since that's all I ever watch. They could drop the channels that nobody wants and then have more room for more HD...
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