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post #331 of 3744
Hi Reuben,

I am in the process of building my second theater now and probably about the same as you and chinadog into it. I have built my columns as well but attached them to the wall and allowed an airgap between them and the riser/stage. It seemed to me that a lot of people were being careful to allow an airgap between the wall and riser and then attaching columns to the wall and riser in effect causing a short-circuit. How will your columns be attached? Do they come into contact with your riser?

I personally like the size of your columns mine are 12x12 before treatment which will reduce the appearance of them to 11x12.

Great work thus far, I love the ceiling.

I am going to need to post my own construction thread soon and stop lurking!

Rob
post #332 of 3744
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Originally Posted by Rob_McArthur View Post

Hi Reuben,

I am in the process of building my second theater now and probably about the same as you and chinadog into it. I have built my columns as well but attached them to the wall and allowed an airgap between them and the riser/stage. It seemed to me that a lot of people were being careful to allow an airgap between the wall and riser and then attaching columns to the wall and riser in effect causing a short-circuit. How will your columns be attached? Do they come into contact with your riser?

I personally like the size of your columns mine are 12x12 before treatment which will reduce the appearance of them to 11x12.

Great work thus far, I love the ceiling.

I am going to need to post my own construction thread soon and stop lurking!

Rob

Wow, I never heard anything about that. Can you post me a Link of the Thread you read that in? I'm most likely gonna rip the Columns out and do them again anyways.
post #333 of 3744
This is just my own personal opinion based on the fact that I have always heard that you should not tie your riser and stage to the sidewalls. I noticed you had replied to someone that you left a 1/4 airgap between them. It just seemed to me that a lot of people would then fasten the columns to their walls and then rest them on their stage/risers which would allow a mechanical path for vibration from one to the other and a possible source of noise during heavy bass etc. My proscenium also does not touch my stage for the same reason. Maybe I'm just a little anal......ok I know I am. I have over a year of construction in my HT working about 5-6 nights a week, but I'm getting there!

Rob
post #334 of 3744
Sandman, If you decide to redo the columns and make them less deep you could easily just run them through the table saw and cut off the back 1 1/2 inch (two passes) then reattach new supports. Much quicker then rebuilding.
post #335 of 3744
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Sandman, If you decide to redo the columns and make them less deep you could easily just run them through the table saw and cut off the back 1 1/2 inch (two passes) then reattach new supports. Much quicker then rebuilding.

I spoke to chirpie and Found out he used 12" x 18" columns in my theater for the renders. For some reason, they look much smaller in the Renders than in life in my theater.

Unfortunately they are Glued and Nailed good to the wall. So Basically they are gonna have to come out either easy or hard. Also, my dream was to do Half Round Columns originally, but I was never able to find them Locally in the Size I needed. So I just stuck to the Standard Square Columns. My Problem is I don't like to be Standard and I want to go the extra mile to get something I can enjoy forever. The Last thing I want is to sit in the Theater with Columns I did because it was the easy route.

So today I went to Specialty and found some 8" Quarter Rounds so we joined 2 of them together to get our 16" half Round. I built 2 of them to See what they are going to look like in the room before I decide to rip these columns down.

This is pretty much the look I always Liked and this is what I am trying to Achieve with the Panels and Columns except The Columns will be a little bigger in Red Oak Veneer Stained Red with Black/Stainless Steel Insets.

post #336 of 3744
Ruben, while I applaud you for wanting to do things the way you want and not conform to some artificial standard, I have a question. Are you going to have your speakers in the columns? I had thought you were going to, until you started talking about making them half-rounds. Also, what you may want to do with the half-rounds is add some 2" wide strips to them basically to stand them off from the wall, so that when you add your 2" of wall treatment, you don't have to figure out how to fit that to the curve of the 16" round. Does that make any sense?
Here is an image:
post #337 of 3744
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Originally Posted by SVonhof View Post

Ruben, while I applaud you for wanting to do things the way you want and not conform to some artificial standard, I have a question. Are you going to have your speakers in the columns? I had thought you were going to, until you started talking about making them half-rounds. Also, what you may want to do with the half-rounds is add some 2" wide strips to them basically to stand them off from the wall, so that when you add your 2" of wall treatment, you don't have to figure out how to fit that to the curve of the 16" round. Does that make any sense?
Here is an image:

Thanks for your concern SVonhof,

The Half rounds would sit on top of a 2" x 2" on the Drywall. The Speakers going in them are Either Martin Logan Scripts which are 44" tall x 10" wide x 6" deep. Or, I may do the Triad Inwall Surround Silvers for the Columns which are a little under 15" x 15" x 4" to not have such a big Grill. The Surrounds are still an varible option at this point.

Thanks
Ruben
post #338 of 3744
I didn't have time to go check out the ML Scripts, but just make sure that the shape of the speakers will not inhibit the use of them in the shape of the column:


Of course, this is probably not going to be an issue, but figured I would point this out to others for future, so they don't get stuck in a situation where the speakers don't fit right, since you have to take it all into consideration.
post #339 of 3744
Thread Starter 
Here are the Quarter Rounds glued and Nailed together to complete the Half Round.
Our plans are to Bondo & Sand the Front Seam to smooth it out.
Then Veneer the Half Rounds and Router out the Grooves for the Insets. Then Stain,

post #340 of 3744
Thread Starter 
Guys,
What columns do you guys think will look better in our theater?

I really need your help here once again. We Did a quick Column to try to see how the coumns flow with the room. I am stuck between the 2 now. The Round Columns look a little Small and may get lost in the Room, they are 16" Diameter. The Square columns feel to big.

I think the square columns feel to big to me because they are not finished and the room is not finished. I think the Round columns are looking Small because they are next to the Big Square Columns. I think both options will look good regardless once they get Stained and completed properly.

I need to get some help on this one because right now I am Stuck. What do you guys think?







I made the Oak Red in Photoshop in the 2 pictures below. The is not the actual Stain Color.



post #341 of 3744
I love the round colums. I will be copying those
post #342 of 3744
no question, with out a doubt ROUND!
anyone can build a square and everyone does, ROUND!
for the love of god, ROUND

if you look at my album you can see I am a circle fan.
http://kingdome1964.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php
post #343 of 3744
Hi Reuben,

I vote for the square columns because I like balance and symmetry. The round columns are very nice but I feel they would be more suited to a room with more "round" in the room. Most of what I see in your is, like mine, very squared off ie. your soffits, riser, ceiling panels etc. If you had a curved face on your riser a curved ceiling dome and such maybe they would "fit" a little better in my opinion. I also noticed the picture you posted of the theater with round columns had a lot of "round" in it so I think it works. The square columns also come out further under the soffits and look like they are actually supporting the soffit.

Either way I'm sure it will look great!

Just my 1.5 cents.

Rob
post #344 of 3744
Thread Starter 
Thanks Guys for your Responses. My Stage Front, The Soffit Above the Stage and Platform Front all has curves in them. So The Room isn't Completely Squared. But I understand what you mean.

The Typical Square Columns are the Easy way out for Me and the Rounds are not. I just never see Round Columns in Theaters and its a look I like. Also, when my theater gets finished and looks anything like my Renders, I will Still be happy. So either way it's a win, win situation for me. I just like to go the extra mile if it's worth it.

Thanks
Ruben

PS. for the people who wanted me to Post a Step by Step Veneering process, I took pictures and will post it tomorrow (or later today).
post #345 of 3744
I think definately round, especially if you don't like standard stuff. I have not seen renders of your square columns but these definately look amazing. Especially with the black lines.

One question though. How are you planning on dealing with the speaker issue? Will you cut a square area in the middle and put speaker cloth? That will change the look a bit but I'm sure it will look good anyway.

If you decide you want to redo the columns and round does not fit in your room, then take a look at these PeterS columns

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphot.../big/ppuser/83

They are not completely square but have an angled cut towards the front. I love them....
post #346 of 3744
I like the square, BUT its probably because are in the same picture of the round so the round looks out of place and I'm so used to seeing square. I think if you're doing fabric in sections as described that the round will really have a better impact though. With that said, I think that the round would grow on me. If you're trying to achieve that TK design you pointed to, the round will work nicely.

Bud
post #347 of 3744
Ruben,

I like the round myself -- especially the hoizontal bands (which I think you said will be brushed metal inlays). It does look a little more challenging, but the overall look (I think) will be awesome.

One other guy on AVS did some round columns (not sure what his name is). Here is a pic of his HT. His are more rounded on the front with a deep square side.

post #348 of 3744
Ruben, how about you leave room for the columns to be 16" wide and keep working on the room. You can then put in either the round or some 16" wide rectangular columns.

Also, if you are thinking the rounds are going to fade away into the walls, since they don't look as if they are supporting the soffits, why not do what I had shown in the left image that I posted on post #338? The columns will come out from the wall more once everything is complete that way.
post #349 of 3744
Fading away into the walls is all a factor of difference in color and value (light versus dark) between the columns and the adjacent wall not the shape. The bigger the difference the more they stand out.

I'm curious where you are going to put the speakers in that thing. But I like the round.
post #350 of 3744
Ruben...

I love the round columns! It breaks up and otherwise rectangular space with a little softness!

You really moving on your theater!! Keep the pics coming!!

Sean
post #351 of 3744
Sean, I looked at the pics of your "Boom Boom Room". My first question is: Are you married?

The reason I ask is because of the pictures you have on your walls, since my wife would never let me put some nice art-work like that on the walls!
post #352 of 3744
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Originally Posted by SVonhof View Post

Sean, I looked at the pics of your "Boom Boom Room". My first question is: Are you married?

The reason I ask is because of the pictures you have on your walls, since my wife would never let me put some nice art-work like that on the walls!

Sean,

I was thinking the same thing as Scott. Hey, when I was growing up, one of my neighbors (married) had pinups on the garage walls. So I guess the new 21st century garage is the 'ole HT
post #353 of 3744
My two cents is for the square columns it gives the room more balance.


darkman.
post #354 of 3744
SV & swithey...

Yup, I'm married. Actually just got married in June!
It told the wife I wanted to build a Home theater and lounge and wanted a guy lounge. She thought it was a great idea, and she actually bought me the calander that the pictures came from. It was called "Silicone Valley"
The wife wouldn't approve any Playboy kind of pictures, but doesn't mind these ones at all.
Needless to say we don't have kids.

Sean
post #355 of 3744
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all your responses Guys. So it looks like I will do what I really like and a majority of you guys like, the Rounds. Last night I moved them forward to stick out a little further than the Square columns and they looked perfectly sized for the room. It was the depth that was making them look so small. The width on the round columns are 16" and the Square columns widths are 17.5".

This is the Type of ideas I am looking at for doing on the columns...

TOP VIEW

post #356 of 3744
Scott,

I showed your pics to my wife a while back and we really love the tub/club chairs you have and have been looking to replicate your seating arrangement. Did you get the chairs locally?

Thanks, we both love your bar/lounge/cinema arrangement. We are doing the same.
post #357 of 3744
Ruben...

For your last option, are you going to have to modify the columns!?

It seems the other 2 options are very similar.

Peronally, and going with an image in my head, I think the last option would be cleaner look without being busy. But the first 2 might be easier to install.

Sean
post #358 of 3744
Thread Starter 
I'm Thinking Option 1 or 2. Reason why, is because I set one up and I love it. It gives me the round I want also has Square and I can run a black Wood Trim down the Sides of the Columns to break them up from the wall. Also it doesn't look so Small with the block on the Back and it makes it look like its really supporting the Soffit. Of course it will all get veneered so it will almost look like a peice of furniture.

Good Bye Old Columns, Hello New!

post #359 of 3744
Thread Starter 
Hey Sean,

Yes, for the Last Option I would have to extend the Legs of the Columns to make it stick Out more. Either way it's still modifications that need to be done.

The Option 1 & 2 way have much more of a bolder look than option 3.

Thanks
Ruben
post #360 of 3744
I like option #1 or #2 also. You sure are making me think in the same direction for my HT.... round columns, hmmm.

BTW -- You've got PM
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