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post #10141 of 10792
I think you should be fine running it at 80. 100 seems a little high.
post #10142 of 10792
Thanks, I saw the low bass frequency rating for the 2C was 73, which would put 80 pretty tight but I know NHT's ratings are conservative and so I suspected the real low end extension might be more like 65 or so.
post #10143 of 10792
That's just my take on it—certainly it's worth trying both and seeing what you prefer. Are you running the mains full-range or are they subject to the same crossover you're using for the center?
post #10144 of 10792
I don't yet have the TwoC but am contemplating the buy because the present center (Atlantic Tech 2200) I can switch to another smaller room with AT mains. It needs a 120 xover to be really happy, though it could survive with 100 (88 Hz is the =/- 3dbs point). Now running the ATs with the sub and the AT center for HT use. Not sure yet what I will end up doing for stereo music but for now they're xover'd with the sub. It's just a matter of weighing the $$ for benefits, as I am overbudget on the new display and wall mount.
post #10145 of 10792
Any thoughts on whether the Three C is worth the extra $$ performancewise over the Two C? It will be mated with my ATs.
post #10146 of 10792
Hi Trackman,

First off, Matt is correct, 80Hz should be fine. As for the difference between the 2C and 3C, I doubt you will really hear a difference once they are XO'd at 80Hz (at full range, which you should not run them at anyway, the 3C sounds a bit fuller). So, go with the 2C (it is a step above the Absolute Center though, quite a bit in the midrange).

Enjoy!
post #10147 of 10792
I appreciate the advice. Ordering a 2C today!

P.s. I love the AT's!]
post #10148 of 10792
post #10149 of 10792
Just pulled the trigger on a Super Stereo (2xSuper Zero 2.0 and a Super 8 Subwoofer) for my "starter" HT setup. I've had a 50" G25 for over a year with the sound coming out of the TV and have wanted real speakers for a while. Read tons of info and I'm looking forward to hearing these guys. Going with a Denon AVR1613 (which I don't even have yet). For a budget of 800 I think I'm doing pretty good. We're also spending 750 to get the whole setup mounted and cables run above our fireplace thanks to my 1 year old who has a propensity for running into the entertainment center so it kept my speaker/avr budget low. frown.gif But, next year maybe pick up some more super zeros or classic 2s and expand!

If there are any gotchas or advice for such a setup and such an audio noob, I welcome them! Take it easy!
post #10150 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Halophilic View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a Super Stereo (2xSuper Zero 2.0 and a Super 8 Subwoofer) for my "starter" HT setup. I've had a 50" G25 for over a year with the sound coming out of the TV and have wanted real speakers for a while. Read tons of info and I'm looking forward to hearing these guys. Going with a Denon AVR1613 (which I don't even have yet). For a budget of 800 I think I'm doing pretty good. We're also spending 750 to get the whole setup mounted and cables run above our fireplace thanks to my 1 year old who has a propensity for running into the entertainment center so it kept my speaker/avr budget low. frown.gif But, next year maybe pick up some more super zeros or classic 2s and expand!
If there are any gotchas or advice for such a setup and such an audio noob, I welcome them! Take it easy!

As long as your room isn't too big they will sound great.

I'm running 5, plus a Def Tech sub. I use them mostly for movies and TV but they do a good job with music. They would be better if I had more power though. Even with my lower powered AVR I was rocking out to some Rage Against the Machine for an hour or so on Sunday and the little tykes handled it quite well.
post #10151 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Halophilic View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a Super Stereo (2xSuper Zero 2.0 and a Super 8 Subwoofer) for my "starter" HT setup. I've had a 50" G25 for over a year with the sound coming out of the TV and have wanted real speakers for a while. Read tons of info and I'm looking forward to hearing these guys. Going with a Denon AVR1613 (which I don't even have yet). For a budget of 800 I think I'm doing pretty good. We're also spending 750 to get the whole setup mounted and cables run above our fireplace thanks to my 1 year old who has a propensity for running into the entertainment center so it kept my speaker/avr budget low. frown.gif But, next year maybe pick up some more super zeros or classic 2s and expand!
If there are any gotchas or advice for such a setup and such an audio noob, I welcome them! Take it easy!

I still really enjoy my old-school Super Zeroes and accompanying 8" NHT sub—I think you'll be quite happy with them.
post #10152 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Halophilic View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a Super Stereo (2xSuper Zero 2.0 and a Super 8 Subwoofer) for my "starter" HT setup. I've had a 50" G25 for over a year with the sound coming out of the TV and have wanted real speakers for a while. Read tons of info and I'm looking forward to hearing these guys. Going with a Denon AVR1613 (which I don't even have yet). For a budget of 800 I think I'm doing pretty good. We're also spending 750 to get the whole setup mounted and cables run above our fireplace thanks to my 1 year old who has a propensity for running into the entertainment center so it kept my speaker/avr budget low. frown.gif But, next year maybe pick up some more super zeros or classic 2s and expand!
If there are any gotchas or advice for such a setup and such an audio noob, I welcome them! Take it easy!

I bet those will sound great.

The only thing I would consider adding would be a proper center channel. And the need for that would depend on how far off the the sides of the TV the SZ2's will be placed, and whether or not you or anyone sits significantly off axis from the display.

If the SZ2's are close the the edges of the display and you always sit dead center, you can get by w/o a center for the time being.

Brian
post #10153 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Halophilic View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a Super Stereo (2xSuper Zero 2.0 and a Super 8 Subwoofer) for my "starter" HT setup. I've had a 50" G25 for over a year with the sound coming out of the TV and have wanted real speakers for a while. Read tons of info and I'm looking forward to hearing these guys. Going with a Denon AVR1613 (which I don't even have yet). For a budget of 800 I think I'm doing pretty good. We're also spending 750 to get the whole setup mounted and cables run above our fireplace thanks to my 1 year old who has a propensity for running into the entertainment center so it kept my speaker/avr budget low. frown.gif But, next year maybe pick up some more super zeros or classic 2s and expand!
If there are any gotchas or advice for such a setup and such an audio noob, I welcome them! Take it easy!

If I may play devil's advocate here, why not simply get the Absolute On-Walls, then save that $750 from the installation and put that into the 10" or even 12" subs? The AOW has deeper bass extension than the SZ 2.0s to better blend with a sub without localization above 80 Hz. Just a thought.
post #10154 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

If I may play devil's advocate here, why not simply get the Absolute On-Walls, then save that $750 from the installation and put that into the 10" or even 12" subs? The AOW has deeper bass extension than the SZ 2.0s to better blend with a sub without localization above 80 Hz. Just a thought.

My assumption was that the TV mounting and cable routing were the dominant part of that installation cost—although I think the Absolute On-Walls could be a good solution.
post #10155 of 10792
Easy enough!

-soon to be owner
Edited by 3In2Out - 11/21/12 at 11:32am
post #10156 of 10792
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My assumption was that the TV mounting and cable routing were the dominant part of that installation cost—although I think the Absolute On-Walls could be a good solution.

Yeah, my initial wording was unclear sorry. My budget is 800 for the receiver and speakers *because* of the TV/speaker mounting and installation. Otherwise it could have been higher. C'est la vie.

Regarding the center and placement, the speakers will be mounted almost directly adjacent to the TV and the normal sitting location is like 7 feet away. It's a longer room than wide and the TV/Couch are across the short length. A center will have to wait but I'm hopeful the sound will be good. Hell, anything's gotta be better than the TVs built-in speakers we've been running on for a year, right? :P
post #10157 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Halophilic View Post

Yeah, my initial wording was unclear sorry. My budget is 800 for the receiver and speakers *because* of the TV/speaker mounting and installation. Otherwise it could have been higher. C'est la vie.
Regarding the center and placement, the speakers will be mounted almost directly adjacent to the TV and the normal sitting location is like 7 feet away. It's a longer room than wide and the TV/Couch are across the short length. A center will have to wait but I'm hopeful the sound will be good. Hell, anything's gotta be better than the TVs built-in speakers we've been running on for a year, right? :P

My train of thought was that if you add the cost of wall mounts to the cost of the SZ 2.0s, that will likely at least start to approach the cost of the AOWs, so then you may as well just go with those instead. I'd take AOWs over wall mounted SZ 2.0s anytime, but it appears my path for you to get a bigger sub still won't work even if you did that.
post #10158 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Halophilic View Post

Yeah, my initial wording was unclear sorry. My budget is 800 for the receiver and speakers *because* of the TV/speaker mounting and installation. Otherwise it could have been higher. C'est la vie.
Regarding the center and placement, the speakers will be mounted almost directly adjacent to the TV and the normal sitting location is like 7 feet away. It's a longer room than wide and the TV/Couch are across the short length. A center will have to wait but I'm hopeful the sound will be good. Hell, anything's gotta be better than the TVs built-in speakers we've been running on for a year, right? :P

The SuperZeroes image well—you'll be pleased even without a center channel speaker.
post #10159 of 10792
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Originally Posted by mattwardfh View Post

The SuperZeroes image well—you'll be pleased even without a center channel speaker.

For sure. My SZs are about 10ft apart and even when sitting 5ft from the TV while listening to music in stereo I think the center channel is active.
post #10160 of 10792
NHT has the classic 2's on sale for 400 for black gloss and it is tempting, but I always see them as Jan Brady and the three being Marcia....
Edited by unbridled_id - 11/22/12 at 9:26am
post #10161 of 10792
TwoC Center for $279.

Yep.

Give Thanks... smile.gif
post #10162 of 10792
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Originally Posted by defmoot View Post

TwoC Center for $279.
Yep.
Give Thanks... smile.gif

Plus Absolute Towers for $758 per pair with free shipping to boot since that would push the total order to over $500.

Add a 2C to them to complete the front stage and it would be $1037 shipped. I believe it really would be very difficult to top that for an entire brand new front stage with a 3 way center speaker from an authorized dealer for the same or less money, especially when you factor in any additional shipping charges and/or taxes which don't apply here in this case (unless you live in CA), and the cost of speaker stands if necessary.
Edited by 65 Electra Glide - 11/22/12 at 9:41am
post #10163 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

For sure. My SZs are about 10ft apart and even when sitting 5ft from the TV while listening to music in stereo I think the center channel is active.

Are they on stands or already on the wall?
post #10164 of 10792
Free shipping is good on all the black Friday sale items...
post #10165 of 10792
Any recommendations for a cross over point for BIC H100 and Absolute Zeros? I am using the AZs as mains. 100hz?

Sorry if this has been covered, but I couldnt find anything by searching.
post #10166 of 10792
Frequency Response - 71Hz-20kHz on the Zero's...

I have the NHT b-10d and have it set to 90Hz, but that is in a 2 channel setup.
Edited by unbridled_id - 11/27/12 at 1:26pm
post #10167 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

Are they on stands or already on the wall?

On stands with the rear of the speaker about 18" from the wall.

I actually stood right in between them (right up against the TV) while playing music in stereo and I still got good imaging. My only issue with them is I need more power for music.

Maybe after Xmas if there's any money left.
post #10168 of 10792
Just watched MIB3. I had my AVR set to stereo (was listening to music from the PS3).

The imaging/sound stage what have you is so good with these speakers that I didn't know that the AVR was still in stereo until after the movie was over. I could not tell the center speaker was not being used.
And I sit in front of the left speaker. eek.gif

I was wondering why I wasn't hearing anything from the surrounds rolleyes.gif

Great little speakers.
post #10169 of 10792
Been away for a while and am looking for an X2 clone for my Classic 4s, which are part of a classic surround system. I can get Outlaw's 2200s to stand in for the A1s, but not sure what to get that would be similar to the X2 crossover???
post #10170 of 10792
I posted this in the Yamaha A2000 thread, but got the response that "receivers don't include main in's anymore and you should not rely on the evolution X1 for your bass management." What do you say, NHT experts? I love my Evolution setup and just want to make sure I'm getting the most out of it.

Is anyone using an A2000 or A3000 with NHT's old Evolution speaker / amp setup? I just upgraded from an DSP-A1 (which was an AMAZING piece of equipment) to the A2000, and setup is a little different. The DSP-A1 had both pre-out and main in terminals in the back. I'd send the front left and right signals from the A1's pre-outs to the evolution X1 crossover, and then return the signal back to the A1's main in inputs. This allowed the X1 crossover to handle all of the bass management for my speakers / subs.

The A2000 has the font left / right inputs for the multichannel input, but it doesn't look like there's an equivalent for a straight "main in." I'd rather have the NHT crossover handle all of the bass management, instead of the A2000, but it looks like I'm limited to only being able to send the LFE / sub out signal to from the A2000 to the X1 crossover.
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