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post #10381 of 10792
Alphaiii,

Agreed ^^^^ Velodyne makes some great products. I've always liked their subs. And, at the sale prices, they are a steal!
post #10382 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Happy Thanksgiving to You All!!! Have a safe and fun one!

Randall,

You can get away with the Fours much closer to the wall. I have the same problem of limited space and called NHT to confirm. They said 6" was fine, which is where I have mine with no issues of port noise. The port is so large that you hardly feel air moving unless you run your speakers "large" with heavy bass material (even then, it's fine at 6"). This was before I put broadband traps all across that wall, which are 4". So the back of the speaker is now only 2" from the traps - again, with no issues.

Thanks, that's about the distance I'd like to keep. Just saw that NHT has started its Black Friday sale again. Last year I remember the deals being better, maybe they'll drop the prices more tomorrow? I have a Outlaw sub and looking to grab another. So the bass is covered, mainly looking for nice sounding vocals and movie dialogue and clear highs. Do I need the 4's? I originally was thinking about just getting the 3's but I contacted NHT and they recommended Absolute tower over the bookshelf.
post #10383 of 10792
You know, Auburn really isn't that far away.. :-P
post #10384 of 10792
Lol, yes I do but I'd feel bad if I came up and didn't end up buying yours. I don't like wasting anyone's time. You have 7 speakers for sale right now?
post #10385 of 10792
Randall,

To be honest, the deal that Jephdood has just can't be beat if you're within driving distance. The speakers are well built and will last a lifetime. Back in the day, surrounds for drivers would fail, but they don't anymore. Also, if you buy his whole set for $2k, you're getting over $6k worth of speakers, even with the Black Friday deals (he's selling the set for the price of just the Fours). I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. I've sold many of my NHT's in the past (went through many of them) and would easily buy used ones that are well taken care of. I'd most likely be trading up to the next series if NHT had one...The fact that Jephdood wants you to see them in person says that they are well cared for (and you can't beat in in-person audition).

Just my opinion!!!
post #10386 of 10792
Last year BF sale was almost 50% off. Not sure if they'll do that or not this year.
post #10387 of 10792
Well, I tried. Think I'll just keep them.
post #10388 of 10792
I actually just sent you a PM.
post #10389 of 10792
So talking with the wife and she likes the smaller speakers (Classic 3's) vs the 4's. So would I be losing much if any if I went with Classic 3's for L&R with ThreeC center? IF I go this route she won't mind a 2nd Outlaw subwoofer in there.

Good, bad?

If I can make the deal with the local, I could use the 4's on there own in my game room.
post #10390 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

So talking with the wife and she likes the smaller speakers (Classic 3's) vs the 4's. So would I be losing much if any if I went with Classic 3's for L&R with ThreeC center? IF I go this route she won't mind a 2nd Outlaw subwoofer in there.

Good, bad?

If I can make the deal with the local, I could use the 4's on there own in my game room.

The Threes for the front L/R would work Great, especially if adding a second sub. If you're crossing over at 80 Hz anyway, there is nothing really lost compared to the Fours. Then as you stated, you can use the Fours in another room. If you are running the Fours in another room without a sub (i.e. running full range), you do want decent amplification. Keep in mind that most of the power goes to the bass and the Fours really do hit at 25 Hz, so a wimpy AVR won't have the power to do that (not an issue when XO to a sub that takes over the bass amplification load). Keep us posted with your endeavor and post some pics when all set up (and your opinions).
post #10391 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

The Threes for the front L/R would work Great, especially if adding a second sub. If you're crossing over at 80 Hz anyway, there is nothing really lost compared to the Fours. Then as you stated, you can use the Fours in another room. If you are running the Fours in another room without a sub (i.e. running full range), you do want decent amplification. Keep in mind that most of the power goes to the bass and the Fours really do hit at 25 Hz, so a wimpy AVR won't have the power to do that (not an issue when XO to a sub that takes over the bass amplification load). Keep us posted with your endeavor and post some pics when all set up (and your opinions).

Thanks for the reply.

So the 3's would work just fine? I'm more than happy with the bass now but with going to bookshelfs she has ok'd the second sub. I've been trying to look up to see if there would be any frequency that would be missed but can't find that much info. NHT said get the Absolute tower, but the 3's look like they have a better frequency range over the towers.

The other room isn't a huge concern. It's only for football games and stuff. I think I've been in there once this month. When it's a good game the wife likes to watch. BTW what a finish to the Auburn game!!!
post #10392 of 10792
What stands are you all using with your 3's? What ones should I stay away from (brands)?
post #10393 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

So the 3's would work just fine? I'm more than happy with the bass now but with going to bookshelfs she has ok'd the second sub. I've been trying to look up to see if there would be any frequency that would be missed but can't find that much info. NHT said get the Absolute tower, but the 3's look like they have a better frequency range over the towers.

I am finally ready to get my NHT speakers.....but I am struggling between the the C3s and the Absolute Towers. My setup will be 2 channel only, but I prefer to get floor-standing speakers in this case. I was kind of underwhelmed by NHT's low frequency specs for the ATs, but the below measurements from Home Theater magazine seem to indicate NHT's specs are very conservative....

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/test-report-nht-absolute-51t-speaker-system-page-4

Still haven't decided yet.
post #10394 of 10792
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Originally Posted by ematcion View Post

I am finally ready to get my NHT speakers.....but I am struggling between the the C3s and the Absolute Towers. My setup will be 2 channel only, but I prefer to get floor-standing speakers in this case. I was kind of underwhelmed by NHT's low frequency specs for the ATs, but the below measurements from Home Theater magazine seem to indicate NHT's specs are very conservative....

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/test-report-nht-absolute-51t-speaker-system-page-4

Still haven't decided yet.

Is there a reason you want a tower speaker over a bookshelf?
post #10395 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

Thanks for the reply.

So the 3's would work just fine? I'm more than happy with the bass now but with going to bookshelfs she has ok'd the second sub. I've been trying to look up to see if there would be any frequency that would be missed but can't find that much info. NHT said get the Absolute tower, but the 3's look like they have a better frequency range over the towers.

The other room isn't a huge concern. It's only for football games and stuff. I think I've been in there once this month. When it's a good game the wife likes to watch. BTW what a finish to the Auburn game!!!

The Threes do have a better low freq response than the AT's, but the AT's can put out more energy due to more piston area in the mid range. If you are crossing over at 80Hz, then you will not be missing any info in the freq range. To be honest, either speaker is easy to live with, they both sound great.
post #10396 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

What stands are you all using with your 3's? What ones should I stay away from (brands)?

As long as you are using a good solid stand, any will work. The ones NHT sells (Sanus) work very well (can be found on many other sites also).

I'm using ones from Metal Technology, which was a division of Wood Technology. I don't think they are in production any more (not sure why, they are very heavy and solid). Maybe the profit margin was not as good as their wood version - always comes down to what people buy. I'm using 4 of these (Surrounds for Threes and Wides for Twos). Here is what they look like:



As far as other brands I have used that make good stands (remember, there are Many out there that would work beyond this list):

Sanus
Lovan
VTI
Bello

The most important factor for you is to make sure the top plate is larger than the width of the rails of the NHT's. When you have a flat speaker bottom (pretty much all other speakers on the market) then it's not an issue, but with NHT there is no choice.
post #10397 of 10792
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Originally Posted by ematcion View Post

I am finally ready to get my NHT speakers.....but I am struggling between the the C3s and the Absolute Towers. My setup will be 2 channel only, but I prefer to get floor-standing speakers in this case. I was kind of underwhelmed by NHT's low frequency specs for the ATs, but the below measurements from Home Theater magazine seem to indicate NHT's specs are very conservative....

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/test-report-nht-absolute-51t-speaker-system-page-4

Still haven't decided yet.

Ematcion,

Yes, the specs are a bit more conservative for the AT's but as mentioned above, the Threes will dig deeper and the AT's will give you more output. It also comes down to preference - some prefer the sound of the AT's better and others the Threes (I fall into the latter). Bottom line though is you need a sub if you want a 'full' sounding system, even if running a 2 channel system. If you don't want to use a sub, then the Fours are the way to go.

Randall,

Just an FYI, some people do prefer towers more than bookshelves on stand as far as aesthetics are concerned (not sure if the case with Ematcion). Even though I can do anything I want in my 'man cave' I ask my wife for her opinions (she has an interior design background) and she prefer s towers over bookshelves on stands for looks (she thinks bookshelves on stands look 'top heavy' while towers look more 'balanced'). So, nothing to do with sound, just aesthetics. If I had a choice (and the funds), I'd go with tower all the way around - of course I'd need the room size to go with it which I also don't have.
post #10398 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post


Randall,

Just an FYI, some people do prefer towers more than bookshelves on stand as far as aesthetics are concerned (not sure if the case with Ematcion). Even though I can do anything I want in my 'man cave' I ask my wife for her opinions (she has an interior design background) and she prefer s towers over bookshelves on stands for looks (she thinks bookshelves on stands look 'top heavy' while towers look more 'balanced'). So, nothing to do with sound, just aesthetics. If I had a choice (and the funds), I'd go with tower all the way around - of course I'd need the room size to go with it which I also don't have.

Well maybe I should of decided on the 3's all along. I don't mind if it's a little top heavy wink.gif
post #10399 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

As long as you are using a good solid stand, any will work. The ones NHT sells (Sanus) work very well (can be found on many other sites also).

I'm using ones from Metal Technology, which was a division of Wood Technology. I don't think they are in production any more (not sure why, they are very heavy and solid). Maybe the profit margin was not as good as their wood version - always comes down to what people buy. I'm using 4 of these (Surrounds for Threes and Wides for Twos). Here is what they look like:



As far as other brands I have used that make good stands (remember, there are Many out there that would work beyond this list):

Sanus
Lovan
VTI
Bello

The most important factor for you is to make sure the top plate is larger than the width of the rails of the NHT's. When you have a flat speaker bottom (pretty much all other speakers on the market) then it's not an issue, but with NHT there is no choice.

Thanks. I was actually looking at 3 out of the 4 you posted. Just didn't know if there was a set dollar amount to determine the quality. Don't want to skimp on these and have them fall and damage my speakers. Is the dimensions of the rails on NHT's website?
post #10400 of 10792
Randall, the rails are 4.75 in. apart and 8.25 in. long

It's okay if those long rails hang over the stand's top plate front and back... you just want to make sure your top plate is wide enough (> 4.75 in.)
post #10401 of 10792
Thanks, I think we are going to go with these ones.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VTI-DF-Black-s-Speaker-Stand-29-Inch-/220956734128?pt=US_Speaker_Mounts_Stands&hash=item33720c32b0

Read quite a few reviews and the majority are good. Anyone have these? Complaints? We want black stands, metal preferably and with hidden speaker wire.
post #10402 of 10792
Randall,

You can also get them from Wayfair.com for the same price with free shipping (they have others also to look at):

http://www.wayfair.com/VTI-DF-Series-29-Fixed-Height-Speaker-Stand-Set-of-2-DF-VI1163.html

VTI's are pretty good. You can run your speaker wire through the tube (if kept empty). Another option is to let the speaker run on the outside and use to reams of velcro to hold it in place behind the stand, that way you can sand-fill the stand to increase stability. But, if you really want to hid the wires, just run them inside.

Here is another option (one of the tubs had holes for running wire also):

http://www.wayfair.com/VTI-RF-Series-29-Fixed-Height-Speaker-Stand-Set-of-2-RF-VI1167.html

Here is a Sanus option:

http://www.wayfair.com/Sanus-Steel-Foundations-30-Fixed-Height-Speaker-Stand-Set-of-2-SF30-b-SY0064.html

Version from Bello (pretty stylish):

http://www.wayfair.com/Bello-Heavy-Duty-30-Fixed-Height-Speaker-Stand-Set-of-2-SP-300-BB1131.html


Again, lots of choices!
post #10403 of 10792
I didn't know if I could post Wayfair links on here. Thanks for the other options.
post #10404 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

Thanks, I think we are going to go with these ones.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VTI-DF-Black-s-Speaker-Stand-29-Inch-/220956734128?pt=US_Speaker_Mounts_Stands&hash=item33720c32b0

Read quite a few reviews and the majority are good. Anyone have these? Complaints? We want black stands, metal preferably and with hidden speaker wire.

I own the 36" version and am very happy with them. They are cast iron and very heavy, providing a nice stable base for my surrounds. The base has adjustable feet in case your floor isn't even (I have hardwoods) and there is cable management inside.
post #10405 of 10792
Good to know, I just ordered some. What did you use to fill the stands with?
post #10406 of 10792
Used to own some. Nice stands. Kinda look like duck feet tho. Maybe that's what the "DF" stands for? :-)

If you're serious about fill material, go with lead shot. Dry sand is okay too. I've also filled stands with pea gravel before.
post #10407 of 10792
Another option to fill stands is the cheapest cat litter you can get - it's made of clay granules which are dense and it'll be very dry (also, make sure it does not have any 'scent').
As jephdood stated, lead shot is the best, but very expensive.

Keep in mind, if you fill your stand, you won't be able to run your wires internally.
post #10408 of 10792
Sure you can. Just run the wires first.
post #10409 of 10792
Hmmm, haven't done that before myself as I usually seal the bottom hole before filling with hot glue so so it won't leak out of what ever is used to fill it. But, I can see that it would work.
post #10410 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Another option to fill stands is the cheapest cat litter you can get - it's made of clay granules which are dense and it'll be very dry (also, make sure it does not have any 'scent').
As jephdood stated, lead shot is the best, but very expensive.

Keep in mind, if you fill your stand, you won't be able to run your wires internally.

Well I saw this review on these stands and that's the main reason I bought them. There is a separate area for the speaker wire, well at least it looks like it from the pictures.
http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/stereo-2.jpg

Hopefully mine are like this too. If not, I guess I'll just have to deal with it. In this review the guy used sandwich bags filled with sand for weight. When they say "sand" is it just any old sand I can find at Home Depot?

Thanks.
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