Originally Posted by tonygeno
I agree with everything you say. I have read the Weitl article several times. Unfortunately, I don't have a dedicated theater room and placement options are restricted as there are bookcases in the way of sub placement. One of the compromises I had to make.
Now that you mention it Tony, I do recall reading something you posted a while back about the challenges you faced with your sub placement. Most of us do have compromises of some sort to live with; other than the fortunate ones here with dedicated theater spaces. While useful to consider, I don't think the Welti research was ever intended to provide any absolute answers on placement (too many variables for that), but it can be instructional to those experimenting with sub placement in their own space.
Even if your sub placement is not as optimal for your space as is theoretically possible -- were you willing to refurnish -- I'll bet it still sounds pretty darn good. And really, isn't that what most of us are after? I'm just as guilty as many here are, when it comes to obsessing about things like this, and sometimes that does take some of the fun out of the hobby. Avoiding gross errors is good, but worrying about relatively small differences is mostly an exercise in futility, especially when the required changes are not easily accommodated.
I guess I should have said "Sound better to me given my placement options".
I wasn't trying to single you out for that comment Tony, as much as I was wanting to help the less well informed here to get a better handle on the subject.
That said, I don't think that sitting the M6s on top of the W1s in the middle of the room would ever be a very good compromise. YMMV.
I didn't get from the earlier posts, that anyone was thinking about placing W1s in "the middle of the room". In the Moncreiff review, he did play with positioning W1s further in to the room, and running multiple W1s -- even suggesting readers might want to have a W1 for every M6 used (which Welti noted can be problmeatic). He also played with laying the W1 on its side, so that the driver was closer to the floor; and still setting an M6 on top, with the suggestion of using a low slung chair. Not exactly practical advice for most, but he did note relatively low placement (using the W1 as a stand) did provide better than expected results.
While there are some tradeoffs involved with positioning subs away from a room boundary; I have observed that T5/T6 owners will often position their towers for optimal imaging; and most often, the towers end up being positioned several feet from the front wall. Which brings us back to one of the bigger plusses of the sub/satellite concept: being able to position the subs where do the most good. Rarely ever are subs placed in the same spot where the monitors sound the best. Using subs for speaker stands is, no doubt, a compromise where it comes creating the best possible bass. However, it does offer a workable compromise for some situations; and sometimes you just have to go with what works.