New NHT Classic line to replace Super Audio - Page 21

Bah! Availability doesn't matter, only reputed performance!

Laughing keeps us from crying...

I plan on calling them(NHT) again today just to tell them how piss poor there credibility is at this point.They can kiss my ass,the lying a-holes.

Has NHT ever offered a reason for the delay? Did the manufacturing plant blow up or something?

I'd heard at one point that it was the dome array manufacturer, which has long been an issue. It makes sense since all of the non-array speakers have been available and relatively on schedule too. But the 2C has been shipping, the 3C is in California somewhere overdue for arrival (predicted tomorrow now), the Three is supposedly out of production and is either on the way or is being prepared to be air freighted. The Four is supposed to be in production now, the iW4 which is last on the list is supposed to go into production next week. However, I'll see if I can get ahold of someone a few levels up today or tomorrow so I can get a logistical map of this. This is based on stuff I got out of them a few days ago.

Couldn't it be something other than LYING?

Charlie is just discovering that wonderful love/hate relationship we dealers have with NHT Well, my sales guy *did* lie to me, probably to get me off his ass, but that's not typical. I have to get him pretty pissed off before he said that, but I think he was just trying to get rid of me. The bad thing is that NHT personnel don't react well under stress, must be a "left coast" thing. However, they constantly put themselves (and all of us) in situations where there will be high amounts of stress. I'm trying to get them to stop that habit, but it's like trying to convince a smoker to quit. In any case, I think he's referring to the small of amount of Threes that *did* show up and *did* get delivered, but it wasn't even enough to cover demos for 20% of the dealer base. They did happen, it's just that it wasn't terribly useful. They probably wanted to get a pilot run done before going into mass production. Or, just as likely, they only had a very small amount of dome arrays available from the vendor with which to build them. Apparently that is no longer an issue, but shipping, receiving, customs, etc is, as always.

Continuing to watch this thread, I'm really glad I've placed my order for the Viejo Classic series speakers (Evolution M6/L5/U2) for my HT. At least I know what they sound like, and not just from John's perspective.

Glad you've found something you have heard and like.

This whole thing is making me feel viejisimo. But, crossing fingers, I've been told as of yesterday by as high up as it gets that my 3Cs were shipping by today and my Threes by Monday.

Promises, Promises, Promises, Lies, Lies, Lies. What more would you want to hear coming from a company with the letters NHT and what it stands for, HOW HEAR THIS You're hearing it alright, NHT is nothing more than a worthless company placing you the buyer at the end of their butt's and you are allowing them to sh-t all over you

Pull out while you can

John you should be ashamed of yourself, continuing to make these promises of their arrival...

Wake up. It's all just a dream.

Wow......From the tone of your post, I think you need to find yourself a new hobby.

coues,
damn man lay off a bit,its not his fault,blame NHT(Never Hear Truth).He is just a messenger.He says what hes told.Sure,I wish we could believe it but,based on past performance from NHT Im not holding my breath.Thats why Ive asked for M5's as a backup plan in case it turns out to be more BS from NHT.John,some of us appreciate you and understand who is rightfully to blame.I just hope the Threes are what you've said they are from your brief sessions with them.

Thats what happens when you have products made in China. If everyone wasn't such a bunch of cheap asses, the speakers could be made here and cost 3X as much. But then you guys wouldn't buy them.

I don't see NHT running around in public making release dates. Only one dealer. Maybe John can get upset but then maybe he shouldn't have been pushing products that aren't available. Get a grip peeps. My local NHT dealer has never given my availability dates and I'm a good customer.

Well FYI they damn sure told me @ NHT that the Threes were shipping in late Feb.Then they told me early March,then they said late March,then I gave up asking them anything cuz it was all ********.So,while it wAsnt "publicly",they still gave falso information on availability.NHT is to blame,not John.Get your facts straight before you start accusing people.

MC, all I have ever done is answer questions to the best of my knowledge. Yes, I was repeating bad information, but that's all I had. If they say "three weeks", I said "three weeks". If someone asks and I *think* I know the answer, why wouldn't I tell what I know?

NHT4LIFE,

You have been the BUTT of this joke nearly 6 months. Maybe John and his company are not as tite with NHT as he claims. I know it's nearly been 2 months when you made this promise that they (SPEAKERS) would be in your hands within days.

I m sorry that you have been tortured and made a fool of in an open forum by someone that continues to make claims that he will have the speakers next Monday. Hell if I had a dollar for every time John has made this statement I would have enough to purchase a set of NHT, but I would not own the damn speakers after this mess...

It's amazing that ONE person has made this mess in these forums. His crediability to deliver is playing out in these forums by his continued support for a speaker that nobody has heard or seen. I doubt that John has ever heard or seen these speakers in person.

I dont consider myself a "foul"???errr u meant "fool" i suppose.A fool would be someone who chooses to purchase B&W's instead of NHT's.I still have my NHT SB-3's,so Im not speakerless.John already has discussed the option of going with NHT M5's if next week the Classics are still "Phantoms".Hell I wouldnt expect him to be "tite"errrr I think you meant "tight" with those dickwads(NHT) after they pulled him along like the rest of us only 10X worse.For someone being so mad you sure seem to keep up with this thread.May I ask why?

John, it wasn't my intent to throw blame your way.

Only one dealer. Maybe John can get upset but then maybe he shouldn't have been pushing products that aren't available

Doesnt look that way to me.

STFU Your the one throwing blame everywhere. Your acting like a 12 year old who can't have his candy. Get a life. Its a speaker. L.

Perhaps, but he knows something that you don't. If you call him an idiot, add "savant" at the end. You'll figure it out later.
Uhhh, yeah, I think you *might* have enough to buy a 6-pack of cheap American beer.
The word is "credibility". In any case, I have heard and seen them and it appears that the sooner these come, the more threatened you feel. I support them because they are technically excellent at a stupidly low price, for no other reason. In any case, you'll find out the hard and expensive way, I guess. And I shall be one of those laughing at this point, especially when you see the trade ins for these.

My faults for relying on spell check, kinda like your fault for believing in NHT and the BULL SH-T. Seems to me you should have learned something in all these post that you have made, and that is stop playing head games with those that are putting trust in you. You're like the kid that cries wolf, at some point no one is going to believe you and trust you.


I am not mad at all, I guess the the reason I continue to drop by is to see when the bleeding is going to stop for those that remain and want to purchase from John. Sorry for calling you a fool... Personally I hope your saga comes to an end soon. You have been patiently waiting for months and I hope the speaker lives up to legendary remarks John has placed on the speakers.

I can't wait to read the reviews that await the 3C's and get another take on the entire line of Classic's. It's been so one sided for so long that the speakers have became famous in one mans eyes.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but does anyone doubt that the reviews of those people that have continued to wait will be stellar?

The "It was SO worth the wait" kind of reviews.
Not directing this at NHT, but it is this way for all of these situations, Blind devotion.
Even if it isn't the "second coming" we're dressed for it so let's convince ourselves that it IS the second coming.
Again, this has played out before with other brands, nothing against this product.

This is why I welcome a non-bias review where the reviewer has nothing to gain from the review outside of giving straight to the point tested review. Nobody wants to eat crow after such remarks that have been given on the 3C's, but I bet were all about to find out sometime in the future just where these overseas (Chinese) speakers stack up My bet is they will be the $400.00 speaker they are intended to be, middle of the road John has already stated that the NHT line is all he pushes and has tried them all, so how can he not promote them Maybe he can not entertain any other brands in his shop, so to turn a buck he has to live and breathe NHT. The sad part is so many others are taking his word, when in fact they should be testing these speakers using their AMP's in their environment to music of their interest...

How many of you would go buy a NEW or USED car without taking a test drive first and looking under the hood? I know I would not. Your looking at dropping over $3000.00 for 4 - 3C's, Center, and SUB

Take a test drive guys and gals, its your ears that need to be pleased not someones bank account...

Man, the jealousy factor is going through the roof

I don't see Charlie is as blindly devoted as his excitement might seem. He already has SB3s and likes them a lot. The Threes simply take that and add more resolution and a bigger soundstage/sweetspot, which is exactly what they need to be truly amazing speakers. The SB3s has been one of Stereophile's reference speakers for about 2 years now.

The magic of the Three is exactly that it is *not* yet another 2-way 6.5" bookshelf speaker. It has more in common with the B&W Nautilus speaker or the Vivid Audio line than a conventional 2-way. The design is well-grounded in acoustic engineering with design features that you'd normally only find in very expensive, exotic speakers. I guess the only people who wouldn't be excited would be people who don't want them to be better than their favorite speakers. Still, even with extreme technical excellence, you still have to like them. I checked out a Triumph today that's probably better than just about any Ducati, but it just doesn't feel right to me whereas the Ducati does (and I suspect old Ducati owners would feel right at home). Subjectivity still rules. But it's not a big stretch to assume that existing NHT owners will love the Three. As for everyone else, who knows?

coues,
thanks you for apologizing,apology accepted.

tweeterex,
trust me when I say I will be NON BIASED.I have waited for 3 months for the speakers with alot of high hopes and after all the false promises by NHT my "personal" review will be very judgemental of them.I would have been easier on the Threes if they would have shown up when they(NHT) said they would.Now,Im a little hot over this and if they dont blow me away Im gonna feel like a chump and will be honest about it here.I have absolutely nothing to gain by giving them a dishonest review.

Mad Chemist,
How about you STFU. So....Are you saying that my posts put blame "everywhere" ??? ********....Just @ NHT Marketing Geniuses.Your the one throwing blame everywhere.
Your acting like a 12 year old who can't have his candy.....Seems like the only true statement in your last couple of posts.But when I finally get my candy Ill hopefully be smiling from ear to ear.

Think we can have a truce for a week til they actually get here? All this is pretty theoretical anyway. My listening, with no ability to compare and in foreign acoustics, left me thinking that these are somewhere between "just another good value, recommended for audition" and "giant killer, must audition", but my opinion doesn't count anyway, so hopefully in a few weeks people will have had a chance to listen, compare, judge. I mean, really, all I noticed from listening was that I didn't notice any notable coloration or harshness, which was my main concern. So, hopefully we can all just take a deep breath, relax, and then start fighting again next week. How about that?

Whats the fun in that ? LOL Thats a pretty darn good idea.