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post #9931 of 10792
I can't believe it, but my Outlaw 950 prepro will no longer turn on. Just happened yesterday. I called Outlaw and they will repair, cost about ~200 with shipping. They really have excellent service on what they sell. Since the 950 is almost 10 years old I decided to purchase an interim AVR. I found a Yamaha Rx-A700 (bottom Aventage Line) on sale at Amazon for $400 (list ~650). A nice feature with the A700 is it has all the pre-outs (7.2) to hook into my external amp, backed by a 3 year warrantee and HDMI switching. That should hold me until the Outlaw is out later this year.

-Bob
post #9932 of 10792
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Originally Posted by bob_m10 View Post

I can't believe it, but my Outlaw 950 prepro will no longer turn on. Just happened yesterday. I called Outlaw and they will repair, cost about ~200 with shipping. They really have excellent service on what they sell. Since the 950 is almost 10 years old I decided to purchase an interim AVR. I found a Yamaha Rx-A700 (bottom Aventage Line) on sale at Amazon for $400 (list ~650). A nice feature with the A700 is it has all the pre-outs (7.2) to hook into my external amp, backed by a 3 year warrantee and HDMI switching. That should hold me until the Outlaw is out later this year.

-Bob

Bob, if you can, cancel that Yamaha ASAP and order a new Sherwood R972 with Trinnov from A4L for only $200 more. That AVR originally retailed for like $1800 or so. It has pre-outs, HDMI switching, and 3 year warranty too, and is in a whole other class entirely as far as sound quality. Since you already have the Outlaw amp, you could actually have Trinnov set up in two rooms using the AVR's amps in one and the Outlaw in the other, or have 5.1 or 7.1 in one room and 2-channel in another. The possibilities are only limited by imagination.

LINK
post #9933 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

Bob, if you can, cancel that Yamaha ASAP and order a new Sherwood R972 with Trinnov from A4L for only $200 more. That AVR originally retailed for like $1800 or so. It has pre-outs, HDMI switching, and 3 year warranty too, and is in a whole other class entirely as far as sound quality. Since you already have the Outlaw amp, you could actually have Trinnov set up in two rooms using the AVR's amps in one and the Outlaw in the other, or have 5.1 or 7.1 in one room and 2-channel in another. The possibilities are only limited by imagination.

LINK

Sold out but thanks. Isn't this the one Outlaw was teaming up with for their failed processor? Bob

http://ubb.outlawaudio.com/ubbthread...2784#Post82784
post #9934 of 10792
Interesting article Bod. I did not know that.

As 65EG mentions, A4Less is a pretty good site. I've purchased several items from them with no issues.

Sorry about your pre-pro. Have you contacted Outlaw to get an ETA on their new Pre-Pro? I wonder if they are teaming with another company on the build (using their amp circuitry of course).
post #9935 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Interesting article Bod. I did not know that.

As 65EG mentions, A4Less is a pretty good site. I've purchased several items from them with no issues.

Sorry about your pre-pro. Have you contacted Outlaw to get an ETA on their new Pre-Pro? I wonder if they are teaming with another company on the build (using their amp circuitry of course).

Folks are begging Outlaw for an update in the Saloon but they remain silent. My guess is it will not be out until the summer. I would think they need to hit the market before EMottiva's release.
Bob
post #9936 of 10792
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Originally Posted by bob_m10 View Post

Sold out but thanks. Isn't this the one Outlaw was teaming up with for their failed processor? Bob

http://ubb.outlawaudio.com/ubbthread...2784#Post82784

To quote the great Homer Simpson - DOHHHHHH! Sorry you missed out on that one Bob, that was the AVR deal of the new millennium so far.

Yes, that was the one which the Outlaw platform was to be based upon. One of the things Outlaw mentioned in that post you linked was HDMI 1.4, which Sherwood was evidently able to bring with an update. All issues the R972 originally had have now been eliminated for the most part by firmware, and it is now stable. Too bad Outlaw abandoned it when they did. If they hadn't, it would likely be on the market and stable right now.
post #9937 of 10792
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Originally Posted by bob_m10 View Post

Folks are begging Outlaw for an update in the Saloon but they remain silent. My guess is it will not be out until the summer. I would think they need to hit the market before EMottiva's release.
Bob

Well, that may not be too long if it'll bring you exactly what you want. But, waiting can be hard...
post #9938 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Well, that may not be too long if it'll bring you exactly what you want. But, waiting can be hard...

I think he will get a $200 trade in credit on his old processor. That will help make the wait a little more bearable.
post #9939 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

I think he will get a $200 trade in credit on his old processor. That will help make the wait a little more bearable.

Very true...unless he wants to move the 'old' one to another room. Seems like that's what happens at my house. Even my 5yo son has a 2.1 system in his room, nothing expensive. The AVR was a Marantz SR3001 re-ferb for under $200. He's happy with it (he actually has the attention span to listen to music for over an hour - especially in our main media room and claps between songs).
post #9940 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Very true...unless he wants to move the 'old' one to another room. Seems like that's what happens at my house. Even my 5yo son has a 2.1 system in his room, nothing expensive. The AVR was a Marantz SR3001 re-ferb for under $200. He's happy with it (he actually has the attention span to listen to music for over an hour - especially in our main media room and claps between songs).

Does he yell "Play some Skynyrd man!" yet?
post #9941 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

Does he yell "Play some Skynyrd man!" yet?

Ha...do you mean Skylanders? We just got him a Wii for this past X-mass and some games, including Skylander. But, it's not attached to the living room - it's in the living room on a smaller display for stuff like games. He knows not to use the media room without an adult yet (some sensitive, easy to break equipment).
post #9942 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

The Revel F12's do have a wide front baffle, have you heard the Salon's? Their baffle is narrow. They are incredibly seductive speakers...

I missed this the first time around, but the F12's front baffle is narrower than the Salon's and Studio's are by more than an inch.
post #9943 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

I missed this the first time around, but the F12's front baffle is narrower than the Salon's and Studio's are by more than an inch.

And so it is, the Salon Ultimas 'look' like a narrower baffle due to the shape. There were no F12's in stock when I was listening to the Salons. The Salons are actually pretty big speakers (fairly deep) but because of the shape of the baffle, do not seem intrusive.
post #9944 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

And so it is, the Salon Ultimas 'look' like a narrower baffle due to the shape. There were no F12's in stock when I was listening to the Salons. The Salons are actually pretty big speakers (fairly deep) but because of the shape of the baffle, do not seem intrusive.

Yeah, the Ultimas sure do look sexy, don't they? Especially when compared to the Concertas.

I think the Absolute Towers also look great. Classic Fours too judging from the pics of them.
post #9945 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

My ideal speaker from NHT would be a fully sealed and powered (like the Xd's). If you ever heard them, they were absolutely amazing. They had an incredible sound stage that just outdid any other speaker I've heard. Since it had full DSP and electronic XO's, their XO's were set at 96db/octave (very steep - basically a brick wall XO) which let them optimize for the drivers used. The cabinets were also immaculately built. The only issue - the color was Ugly IMO. They were also expensive, so did not sell well and most folks still want to control the amplifier portion (AVR or outboard amps). In the studio world, almost everyone used powered monitors where the amps and XOs are optimized for the drivers and cabinets.

Per NHT's FB page, they now have 3 final Xd dual sub sets for sale for $4800 each when a single sub system advertised as new in box just closed for a little over $500 plus $300 shipping on ebay.

Hmm Not that I would buy it even if I could afford it but I wonder how a 6.6 Xd system would sound with Trinnov?
post #9946 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

Yeah, the Ultimas sure do look sexy, don't they? Especially when compared to the Concertas.

I think the Absolute Towers also look great. Classic Fours too judging from the pics of them.

Yep, the Classic Fours are just as good looking as the Absolute Towers, they just have deeper cabinets and are twice as heavy (and play way deep for a speaker their size).
post #9947 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

Per NHT's FB page, they now have 3 final Xd dual sub sets for sale for $4800 each when a single sub system advertised as new in box just closed for a little over $500 plus $300 shipping on ebay.

Hmm Not that I would buy it even if I could afford it but I wonder how a 6.6 Xd system would sound with Trinnov?

Nice, but still too expensive for my blood. Even though their sound just kills, I did not like their look (color). They did try a dark version, but decided it looked too much like Dark Vader (I thought it looked really cool). One other thing, even though they are amazing (very clear, incredible imaging) you still need another sub that can go deeper if used for watching movies. For music, they are perfect already. Yes, I would like a full system with Trinnov or Audyssey XT32, would sound absolutely incredible (and add a couple Seaton Submersives for the low end - those guys can go extremely deep with incredible headroom). With this (addition of subs) I'd run the XD system as a 3-way (since they have their own electronic XO's and Audyssey will do full correction) and XO the system at 40 Hz to the Seatons. Awesome!!!
post #9948 of 10792
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Nice, but still too expensive for my blood. Even though their sound just kills, I did not like their look (color). They did try a dark version, but decided it looked too much like Dark Vader (I thought it looked really cool). One other thing, even though they are amazing (very clear, incredible imaging) you still need another sub that can go deeper if used for watching movies. For music, they are perfect already. Yes, I would like a full system with Trinnov or Audyssey XT32, would sound absolutely incredible (and add a couple Seaton Submersives for the low end - those guys can go extremely deep with incredible headroom). With this (addition of subs) I'd run the XD system as a 3-way (since they have their own electronic XO's and Audyssey will do full correction) and XO the system at 40 Hz to the Seatons. Awesome!!!

I must admit that I don't really know much about Xd and have certainly never heard them, but according the NHT website, there is a 20 Hz filter for the subs if you have duals?
post #9949 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

I must admit that I don't really know much about Xd and have certainly never heard them, but according the NHT website, there is a 20 Hz filter for the subs if you have duals?

Yep, those filters can be used to lower the -3db point, but at the expense of headroom (this is the same with the W1's that I have, the normal -3 was at 26Hz and I did the 20Hz filter mod to bring it down to 20Hz, but at the expense of headroom). Now, for my room, that didn't matter as I do have more than enough headroom (can easily hit over 110db), but in a larger room I would need a sub that could go lower. Some of the subs out there can hit 10Hz with a lot of energy. The NHT subs are very good, but cannot go super low (also remember size though, for their size they are Awesome - the subs I'm talking about are Much larger).

One thing to remember with the 20Hz filter, after that it drops off very steeply to protect the drivers and not push the amp too hard. It's a 96db/octave filter.

I do like NHT's sealed designs for their subs. SVS, HSU, and other also make some sealed versions. Seaton subs are a class themselves and Triad also makes great one. JL Audio - Sweet, but extremely expensive. There are more...
post #9950 of 10792
Center channel Q,

My wife (and I) have decided to do some remodeling, and one of the consequences of this may be a push from her to downsize our speakers. Currently using M5 L-C-R, but we are moving our tv/home theater setup to a smaller room and I may have to compromise and use my SuperZeros as mains.

If I do agree to downsize to the SuperZeros as my mains (I already use them as surrounds) am I better off grabbing an old SuperCenter as my center channel, or will one of my M5s work well as a center?

Then my next dilemma will be mounting. I'd like to use the center channel directly under the TV (closer to ear height), but then I'll have to rehang the plasma (50", about 100 lbs) which is more work than setting it on the stand and putting the center channel on a shelf over the tv. We'll be closer to the TV/center in this new room setup, so I think having it (the center channel) at (or closer to) ear level will be more crucial.
post #9951 of 10792
Do you guys think the Classic 2 bookshelves and Classic 2 center would blend well with Absolute Towers? Also, do you think these speakers would be an upgrade over what I have now which is the Mirage OMD speakers? Thanks
post #9952 of 10792
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

Do you guys think the Classic 2 bookshelves and Classic 2 center would blend well with Absolute Towers? Also, do you think these speakers would be an upgrade over what I have now which is the Mirage OMD speakers? Thanks

Personally, I like the Absolute Zero better than the OMD-5 and the TwoC better than the OMD-C1. The NHT speakers just sound more balanced to me. The OMD-5 and OMD-C1 are a little thin sounding in comparison... although I do still like the OMD-5, even if it is really bass shy.

For some reason, I never really like the sound of the C1. I love how it was almost impossible to localize as a source, and it made dialogue really seem to emanate from the screen in a way no other monopole center I've owned, including the TwoC, has done... but the sound was never quite rite for me.

The Absolute Towers are really nice as well, and I feel a big step up over the Absolute Zero. I prefer the Three's over the Towers though. I haven't heard the OMD-15 though, so I don't know how those would compare.

One thing to note is that the Towers and Two's are not as easy to drive as the OMD-15 and OMD-5. What AVR would you be driving them with?

As far as them blending, I think the Towers and TwoC blend just fine. I might recommend getting the Absolute Zero's as surrounds (or Absolute On-Wall if you want wall mounting) to save some cash. As surrounds, I don't see any point in getting the Two's. The Absolute Zero is already has more low end than the OMD-5, and as a surround speaker would be perfectly fine with 80-90Hz xover.
post #9953 of 10792
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Originally Posted by rmplum View Post

Center channel Q,

My wife (and I) have decided to do some remodeling, and one of the consequences of this may be a push from her to downsize our speakers.

Just say no!
post #9954 of 10792
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

As far as them blending, I think the Towers and TwoC blend just fine. I might recommend getting the Absolute Zero's as surrounds (or Absolute On-Wall if you want wall mounting) to save some cash. As surrounds, I don't see any point in getting the Two's. The Absolute Zero is already has more low end than the OMD-5, and as a surround speaker would be perfectly fine with 80-90Hz xover.

I concur.
post #9955 of 10792
Don't give up using the M5s - they're terrific!!!!

I have 3 or them, L-C-R and and 2, L5s for the Surrounds.

Could not be happier.
post #9956 of 10792
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

Personally, I like the Absolute Zero better than the OMD-5 and the TwoC better than the OMD-C1. The NHT speakers just sound more balanced to me. The OMD-5 and OMD-C1 are a little thin sounding in comparison... although I do still like the OMD-5, even if it is really bass shy.

For some reason, I never really like the sound of the C1. I love how it was almost impossible to localize as a source, and it made dialogue really seem to emanate from the screen in a way no other monopole center I've owned, including the TwoC, has done... but the sound was never quite rite for me.

The Absolute Towers are really nice as well, and I feel a big step up over the Absolute Zero. I prefer the Three's over the Towers though. I haven't heard the OMD-15 though, so I don't know how those would compare.

One thing to note is that the Towers and Two's are not as easy to drive as the OMD-15 and OMD-5. What AVR would you be driving them with?

As far as them blending, I think the Towers and TwoC blend just fine. I might recommend getting the Absolute Zero's as surrounds (or Absolute On-Wall if you want wall mounting) to save some cash. As surrounds, I don't see any point in getting the Two's. The Absolute Zero is already has more low end than the OMD-5, and as a surround speaker would be perfectly fine with 80-90Hz xover.

Thank you for that detailed write up, I would be driving them with an AVR-4311ci.
post #9957 of 10792
I'm still trying to decide between NHT and KEF.
post #9958 of 10792
Just discovered this thread after lurking on the official Denon's owner thread. Purchased a Denon's 2112, 2 NHT superzeroes and a SA-w2500 10" Sony sub.
I have a listening room 10'x15' room with carpeting,curtains and stuffed couch. Music 30% Movies 70%

I've been listening to a really bad 10 year old HTIB system that just crapped out. Someone earlier in the thread recommended getting 4 superzeroes and a matching sub and call it a day. Since I have the SZ's I could spend $500 more appx and get 2 SZ and the 8"woofer from Crutchfield's. That is where I purchased the SZ's and the woofer and got them shipped free and it was 5 days. I live on Kauai so the free shipping was a big plus.
OR
I could get 2 Three's and have the SZ's for the rear and muddle along for now with the Sony sub. Spending app. $700. I like this option because it gives me the Threes for my 2.1 music

Questions. Best place and way to buy NHT? Put myself on special lists at NHT? Crutchfield has good prices and free shipping here. How does Crutchfield sell cheaper than NHT? Recomendations for the central speaker down the road?
Ok mahalo ahead of time. Used to Live in Santa Fe, seemed to be a lot of ALB people here.
Oh Yeah, been very happy with my SZ's and want more!
post #9959 of 10792
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Originally Posted by kauaidoug View Post

Since I have the SZ's I could spend $500 more appx and get 2 SZ and the 8"woofer from Crutchfield's.

Recomendations for the central speaker down the road?

If you just purchased a Sony sub, why do you want to purchase an 8" woofer?

You would want the matching center from NHTdepending on which NHT mains you select. BTW, I love my Threes and use them for LCR.

Bob
post #9960 of 10792
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

Just say no!

I would agree! If at all possible, keep the M's. They are MUCH better speakers and will fill the room. For the center, Sanus makes a stand for center's that have adjustable bolts that will tilt your speaker correctly. Look at my pics, I'm using that stand for my center.
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