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post #181 of 1071
The Hitachi 200 may cost less than the Pan 900 and Sanyo Z4 in other countries, but the PJ52 will street for about $1000 more than those pj's in the United States.

So it has a have a GREAT picture for me to chose it.

Hope this does not break forum rules about specific pricing/dealers.

Shelly
post #182 of 1071
Hi all, I've just joined the forum a few days ago, but I've been lurking and learning for months. I just came back from my dealer in Vancouver where they had a Panny 900U and a HDPJ52 setup. IMHO it's no contest, the Hitachi had better colors, deeper blacks with no VB and no screen door from 1X the screen width. For some strange reason the Hitachi MSRP is lower in Canada than the U.S. so it's a no brainer for me. I'm off tomorrow after work to buy my first projector. Thanks to all, for your wisdom and opinions, this is a great site!
post #183 of 1071
How is the brightness on this thing compared to the AE900 and Z4?
post #184 of 1071
For Liquid,

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Originally Posted by Liquid View Post

Hi all, I've just joined the forum a few days ago, but I've been lurking and learning for months. I just came back from my dealer in Vancouver where they had a Panny 900U and a HDPJ52 setup. IMHO it's no contest, the Hitachi had better colors, deeper blacks with no VB and no screen door from 1X the screen width. For some strange reason the Hitachi MSRP is lower in Canada than the U.S. so it's a no brainer for me. I'm off tomorrow after work to buy my first projector. Thanks to all, for your wisdom and opinions, this is a great site!

Thanks for your input Liquid. This is exactly the kind of info I have been looking for. I have been trying to decide between the Panny 900U, HDPJ52, Z4 and the Mits -hc3000. But the relatively long throw and price (here in Canada) was a deal breaker on the Mits.
What were you watching that helped you determine that the black levels were so much better on the Hitachi vs the 900 ?
post #185 of 1071
Phaselocd, Im in exactly the same boat you are.
post #186 of 1071
I just purchased my PJ-TX200. First i was looking for the HC3000, but i wouldn't find a way to mount it in my room. The HC3000 has an offset of 33% of screen height. So the image would be starting 1ft abouve floor level in my basement, cause ceiling is only at 7ft 4" . Without lensshift the HC3000 was a no go.

The picture of the HC3000 was brilliant, but i was constantly seeing rainbows.

I'm very happy with my TX200. It is much quieter than the Z4 and the Epson TW600 when mounted upside down on the ceiling.

Picture is great with good contrast and colors.
post #187 of 1071
How does the picture compare though with the HC3000? In brightness and contrast, and color?

THanks.
post #188 of 1071
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

How does the picture compare though with the HC3000? In brightness and contrast, and color?

THanks.


excellent question.
post #189 of 1071
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Originally Posted by phaselocd View Post

For Liquid,



Thanks for your input Liquid. This is exactly the kind of info I have been looking for. I have been trying to decide between the Panny 900U, HDPJ52, Z4 and the Mits -hc3000. But the relatively long throw and price (here in Canada) was a deal breaker on the Mits.
What were you watching that helped you determine that the black levels were so much better on the Hitachi vs the 900 ?

Star Wars Ep. 3. Lots of city shots at night plus the obvious space shots. To my eyes and another guy who was watching at the same time, it was just as bright with better blacks. Plus it's shiny and black
post #190 of 1071
Could I have a throw distance of 17' if my screen is going to be 92"?
Thanks!
post #191 of 1071
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Originally Posted by danluigs View Post

Could I have a throw distance of 17' if my screen is going to be 92"?
Thanks!

No from what I remember. Mine is at 13' and the screen size could be at 92". At 17' I am sure you cannot. The minimum size you will get at this distance is 120" according to the manual.
post #192 of 1071
Anyone have any news for Australian availability of the 200?
post #193 of 1071
This was asked earlier in this thread, but no real answer came out of it. Since I saw this unit for sale recently at a local shop, I saw that the contrast rating is 4000:1, even confirmed that on the Canadian Hitachi website. I thought the HDPJ52 is the twin of TX200? Why is the TX200 rated at 7000:1? Is that just marketing?
post #194 of 1071
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Originally Posted by Souki View Post

This was asked earlier in this thread, but no real answer came out of it. Since I saw this unit for sale recently at a local shop, I saw that the contrast rating is 4000:1, even confirmed that on the Canadian Hitachi website. I thought the HDPJ52 is the twin of TX200? Why is the TX200 rated at 7000:1? Is that just marketing?


Another great question, there really is a lack of information on this projector, and I would still like to hear how it stacks up against the HC3000 from the person who seen both.

We also need some reviews or something we dont even have a manual for it!
post #195 of 1071
Re: Australian release

I spoke to a dealer this afternoon who stated that Hitachi told him today that it would be very late December, into January before there is an Oz release.
He hinted that he felt that Hitachi are holding them back in order
to clear the remaining TX100's.

Hey Upnorth, hurry up and put pen to paper.
We're all waiting for your review .
post #196 of 1071
Having technical difficulties at home, my computer lost it's internet connection, and crashed. Had it looked at by a tech...we both agree it is a goner!! I have been trying for two days to get it up and running. I have all the pics done and most of the review formulated, just need a way to get it on the forum!! So I will try my best to swap in a new hard drive this weekend and reformat the old and get it up and running again by Monday.

For those that can not wait..here is a tid bit.

The PJTX200 wins hands down..no contest
post #197 of 1071
Quote:
Originally Posted by Souki View Post

This was asked earlier in this thread, but no real answer came out of it. Since I saw this unit for sale recently at a local shop, I saw that the contrast rating is 4000:1, even confirmed that on the Canadian Hitachi website. I thought the HDPJ52 is the twin of TX200? Why is the TX200 rated at 7000:1? Is that just marketing?

It looks like the Canadian web site is using the ANSI contrast (4000:1) and the American web site is using the On/Off contrast (7000:1). Even then, an ANSI contrast ration of 4000:1 seems to be too high to be believable. The upcoming reviews will tell the story.
post #198 of 1071
UpNorth,

We all hope that your computer problems are soon worked out and look forward to your comparison review between the TX100 and the TX200

I have gone through the TX100 thread and noticed that you werre using a color corrective filter. Will you be using it for the 200?

And you generously posted your tweaked gamma, and I think, rgb gain and offset settings. I certainly hope that you do likewise with your 200.

Many of us without calibration equipment and experience depend on these custom setttings by forum members. CKL's reviews always show his settings, and many memberrs here have been generous with theirs through the years.

I am hoping that the TX PJ52 is the one for me.

Shelly
post #199 of 1071
Does anyone know if there are noise reduction adjustments on the TX200, I think the AE900 or Z4 does.
I've upgraded to a Denon 1920 DVD player and have found the amount of video noisevery anoying. I'm using HDMI and I've been able to reduce the amount of noise allot by changing the signal from YPbPc to RGB for the HDMI output. The component output from the Denon is also noisy. My cheap JVC using component has less noise.

But have no doubt the TX200 itself puts out an awesome picture
post #200 of 1071
Does the TX200 have adjustments to get rid of color shading? I watch a lot hockey and this is important to me. Apparently the Z4 and AE900 are not adjustable in this respect so it is hit or miss if you get a good one or not.
post #201 of 1071
I've been "borrowing" a TX-200 for about 10 days now (waiting on Sony Ruby), and I can tell you this: SDE is pretty darn good for LCD, but if you can't see it at 1X width, you need to see the eye doctor. I've got good vision (as long as I wear my contacts...) and I need to be about 1.7X away for it to really go away. I've been de-focusing slightly, and that works pretty well. SDE is slightly worse than 720p DLP - but very close. I prefer D-iLA / SXRD for several reasons, but SDE is a big one.

There are no shading issues on my unit, and no VB either. No dead pixels. I am not keeping this thing, but its a "good" one apparently.

You can see the iris open and close, but not often (depends on material you are viewing) - this using "Auto 1". "Auto 2" is way too aggressive. Overall, the contrast and viewing experience is enhanced significantly by the iris - its worth the artifacts it creates, as you don't see them much, and anyone who isn't a video guru probably would never see it, but they WILL admire the punchy, contrasty image that the mechanism provides.

BTW, I've been viewing on a 8' wide, Stewart Aeroview 100 (rear projection, 1.0 gain), and with the iris on "5" (half way closed) the image is plenty bright in my light-controlled room.

I have been considering a small / portable PJ that could also be used for backup, and this things good enough to have me thinking about keeping it. I would, however really like to see the Panny, because its a little cheaper and I like the fact that the SDE is a non-issue on it. I will say the build quality on the Hitachi seems very good (lens is huge). Haven't noticed any quirks or things that bug me, really.

- Chris
post #202 of 1071
Could somebody go into the extended service menu of the TX200 to see if the C.UNIF , STRIPE and other related adjustments are there like they were in the TX100?

SDE is highly subjective. I admidt I sit far away from the screen in my setup and my screen is small (92" diagonal, 82" wide). I sit about 1.75x to just under 2.00x screen width away. But I have to walk up to at least 1.5x to see any screen door.
post #203 of 1071
Does anyone know the size and type of color corrective filter used on the TX100, assuming that it would be the same size fit for the TX200?

Thanks.

Shelly

I may get to see the PJ52 in a couple of weeks as the dealerr will be mounting it once he sells his currently mounted Sim pj.

I'm concerned about the visibility of iris movement, not at all about the quality of the rest of the picture. Could it be that, since some report seing it and others not, that there is a bit of variablility in quality control with the Hitachi pj?

Shelly
post #204 of 1071
I'd say there is plenty of variability in the levels of dvd player outputs as far as various IRE outputs levels go, along with variable settings on the projector such as brightness, contrast and iris, not to mention the light or reflective properties of the room and of course, the screen.
post #205 of 1071
How do you get into the extended service menu?
post #206 of 1071
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

I'd say there is plenty of variability in the levels of dvd player outputs as far as various IRE outputs levels go, along with variable settings on the projector such as brightness, contrast and iris, not to mention the light or reflective properties of the room and of course, the screen.

It's true that everyone's setup and room is differrent, as is the conditions of a dealer's showroom. Are you attributing this to why some see the iris movement and others do not? I always prefer to read that the iris movement is noticable once in a while but not bothersome.

Are you suggesting that even if one sees the movement of the iris, there are enough controls on the pj that it can be dialed down or eliminated? I would want this to be so.

Shelly
post #207 of 1071
Shelly,

Missed your post. I am not saying you can lessen or eliminate it for sure, I'm just saying wait and see for yourself. Don't get scared off just yet. The variability that exists may explain some of what we are seeing. I would have to see the iris opening and closing myself to know for sure what it would mean to me.

....

Do not go fiddling around with settings in the extended menu without first writing things down. Look into it, search the TX100 thread and know what you are doing first.

To get into the extended menu, go to the part of the easy menu that says reset and go into the reset menu. Don't chose reset via the menu! Just reach up to your projector and press the button labeled "reset" and it will go into the extended menu. Others say they press the reset button on the remote (again, the button labeled reset) at that point, but that never works for me and I must press the button on the projector itself.

Again, I make the distinction that you are not using the onscreen menu to move the cursor to the "reset" portion of the menu to reset it, you are pressing one of either of the buttons labeled "reset" on the projector, or the remote, and only when the cursor is just inside the reset menu of the easy menu.
post #208 of 1071
I don't think you will be able to eliminate the iris effects on the video - thats why it works - it changes the picture.

Its a simpler system than, say, the Sony Ruby, which changes lots of things simultaneously (not the least of which is gamma / video levels) along with the iris.

In the Hitachi, its just basically the iris itself. Close it down, the picture (and black level) darkens. Open it up, the picture lightens.

I also think, based on my use of the unit, that "seeing" the iris do its thing is hugely dependent on what scene and what movie you are watching. When I saw it, I could rewind and watch and see the iris do the same thing every time.

If you calibrate black and white levels on your DVD player / TX200, you should see the iris open / close just like me or anybody else does, given the right scene.

As I said before, all the "tricks" and smoke and mirrors that these newer PJs (even the higher-end Ruby) are doing actually help 99.9% of the video you pipe through them. Is it worth it for a very rare observation of the system not working perfectly transparently ? I think in this case yes.

Plasmas do the same thing in many ways, Pioneer has "DRE", Panasonic doesn't even name it, and I'm sure the other players have their schemes, but the bottom line is that all of the effort is to give the picture a "better" (contrastier) look with the least amount of side effects. I can see the effects on EVERY one of these devices in my home, but I think all things considered, the approaches work very well.

I tried watching the TX200 with the auto iris "off" and the depth of picture and involvement just weren't there, compared to "auto 1". But there weren't any "side effects", other than the big one - very low contrast. Take your pick. I think at this price point the system works pretty well, but if you look you WILL see it - esp. if you are looking for it.

If you buy one of these, just enjoy it and don't look for it. I quit noticing it after a few movies.

YMMV.

- Chris
post #209 of 1071
I agree with Iamjcl about the iris, after a couple of movies I've forgotten about it so now I very rarely notice it. Or maybe I'm so focused on the noise in the picture I don't notice the iris.
What setting on my TX200 can I mess with to try and reduce the noise?
post #210 of 1071
widseth,

That's a couple of times you've mentioned noise in the picture.

Is this going to be a deal breaker for you ? How bad really is it ?

Any other variables coming into play ie. power cord up against HDMI cable
etc. etc..

Is it just that the image is that sharp maybe. What screen size are you again ?

I'm teetering between a TX200 from Japan or a local (Australian buy)
of a HS60.

Any extra info appreciated.

Waingro
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