'Supernatural' on The CW HD (& syndicated on TNT HD) - Page 65

I was thinking how much this is the "X-Files" with Dean doing the Mulder role and Sam the "Scully" straight man. Of course the series was started by refugees from the "X-Files." I think the thing that has helped keep it on the air is the humor and that the show doesn't take itself seriously.

This season is just freaking excellent. Loving it. Dean makes the whole show for me, the little things he does, like when he was talking to the familiar and he turned to Sam and was like, "A little help here. No. Ok then." Just the way he delivers it is so funny.

I wonder what the second trial will be.

Just watched the new episode and really enjoyed the "classic" type of Supernatural episode: Sam and Dean try to save the innocent from the forces of darkness.
Great humor and drama, with a hottie thrown in.

I'm wondering when Cas will show up again.....

I guess I disagree, felt like a bad filler episodes to me. At this point we are at the end run for the season, there may be 7 or 8 episodes left, we should be getting more meat.

I agree it was kinduva "filler episode..."
However, I still enjoyed it.

I like these more than the un-"filler" episodes. In my mind, what most refer to here as "filler" are really the "meat". Short Stories vs Novels. Those episodes that only serve to move the season arc along are really the episodes that I could do without. They just seem like extended versions of something they could have tightened up and interwoven with the weekly episodes. But it is probably a lot of work to research threats/monsters/myths and develop new and interesting stories around them, it is likely much easier to develop a single season-long story in 13-22 acts.

I sort of wonder if they close the gates of hell this year, but Crowley and crew will be trapped on this side trying to close the other side with the Angel tablet, which will be the overarching arc for next year.

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Hmmm....I hadn't considered that....

An interesting episode...The Boys vs. Greek gods.
I didn't realize it before, but this was the first time they have went up against Titans.

After Dean's "prayer," I suspect Cas will be showing up soon.

Good episode. Though it would have been really nice to stretch it to a 2 or 3 episode arc (Artemis/Prometheus love angle and doesn't Zeus deserve a bit more screen time?)

Agreed. You wouldn't think Titans would be disposed of so easily.

I wonder if angels are more powerful than Greek gods.

I think Titans could serve up a big can of whoop-ass on any Christian angel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_titans

But they did go up against a whole group of Gods several seasons back... Lucifer scared all of them away (all of them that he didn't kill that is)... they had some of the Greek Gods there as well as Norse, Indian, and a few others. It was also the episode where they killed off Loki/Gabriel.

I thought the explanation was that the gods' power grew or waned according to their believers/followers.

Which makes this old quote a little ironic in the Supernatural world.
“The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist. --Charles Baudelaire”

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Not really.

The devil isn't a god. He's more like a corrupt small town sheriff who is out to nab you for violating even the teeniest letter of the law.

Has the show ever acknowledged that? I remember putting it out there years ago when we were trying to explain how every mythology in existence can co-exist on the show, but I don't recall any definitive explanation. Unless the Ori from Stargate got involved in the last few weeks while I was trying to catch up.


It still applies. If you don't believe in ninjas it just makes it easier for them to sneak up on you too.

*** taps VisionOn on the shoulder, then melts into the shadows....

Well, I thought so, but I might have gotten it confused with "American Gods", so I poked around a bit at http://supernaturalwiki.com The only thing I saw was the reference to sacrifices for a couple pagan gods.

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I wonder if Zeus possessed the power to kill an arc-angel. He is supposedly the chief Greek God. He died from a God weapon .. but that's just weird. Is the God dead, or is his avatar dead? Or is his avatar the actual full embodiment of "him"? Not sure if anyone will understand where I'm going with this but anyway. Still I wish Zeus went up against a proper arc-angel because I think so far no other "God being" showed the same level of power as Zeus did (ie he probably would have laid waste to the pagan gods that Lucifier killed without breaking a sweat) He even possesses the power to curse another godlike being.

Prometheus was just ...???? He did nothing. He didn't seem like a God at all. It seemed like he had no power.

Interesting outing this week, sad to see Meg go...

Anyway, I'm confused. Did they throw out the character book on Crowley? As I recall from seasons past he was a low level demon originating in 16th century Scotland. We met his son, supposedly S&D dug up his bones which Cas absconded with, yet tonight magically that all changed. When he was talking to Naomi there was an indication they knew each other from way,way back. He made reference to Mesopotamia, that was certainly long before 16th century Scotland. The previous Crowley plot was that he worked his way up to king of hell from a simple crossroads demon, now he's interacted with Über angels at the beginning of time?

Can anyone clear this up for me?

The characterization has been all over the map the past few seasons. It's not just Crowley. Even this season brings up such gems as Dean telling Sam a few episodes back that he wants to sacrifice himself so Sam can live out a long domestic life with a wife and picket fence. Forgetting that for most of this season Dean was telling Sam to ditch the girl he was quite happy with and get with the hunting and their destined fates. I'm surprised the show didn't point out the idiocy of that by having Sam say "What? You have been on me for weeks to get back into the game! You couldn't have mentioned this a week ago, before I drove all that way to permanently break up with my girlfriend? F you Dean!"

It's taken me a while to catch up as most of the season became quite a slog to get through and I didn't relish watching more. It took a while but the show made some good steps to make it entertaining again. When they finally closed the aforementioned tiresome argument arc between Dean and Sam things picked up. Especially when the writers finished rewatching the box set of Angel and decided to introduce the Watcher's Council of Letters and the Hyperion Hotel Home Base.

The LARP episode was fun and had some entertaining moments.

Time travel episode was good. And that new mythology has given the show some new directions to move in.

The golem was a pretty neat new character and I was really hoping he was going to join Winchester Investigations permanently. Also had one of my favorite moments in which the Jewish guy watched them bury and burn a body and say "These guys are psychopaths" as the camera cut back to Sam warming his hands over the flames.

The trials of the Hell Hound was forgettable. Which was disappointing. If all the trials are as mediocre as that it's not going to help that arc.

The witches episode was probably one of the worst I've seen in recent memory. The interpretation of the familiar in Supernatural lore was just ridiculous and poorly executed. It felt like a cost-cutting excuse so they could save time with an animal handler (they didn't even bother with transformation effects) and a punchline for Dean.

The Titans are apparently quite lame in Supernatural. Their only power appears to be not having any. It was an interesting enough story but they should have left the Gods out of it. Or at least kept Zeus out of it, because he went down far too easily as well. Even if he comes back.

This week brought back Cas and to be honest I was hoping he would kill himself and Meg would survive. At least the weak Naomi brainwashing arc is over but Cas is another character the show doesn't really know how to handle now. He's dead. He's alive. He's crazy. He's a hunter. He's human. He's leader of Heaven. He's rogue. He's not.

This season is suffering the fate of too many arcs again. Just pick two and go with those. Rebuilding the Letters group and closing Hell without trials would be enough. Fill the rest with fun cases for Winchester Investigations. And maybe bring on a permanent new cast member that isn't Cas instead of killing them just as they have potential.

The easy way out?

This show has involved time travel more than once... so the easy out is that at some point in the past Crowley time-traveled into the distant past and had adventures with Naomi.

We also don't know for sure who/what Naomi is do we? Cas thought he was in heaven, but was he? I kept thinking we were going to find out that Naomi was a demon that had learned how to hijack angels and was fooling Cas to make him think he was in heaven. I guess she is an angel, but for all we know she is another "fallen" one who only got back into heaven because of all the mess from the failed Apocalypse.

What do I look like, Google? To funny.

Glad the demons didn't get the tablet but they really need to kill off Crowley, story line is old and played out.

Trust issues, much? Sadly, I must confess that I also have been suspicious of Naomi from the start.

My main reason for being suspicious is that all we see of her is her office. Ok, this week we saw some kind of kill/training room... but other than that, we don't see her going elsewhere in heaven... so that room could be anywhere. I don't know if that is a red herring to keep us guessing OR if the writers were leaving the door open to run in a couple of different directions depending on how things play out.

Or, it could be they didn't have the money for more sets...

It is the CW...

Then again, it isn't NBC...so that's something....

Absolutely agree.

We have see Naomi interact with one other angel, the hot dog guy, so I'm not sure how to take her. Angel, demon ???

My guess is she is some fallen angel or an angel on one side or the other in the Civil War.

I thought this was a pretty good episode, even though they didn't need the foreshadowing during the opening scene.

Sad to see Meg go, liked that character. And it was somewhat interesting that she said Cass was her unicorn.

"Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" Good stuff!