>>The Official Mitsubishi 1080p DLP Owners Thread<< - Page 50

I'm REALLY interested to hear your impressions of this.

Will some of you current owners comment on your viewing distance for either the 73xxx or 62xxx? My maximum viewing distance will be 11-12 ft. I certainly want to go with the larger screen, but I'm concerned that it will be too big for comfortable viewing. Any comments/suggestions? Thanks!

73" is a too big (IMO) for anything but Home Theater or Hi-Def at that distance. I really like people to be at least 15' for TV viewing on the big boy.

This isn't a problem with the TV it is a Gemstar TV guide problem! It is slow, and sometimes puts up the wrong channels. Make sure your guide is in the lock position.

My front row is roughly 11-12 feet away from my WD-62628 and my back row is roughly 17-18 away, when the lights go dim, I sure haven't heard, "I can't see the tv"

I am 9-10 feet away from my 73727 and my viewing is very comfortable, no eye strain, or headaches.

My wife and I sit ~ 10.5 ft from our 73727 and like it there (we could easily slide our chairs back to 12 ft). With enough tweaking, I've gotten SD analog to be watchable at that distance; digital SD is even fine, and of course HD and dvd's are outstanding. We keep the Mode in 'Natural', and the Color Temperature at 'Low', otherwise it would just be too bright; and we also have some ambient light in the room.

Hey Guys!

My dealer replaced my 62825 with a 73927 plus a charge because I had so many problems. When my 73927 was delivered it came with the shield off. They had to install it. I think I read a post from someone who said their 927 came with the shield installed(Hyabusha maybe). Mits said there is no difference in shields for the 827 and 927 but then why the $200 price diff?
I'm concerned whether I got the correct shield or not( I know the old 525, 725 and 825 all had different shields). The shield I have now seems a little more clear than my old 825's shield.

Thanks!

Has anyone else done this with their tv? Question: For those that have received their ticket already, were you contacted by a Mits dealer? I didn't buy my tv from a contact person, but from an authorized dealer. Is this okay?

SCREWFACE

Wanted to provide an update on my 73727, see previous posts under my name for details. In summary, this set does not work well, but service was called to verify if my set was OK or not.

The guy looked at my TV and his first words were "I've never seen one of the big sets before," so I knew I was in trouble. I described my problems to him, fan noise, picture quality, ....., and he watched the set for a while. Then asked to play a DVD. I pointed out the poor picture quality -- his comment was that 1080p sets will not look good with DVDs, unless it is a 1080 DVD player. I assured him my Linn Unidisk 2.1 is one of the better quality sources. But I then connected my Marantz 9500 DVD player, and tried all resolutions, 480P, 720P, 1080i, ..... all to little effect.

As far as fan noise, he said it sounded OK to him, as there is little background noise in my room! He also indicated he had changed a few fans in the smaller sets, and it made no difference.

So I got nowhere with the service guy, as he knew very little about the product he was servicing. Now back to the store.

I noticed the CNET review of the smaller set, and I can tell you it is spot on for 73727. Color decoding is the biggest problem with these sets. I am hopeful I can swap mine for a different brand, I will let you know.

The repair guy arrived today with a few pieces in hand to repair the bent bezel on the Mitsu. As he took it apart it was apparent that the TV had been mishandled in the factory or in shipping. Judging from the number of sets I've seen with this problem Mitsu has a serious problem they need to fix.

The plastic top bezel is actually just a decorative piece held in place adhesively to an aluminum extrusion which holds the screen in place. The aluminum extrusion is what is getting bent somewhere along the way.

With the new extrusion and plastic bezel attached the top of the screen is now nicely straight.

Didn't do anything to the trapezoid and of course nothing can be done for the pincushion.

I'm going to leave well enough alone for now and enjoy the set mostly on HD.

jim

Do you use any type of universal remote, like the Harmony? Any APS or no-break system?

I am trying to find the culprit. I re-programmed my Harmony and bought a Tripplite power regulator and no-break.

Sergio

Interesting, we're both in South Florida. I spoke with Mitsubishi about this and of course they never heard of it. I've noticed that I can reproduce the problem without turning on the TV. That is, reset it (via unplugging), plug it back in, let it sit overnight. I've got a service call set up for 12/10. In the meantime, I'm going to disconnect a couple of inputs (hdmi first) and see if that helps.

Anybody have any other thoughts?

Just got my 52628 today. Loving it so far.

But I have a question about NetCommand. I have it hooked up and set to control my Motorola 6214 V3. I noticed on the remote it channel has "page" under it, for I assume page up/page down for the guide. I looked it up in the manual and it verified that when the guide is open, channel will do page up/down. The problem is when I have the guide up, it still changes the channel instead of doing a page up/down! Anyone have a similar issue or any way to fix this?

You should read my subsequent post. All current Mit's have defective tuner software. The last Mit's engineer I spoke with said they do not know when the fix will be available. Perhaps not until they come out with new models next year. Even the newest LCD panel TV's from Mit' have the same software/firmware defect.....they were on the market for about 6, months and then removed and no longer in the line up.

Samsung (and others) uses the exact same TV Guide On Screen, and their software will lock down the tuner and 100% prevent bogus stations from being set up....and it "tunes" many times faster as well.

The major defect in the Mit's tuner software (there are dozens of defects), is allowing automatic set up on channels numbers without confirmation that they are already set-up in the tuner........it just keeps setting up the same channels over and over again.

I haven't been following your saga, if any, but I just wanted to note that there are (mechanical) keystone adjustments on these sets. I suspect you can find the relevant service manual pages in the "What's inside" thread.

Alicht, can you describe your configuration? I have a HD-TIVO through HDMI-1, analog cable through antenna-1, regular OTA digital through antenna-2 and a dvd player through components-1. My set is a 73927 hooked to a brickwall surge protector and a Tripplite no-break. My old set had no no-break and the problem was the same. My primary suspect is the Tuner-1 (ant-1) that never worked perfectly. It loses settings and sometimes tunes to a non-existing channel. No guide on ant-1. Both sets have shown identical behavior therefore I don't believe there is a hardware problem unless it affects all Mitsubishi 1080P. I will try to reproduce the problem as you suggest.

Sergio

Question for this forum...has anyone seen a shelf unit, other than the Mitsu one, that works with the 73 inch 1080p sets? I have a large center speaker (25.5 inches wide & 8.5 inches high) and a high-end A/V receiver that is 8.5 inches high but needs a few more inches of heat clearance. I've looked at a lot of shelf/stand and haven't seen anything even close to my needs, even if the sets width wasn't a constraint. Any suggestions?

I'll post a picture this weekend. Had a local place that makes made-to-order bookshelves out of solid oak make one 72"W, 16"H, 20"D, with two verticle dividers (to make 3 sections), with an adjustible shelf in each. In the center section I don't use a shelf, and have my Pio 1014 AVR in it. The dvd player, cable stb, BFD, and Felston delay box go into the other two sections with shelves. Cost of the stand was ~ $220. The center speaker is on a shelf, supported by 18.5" brackets, that is behind but level with the top of the Mits 73727.

Slimoli,

I have an HD-TIVO connected to component 3. I also have a DVD connected to
HDMI-2, as well as an XBOX connected to component 2. I also connected an
OTA to ant-1 (hardly used). The OTA is split and 1 feed goes to the HD-TIVO and the other to ant-1. The next thing I'm going to try is disconnecting the OTA to ANT-1.

I have the TV connected via a sine wave APC UPS. When the problem started, I removed the UPS. The problem still occured.

One thing that is interesting is that the problem might have started after I upgraded my OTA antenna (ant-1). It now can find many more HD stations. Its even pulling in West Palm Beach stations (5-1). So, you might be right and it could be related to tuner-1.

Thank you millerwill!!! I appreciate the advice, and feel free to post a pic when you get time.

How do you like your Felston delay box?

About ten years ago (not now, so please don't e-mail me with your problems!) I was a software engineer for Mitsubishi Consumer Electronics America, and became very familiar with the issues of implementing systems like TVGOS in a television set context. At that time we were implementing StarSight, a similar onscreen guide system, but the principles are the same.

Bottom line is that a system like TVGOS is not simply plug-and-play for manufacturers. Gemstar probably provides source code for a reference implementation, but a LOT of work goes into integrating it into what's already going on with a TV set. For example, the manufacturer has a wide choice of real-time operating systems to use to manage the TV's tasks, and it has to be adapted to fit.

Without delving into personal opinion about what may or may not be going on with this, or the quality of Mitsubishi's implementation, all I can say is that different manufacturers having different degrees of success implementing TVGOS is pretty much par for the course.

Anyway, I just bought a WD-52628 over the weekend, so I guess I'll get to see how things go. So far I've spent hours fiddling with the user color controls and have had real trouble getting to a point at which I'm comfortable with the look of the images, but my service manual's on order so we'll see how things go once I have the remote codes and documentation to get to the real adjustments.

-- Mark

You may be disappointed at the number of "real adjustments" that are available.

I guess the real question is: is there channel-independent control over gain, bias, or gamma that would allow cleaning up the grayscale? I guess I'll find out, but if you have that info now, please feel free to give up the secret a few days early.

My previous TV (a 1995 VS-5076) did not have these controls in the service menus, however as a CRT device it was pretty easy to get in there with a screwdriver and fiddle with the pots. Unfortunately, DLP doesn't seem susceptible to such manipulation.

-- Mark

It's my understading that the 52628 will not accept a true 1080P source via the HDMI inputs. Eventually, I would like to watch some of the WMVHD sources via my PC.

My question is:
If Mits decides to update their model line to allow for true 1080P acceptance through the HDMI ports, is this something that would be upgradeable on my current set, either through a firmware update or part replacement??

I have had my 52628 now for a couple of months. After trying most of the recommendations from this forum with bad to mediocre results I still have not found the outstanding picture quality I expect and what most AVS members are describing. Is there a focus setting? I see doublevision images that become very apparent by switching to an unused input (blue background) and navigating through the video setup. This is happening for all inputs. Switching back to news channels with news banners I see the same issue. None of the obvious settings allow me adust this. Is it time for me to make a service call?

Just got it yesterday and haven't yet had time to set it up! Will certainly do it by this weekend.

Well, I took another pass at calibrating my new 52628 with the user mode controls, and had kind of an epiphany.

Turns out that I get MUCH better results using SMPTE color bars if I leave the "tint" control dead center and use Magenta and Cyan in the "PerfectColor" menu to get the magenta and cyan patches to match, using a blue filter.

Things are still just a touch warm but the overall color is fantastic. I did have to set my brightness setting significantly higher for my DVD than for the cable box, however.

Here are my settings, in case anyone else wants to try them:

bright mode / low color temperature
tint 31
color 33 / 48 (cable box / DVD)
brt 39 / 48 (cable box / DVD)
contrast 50

mag 42
red 20
yellow 30
grn 31
cyan 23
blue 31

I'm generally pretty happy with these settings.

-- Mark

Chuckbuster,

I have a large center channel, and found a nice solution. I will post a picture soon. Check out Salamander at:

http://www.salamanderdesigns.com/html/configurator.jsp

You have to piece together the right items to get what you want, but try out the design tool in the link above.

I use two 21" single bases which are part number SU20C/B, one goes on the left side, one goes on the right. Then add three bridges, Salamander calls them "Bridge Two" and is part number SB2/C, and is 39" wide. Bridges are nothing more then adjustable shelves. The bridges connect the two 21" bases.

So you have shelves connecting the two bases, and the shelves can be adjusted up and down to fit your center channel.

You can also add side panels, add/subtract shelves, and other items to make this look the way you want. This cost double what the Mitsubishi base costs, but has much more usable shelf space, and looks much better

For those of you who calibrated your DVD players with DVE, have you gotten all 3 color filters to match up correctly? I have a Panasonic RP-82 hooked up via component, and the blue and red filters match up, but green is way off. I had this same problem with my WD-52525. I now have a WD-52628. I figure it's the DVD player, which I might replace if someone has a good recommendation for a $300 or less DVD player.

I'll post my color settings for my DVD player when I get home, but I ended up adjusting a bunch of settings in Perfect Color. My yellow looks kind of mustard colored on the color test on DVE, but when you look through the blue and red filters, it matches up great. Is it supposed to be mustard colored, and if not, should the settings I have that match the 2 filters be better than a more yellow setting corrected by the naked eye?