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post #1561 of 5405
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Originally Posted by scoombs View Post

I have the 73927. Anyone have a similar experience, or possibly refer to a common cause I might be overlooking? HDMI output from my 74TXVi receiver gives me a wave effect on my display, starting in the lower left corner of the screen, and progressing up and out like a stone thrown into a pond. I see this effect for all sources including DVD on component, Tivo on S-Video, and VCR on composite, and since the receiver is converting all video to HDMI for output, is does not really surprise me that I see it for all inputs.

A little more information on what I have tried, and maybe someone can suggest what is going on here.

- All inputs to the receiver regardless of type, output using the corresponding monitor output (composite in - composite out, s-video in - s-video out, component in - component out), has no interference.

- Composite and s-video sources switched through to component output has no interference.

- All sources switched through to HDMI output have interference.

- I tried three different HDMI cables, ranging from $20 - $130, same results.

- My display has multiple HDMI inputs, and it happens on both.

- HDMI sources bypassing the receiver and connected directly to the display, do NOT exhibit the interference.

- At this point, I am thinking the only other possibility is another component within my AV rack causing interference. So I get a completely different 74TXVi and set it up 4 feet from my AV rack, and test the HDMI output of the replacement receiver -- same interference pattern.

- I then got a long red extension cord and plugged the receiver into an outlet on the other side of the house to eliminate a possible grounding issue, and same problem. And here is what's worse:

I hauled another TV into the room that does not have HDMI, but does have a DVI input. I attached an HDMI-DVI cable (so this would be cable 4 in addition to the 3 HDMI cables I have already tried) from the receiver to the second TV, and NO INTERFERENCE PATTERN. Both are Mits sets, the one with interference is a WD-73927 and the other is a WS-73713. The last thing I would have expected is a problem that only manifests itself with a certain output device to a certain input device. I am not certain, but it seems that the Pioneer Elite receiver just does not like DLP's. Anyone suggest anything else?

Are your main speakers right next to the TV? Think that they might be the cause of the interference?
post #1562 of 5405
Scoombs

I also have the 74 receiver and the 73927 linked through a HDMI. No problems, just I don't see any difference from the components. No waves.

Sergio
post #1563 of 5405
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

I have had the WD-52628 for almost three weeks. The picture is stunning. But the TV-GUIDE system will set up multiple bogus stations, usually 2 to 6 additional stations per day. As a result you can not use the set; because in a few days it will set up so many bogus stations, it prevents you from "dialing" the station your want. Turn Off TV-GUIDE and the tuners work great, and relatively fast; BUT that is only after you have done a system reset or an initialization and NEVER turn on the TV-GUIDE.

So far the dealer and Mit's say it should not do that, but they have no answers, so I fixin to send it back.........is anyone else having this problem?

I did a full "initialization" (menu ,2740, INITIALIZE) and never turned the TV-GUIDE again. Bogus channels have been added to the channel list every day. After the initialize my TV-GUIDE at Netcommand has been always OFF and no zipcode has been entered. It looks like this TV-GUIDE acts as a virus on this set. When I hit GUIDE I only have the short Mitsubishi guide and the channel list is correct. When I turn the TV ON the tuner always tunes to a channel not in the list.

Sergio
post #1564 of 5405
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Are your main speakers right next to the TV? Think that they might be the cause of the interference?

The TV is flanked on the right by my main right speaker, and on the left, by my AV rack. My main left speaker is immediately to the left of the AV rack. I will try disconnecting both main speakers completely (and the center on top), and see if that makes a difference, but if it were a poor shielding issue and the magnets were causing the issue, would I not expect to see the interference on all inputs?
post #1565 of 5405
Anybody know how can I set up my programmable remote to switch directly to the TV-Disc input?

On my other sets you could use the DIRECT INPUT IR mode (Power 090) and press device + one other key this would send the direct code to the programmable remote so that it could learn the correct input code.

I believe I have tried all of the combo keys and cannot find the one to go directly to the TV-Disc

Gary
post #1566 of 5405
1. When I have set a recording to happen and I am watching a DVD on another input the TV will interrupt my DVD movie and switch inputs to the Antenna and the program that I have asked it to record. The TV should not switch inputs when I am watching another input. I could see the TV switching channels to the one I had asked it to record IF I was watching another TV channel and that would interfere with or not allow the TV to RECORD but again in my case I am watching another input that would not interfere with the TV recording from antenna 1 input. This is a serious bug. Is there a firmware upgrade to fix this?
2. The off air channel changing is terribly SLOW
3. Anybody know how do you get the TV Guide to go to a specific future DAY? There does not seem to be a way to go to next Thursday without having to calculate how many hours there are until next Thursday The drop down box should have a choice for DAYS in addition to the hours. Even when you go to a future date the Guide does not show you the actual DATE you are viewing so you don't know if it is next week or two weeks in the future. Not being able to quickly go to a future day is a serious shortcoming.
4. The recordings from the TV Guide and the manual recordings do not all appear together when accessing the list of recording on the TV-Disc input. Again a poor software design.
5. When I change inputs to the PC VGA port I always get an error message saying that SYNC is unknown and that I should add this device in Net Command. I should not be getting this error message since I had already added it in Net Command (I added it again just to be sure but still get the error message when ever I change inputs to the VGA port) Eventually this message goes away but why do I have to see it when I have already added the PC in Net Command is there an option or firmware fix for this?
6. When I manually choose the DV DISC input to view my list of recorded programs and then do not immediately cycle to a recorded program my screen will go blank in about 10 seconds. This is not enough time to look through the list of programsNOTE even if you move the cursor to one of the recorded programs the screen will not immediately blank but it will blank and turn off the TV set if it is not moved again within 1 minute. The screen should not go blank another software bug.

If anybody has any help for these issues please let me know... thanks,
Gary
post #1567 of 5405
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Originally Posted by garyrall View Post

1. When I have set a recording to happen and I am watching a DVD on another input the TV will interrupt my DVD movie and switch inputs to the Antenna and the program that I have asked it to record. The TV should not switch inputs when I am watching another input. I could see the TV switching channels to the one I had asked it to record IF I was watching another TV channel and that would interfere with or not allow the TV to RECORD but again in my case I am watching another input that would not interfere with the TV recording from antenna 1 input. This is a serious bug. Is there a firmware upgrade to fix this?

Amen to that...very annoying
post #1568 of 5405
scoombs, garyrall, slimoli;

I was supposed to receive a phone call yesterday from Mit's concerning the status on the update...................honestly, I do not think there is going to be one. The software/firmware corrections may not be incorporated into these sets until next years models are released.

Actually, a 10 second "tune" with TV Guide turned "on" is fairly fast for a Mit's (Samsung is about 2 seconds).....but after your set has added about 40 or more bogus stations (whether is is from TV Guide or Pay Per View or whatever), it can get to the point of taking 45 seconds to "tune" a station, or it can no longer "tune" at all.

The many other brands I have tested with TV Guide do not have that problem. That is not to say that TV Guide itself is not without it's problems.

As far as using the internal hard disk to record...If it were mine, I would do menu 2470 and initialize the set..........set everything up again, and leave the TV Guide off...........AFAIK, the set will not work with the TV Guide on, at least not for long............then "more" tuning you attempt or the more recording you attempt with TV Guide the faster it will corrupt the internal tuner because of the software bugs (super bad design).

I simply could not live with mine which is why I sent it back..............but man on man do I miss that 1080p OTA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is nothing like it.
post #1569 of 5405
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

scoombs, garyrall, slimoli;

I was supposed to receive a phone call yesterday from Mit's concerning the status on the update...................honestly, I do not think there is going to be one. The software/firmware corrections may not be incorporated into these sets until next years models are released.

Actually, a 10 second "tune" with TV Guide turned "on" is fairly fast for a Mit's (Samsung is about 2 seconds).....but after your set has added about 40 or more bogus stations (whether is is from TV Guide or Pay Per View or whatever), it can get to the point of taking 45 seconds to "tune" a station, or it can no longer "tune" at all.

The many other brands I have tested with TV Guide do not have that problem. That is not to say that TV Guide itself is not without it's problems.

As far as using the internal hard disk to record...If it were mine, I would do menu 2470 and initialize the set..........set everything up again, and leave the TV Guide off...........AFAIK, the set will not work with the TV Guide on, at least not for long............then "more" tuning you attempt or the more recording you attempt with TV Guide the faster it will corrupt the internal tuner because of the software bugs (super bad design).

I simply could not live with mine which is why I sent it back..............but man on man do I miss that 1080p OTA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is nothing like it.

If one has cable (or satellite, I presume), then I don't really see what the problem is, for one uses the TV Guide that comes via the stb. I've never turned on the TV Guide from the Mits. And I do use OTA sometime to view HD on network channels, though it's hard for me to tell that it is better than what I get over cable for these same (local) channels.
post #1570 of 5405
That's right. If you don't use the tuners the TV performs according to the specs. The problem is that we want to use the tuners and we have paid for that. This is a Tv and not a monitor only.

Sergio
post #1571 of 5405
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

If one has cable (or satellite, I presume), then I don't really see what the problem is, for one uses the TV Guide that comes via the stb. I've never turned on the TV Guide from the Mits. And I do use OTA sometime to view HD on network channels, though it's hard for me to tell that it is better than what I get over cable for these same (local) channels.

Cable card viewers are probably the ones who will find this most annoying... and people who have the sets with built-in DVRs are the ones who will care most.

-- Mark
post #1572 of 5405
slimoli and mark_wilkins;

Exactly, we are paying premium dollar for something that ought to work.........seems pretty simple to me.

The two major High End stores have completely stop pushing or mentioning Mit's to the customers at all............maybe Mit's will soon get the message? They are pushing Samsung and Sony..........Sony LCD are well received (but they are 720p), but on the SXRD they are taking a lot of those back too (bad PQ) just like they have on the Mit's (bad software)............it does not appear that Samsung has software problems and the PQ is very close to Mit's...their cabinets are a little funky.

JVC 1080p is not available yet, but there has been a lot of talk it has the same PQ problems like the SXRD has.................HP, is off to a bad start trying to get customers service..........can not be demo anywhere............and is way over priced................no one in Houston can demo Toshiba in a HD format..........but the dozen I have seen have poor SD PQ.
post #1573 of 5405
Last Saturday I made the big leap and purchased a 52628. Last night I used others from here color setups to get me going.

Its being used as a monitor currently with a Motorola 6412 III STB via HDMI and a Toshiba SD5980 via HDMI.

I am pleased so far, its not perfect but I dont beleive any of them are. Comming from a 56" analog 4:3 RPT I am in heaven.

Now if I could just sit back and watch it without trying to constanly analize it.
post #1574 of 5405
You guys crack me up! There isn't a bad software on the Mits, dealers haven't stopped pushing them...any sales guy worth his salt sells what he has in stock, and yeah, being near the holidays the Mits are very hard to get. Anyway, the problem with TV guide is GEMSTAR, it is and has never meant to be a end all be all to a programing guide! It is a cheap (FREE) alternative to having NOTHING on your TV! The major problem with TV guide on the Mits is NET COMMAND! There was a problem last year, that is why the "G" version of the Diamond was pushed back several times. There is a problem this year as well, it just flat doesn't like Gemstar! So, get rid of TV Guide, order a cable guide book for the month and enjoy your TV with out the headaches.
Anyway, just trying to help all of us not get addicted to Advil! ;-)
post #1575 of 5405
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

slimoli and mark_wilkins;

Exactly, we are paying premium dollar for something that ought to work.........seems pretty simple to me.


I can say from personal knowledge that firmware is the weakest point in Mitsubishi's entire product development process, so the problems with TV Guide are no surprise to me.

TV Guide aside, from a features and picture quality standpoint, though, they produce a very nice product, if you're planning to use the TV in a way that's consistent with working around its weaknesses.

-- Mark
post #1576 of 5405
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

slimoli and mark_wilkins;

Exactly, we are paying premium dollar for something that ought to work.........seems pretty simple to me.

The two major High End stores have completely stop pushing or mentioning Mit's to the customers at all............maybe Mit's will soon get the message? They are pushing Samsung and Sony..........Sony LCD are well received (but they are 720p), but on the SXRD they are taking a lot of those back too (bad PQ) just like they have on the Mit's (bad software)............it does not appear that Samsung has software problems and the PQ is very close to Mit's...their cabinets are a little funky.

JVC 1080p is not available yet, but there has been a lot of talk it has the same PQ problems like the SXRD has.................HP, is off to a bad start trying to get customers service..........can not be demo anywhere............and is way over priced................no one in Houston can demo Toshiba in a HD format..........but the dozen I have seen have poor SD PQ.

Houstin, I agree with you that it OUGHT to work. I was simply making the point that it is rather straight-forward to work around this glitch and have a very workable arrangement for a unit with an impressive PQ. It's not worth our time to beat a dead horse.
post #1577 of 5405
I received my replacement 73727 yesterday. No blockages from the bottom corners, yet. However, a new problem occurred that I didn't have before. I connect my Comcast 6412 III through HDMI to the TV. Then audio coaxial out to my AVR. I also have digital optical sound directly from the STB to AVR. I lost the sound intermittenly when selecting audio source from the TV. However, when I switched audio source to STB, I get the sound back. This didn't happen with my previous set. Does anyone have this audio source problem? I can live with it but I would prefer the TV source sound. Somehow, it sounds better to my deaf ears.
Also, I didn't notice the fan noise before but I do now.

Anyway, my wife and I watched Victoria Secret Fashion show on HDTV last night. Now I understand why I chose 73" TV (and HD football of course). I kept commenting on how good the picture quality is
post #1578 of 5405
San Jose

The TV doesn't send any 5.1 DD source out through the coax unless the source is the tuner or the I-LINK. Using a HDMI from the cablebox to the TV will only work with 2 Ch material. The TV simply can't process 5.1 sources to its own speakers and that's why it only takes 2 CH . This happens with any set that I know.

Your setup is not the best one. The reason why you should have the COAX-OUT from the TV to the AVR is ONLY to send sound from the tuners when watching programs WITHOUT the cablebox. If you want to have the full 5.1 surround from the cablebox you must use the box-AVR connection.

Sergio
post #1579 of 5405
Hi,
I should be receiving my 52628 on Sunday. I have a Comcast HD DVR with a DVI connector. Any suggestions on whether to use the DVI port (to HDMI) or component outputs? Any suggestions for improved performance?

Thank you,
post #1580 of 5405
Thanks Sergio. I'll set up audio from DVD-AVR and STB-AVR and disconnect the TV-AVR audio line. It's just I didn't want too many input devices switches that my old parents need to do before watching TV/DVD. It's tough enough for them just to turn on all the equipment. Maybe I should look at the Harmony where I can program it for input selection.
post #1581 of 5405
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Originally Posted by qlabdad View Post

Hi,
I should be receiving my 52628 on Sunday. I have a Comcast HD DVR with a DVI connector. Any suggestions on whether to use the DVI port (to HDMI) or component outputs? Any suggestions for improved performance?

Thank you,

My Comcast dvr (6412 III) has an HDMI connection, and I initially connected it to my 73727 HDMI to HDMI. However, because I wanted to use HDMI-2 to connect to my mac laptop, and HDMI-1 for my DVD player, I switched to using component cables to connect the Comcast stb to the 73727. To my eye, the PQ I get with the component connection is as good as the one I got with HDMI.

PS I believe these Mits sets still convert digital video input into analog to do the video processing, and then convert it back to digital for display (someone correct me if I'm wrong!); if this is the case, then it may explain why using the component (analog) input yields as good PQ as a digital (HDMI or DVI) input.
post #1582 of 5405
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Originally Posted by SanJose-Ty View Post

Thanks Sergio. I'll set up audio from DVD-AVR and STB-AVR and disconnect the TV-AVR audio line. It's just I didn't want too many input devices switches that my old parents need to do before watching TV/DVD. It's tough enough for them just to turn on all the equipment. Maybe I should look at the Harmony where I can program it for input selection.

By all means do your folks a favor and buy a Harmony. This is one of the best piece of electronics I have ever seen. Once programmed (very easy) you just hit a key to watch TV or DVD.

Sergio
post #1583 of 5405
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

By all means do your folks a favor and buy a Harmony. This is one of the best piece of electronics I have ever seen. Once programmed (very easy) you just hit a key to watch TV or DVD.

Sergio

Is there a particular model that you recommend?
post #1584 of 5405
I did some more testing with my WD-73927 and discovered that when I am recording a show (on antenna A) that the ability to even change channels on the second input (antenna B) becomes even worse than the normal slow everyday channel changing.

And if you try to pull up the guide while it is recording a program you can just about forget it. FYI... I have disabled the Gemstar guide and am only using the net command guide now... and while it is much faster than the Gemstar guide (without the recorder turned on) it is basically unusable when you are recording a show because it takes about 10 seconds to load.

This leads me to believe that a lot of the problems we are experiencing may be due to a very slow internal processor that just cannot keep up with the commands. And [if this is the case] we will never see a fix because it will most likely mean replacing the processor with a faster one...

As a monitor it works great as a TV & PVR it is not so good

Gary
post #1585 of 5405
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Is there a particular model that you recommend?


It will depend on where you like the keys and if you prefer hard or soft ones. Mine is the 680 and I love it. They all have the same system and basically do the same. The 880 is the fancy one with the color display and people love it.

Sergio
post #1586 of 5405
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Originally Posted by garyrall View Post

I did some more testing with my WD-73927 and discovered that when I am recording a show (on antenna A) that the ability to even change channels on the second input (antenna B) becomes even worse than the normal slow everyday channel changing.

And if you try to pull up the guide while it is recording a program you can just about forget it. FYI... I have disabled the Gemstar guide and am only using the net command guide now... and while it is much faster than the Gemstar guide (without the recorder turned on) it is basically unusable when you are recording a show because it takes about 10 seconds to load.

This leads me to believe that a lot of the problems we are experiencing may be due to a very slow internal processor that just cannot keep up with the commands. And [if this is the case] we will never see a fix because it will most likely mean replacing the processor with a faster one...

As a monitor it works great as a TV & PVR it is not so good

Gary

This unit has serious problems. Even with the guide turned off , after initialize, I keep receiving non-existing channels. Few minutes ago I turned the set on and got sound and no picture. Had to system reset it again. I noticed that ANT-1 was tuned to channel 18-3, a bogus channel not previously on my channel list.

I am starting to get fed up with this TV.

Sergio
post #1587 of 5405
Help!!! I had my first Mit 52628 delivered 3 weeks ago. The fan/color wheel noise was so annoying at low volume levels that I went back to the Sound Advice showroom to listen to the display model and it was much quieter, I had my unit swapped out for a new unit 1 week ago and I am still unhappy with the noise level. I would consider the Sony SXRD if it didn't have the external speakers that add 8" to the width. Any suggestions????
post #1588 of 5405
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Originally Posted by mtalboo View Post

Help!!! I had my first Mit 52628 delivered 3 weeks ago. The fan/color wheel noise was so annoying at low volume levels that I went back to the Sound Advice showroom to listen to the display model and it was much quieter, I had my unit swapped out for a new unit 1 week ago and I am still unhappy with the noise level. I would consider the Sony SXRD if it didn't have the external speakers that add 8" to the width. Any suggestions????

Fan noise seems to vary greatly, depending on the specific room location, and perhaps from one model to another. In my case the back of the set is a few inches from the back wall (the front of the screeen is ~ 25 in from the back wall) and ~3 ft from the side walls on each side (on a bench type stand). I can really detect no noise from the fan. When I use my Radio Shack SPL meter, I measure ~ 59 dB from my Comcast dvr (presumably from the hard disk), with it put right up to the stb. When I put the meter right up to the exhaust from the Mits fan, I measure ~ 50 dB, totally negilible compared to the dvr (which I don't hear from my ~ 10 ft away with any sound at all on).

I had been worried about fan noise since I had heard so much about it. And I was preparing to construct a fiber glass (heating duct insulation) baffle around the fan exhaust (but being careful not to obstruct the air flow). Since it's not a problem for me, I haven't done this.
post #1589 of 5405
I have a question for everybody:

I am in my second set (72927) with EXACTLY the same problems I had with the first one. The 2 major problems I have:

After power off the settings and format on tuner-1 (contrast, brightness...) sometimes are lost and become whatever the settings are for the last used input before the power off.

The most annoying problem, however, is the "sound and no picture". Almost every day I have to do a system reset because when I power the TV on I get no picture. The sound is fine and all the commands apparently work. I can see all the OSD information and even the guide displays fine but no picture from ANY input comes up. I tried to unhook devices using HDMI, since this was the first guess from a Mitsubishi engineer in California, to no avail. Only one other board member posted identical problem with a 62628 set and he also lives in South Florida. My TV-GUIDE has never been turned on again after a initialize and I thought the problem was over but today I had the "sound and no picture' again. I can do a system reset or unplug the TV to restore the picture but this is really annoying. I can return the set again but other brands/model is no option since my wall unit has been custom made for it. I also have to admit that I love the picture when it works.

Any suggestion?

Sergio
post #1590 of 5405
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

I did a full "initialization" (menu ,2740, INITIALIZE) and never turned the TV-GUIDE again. Bogus channels have been added to the channel list every day. After the initialize my TV-GUIDE at Netcommand has been always OFF and no zipcode has been entered. It looks like this TV-GUIDE acts as a virus on this set. When I hit GUIDE I only have the short Mitsubishi guide and the channel list is correct. When I turn the TV ON the tuner always tunes to a channel not in the list.

Sergio

Possible causes are STB, or cable card, or satellite............generally, it should not be doing that if is is OTA "only"..............also, there are times bogus channels can be set up buy simply hitting the "wrong" buttons on the remote control and "if" the turner thinks it should be a channel, then it will set it up too. Any time the "tuner" thinks there should be a new channel it "will" set it up.................also, major overpowered distribution amps can set up bogus channels as well.............unfortunately there is no provision (unlike other brand TV sets) to lock down the tuner to prevent bogus set up of channels.............so with the slightest provocations the Mit's tuner set ups channels - real or not..
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