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Menu 2457 ISF

Also wondering what this service menu means:

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I would also add that the Diamond Shield (Protector for Screen) is an option on the 827 and a standard on the 927. This is not an option on the 727. For me that was more then reason to go up, as animals, small children and dumb adults tend to like to touch the screens.

Maybe for you. But for me, having the 'matte screen' was one of the MAJOR improvements in this year's (1080p) Mits. Last year's 720p sets, with the 'protective' (read 'high glare') screen was a disaster. Maybe it protects against baseballs thrown against it, but it also protects from seeing the picture through the glare. Just my opinion.

I got mine on eBay. Search for WD-73727 and then look for manual2go. (The same manual covers all of the Mits 1080p DLPs. The seller has it listed as WD-73727.)

Thanks JT, just bought the manual on eBay for my 73927.

I see one post re: the new SpyderTV device from Datacolor, wondering if it's really any better than just using Avia or DVE. I've already used both, seems like user controls are pretty limited w/o access to more advanced service menus. For example, I see pretty significant pincushion (as others have reported), and would like to have more control over black levels than just contrast.

Though I love the picture overall, my biggest complaint is that "Bright" is useless, and "Natural" (though much better) just doesn't have enough contrast for my taste. Will look over the service manual then decide whether to plunk down the dough for an ISF tech or try a few things myself.

Looking for someone with the Harmony 880 remote, and the 73927 (or similar Mitsu series with 3 component inputs)..

My remote only allows me to select Comp1 and Comp2, and I need access to the third comp input. I don't even know how it routes directly TO the comp. inputs because the only input option on the remote (as you know) is the device up/down, which brings up the menu of components.. Anyway, if anyone has been successful in accessing Comp3 directly, please let me know Tnx,


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JimK:

If you'd like to spend the rest of your life reading about SpyderTV, visit the the Display Calibration forum.

There are discrete codes to get to many of the inputs but, as far as I know, no one has found one for Comp3 yet. Search this thread for "090" for more information.

I have the Harmony 680 and had no luck getting a direct code for comp3. Harmony tech support said Mitsubishi has not provided them with it. I have my PS2 plugged into comp3. The workaround is to add some commands to the end of the activity. Have the activity go to comp2 or whatever input you have to the left of your comp3 input when you bring up your device list. Add a command for a 2 second pause, device menu button, 2 sec pause, next device button, 2 second pause, enter button. This will force the TV to set to comp3 programatically. You may be able to make the pauses shorter. I haven't reprogrammed my remote to see what the limit is. This works pretty well. I haven't had any problems switching inputs, it just takes a few seconds to complete.

Hi all,
Read quite a few of these posts, mosts are impressed with the overall pic and performance of the Mits WD-73727.

Well I have just purchased one (thanks, I hope!) I live in upstate NY and the dealer is in NJ so it should be delivered in a few days. I think I got a pretty good price? (I'll take comments if or if not) $4288 + OEM stand $343, shipping $230 (no tax since I'm one state over. My local dealer said he can't touch this? I'm paying with AmEx for buyer protection as as an added precaution (although the dealer says I can also pay & pickup too) has given me several contacts (past customers).

I currently have a brand new Hitachi Ultravision 70" LCD which is going up on my loft area (migration they call that!). My mega research was landing either on this Mitsu or a Tosh 72MX195 (or 72HS195). Hopefully I will have plenty of Pro's (and not many cons) to add to my new family room set. The reason why I'm uploading my LCD to my loft is that the contrast was not to my whole hearted interest of my personal inter desires The LCD pic however looks better on "fast" moving HD (or even SD) than the DLP's BUT.... I'm willing to sacrifice (some?)

I'll keep you posted if anyone is still interested in this (probably by now) outdated set. I have always been a Mitsu (CRT) big screen fan. Now I guess I entered in the TI world of it.

Top_Speed out!

Top_Speed: Congrats on your purchase! You got a good deal, and hope all goes well with setting up your set. I am thoroughly pleased with mine!

My father-in-law is interested in the WD-73727. I'm thinking of suggesting he buy a Panasonic S97 DVD player to go with it. The only weakness I have seen with the S97 is the macroblocking issue on devices susceptible to it. Does the WD-73727 show macroblocking when used with this DVD player? Anyone here using the S97 with their WD-73727? If so, how do you like it and what length of HDMI cable does it come with? Thanks for any input.

I had MB'ing with a Denon 2910 and my Mits 73727; it wasn't horrible, but noticeable. The Pioneer 59avi is beautiful with the Mits, but is more costly.

I just purchased a WD-62627 and I must be honest I could not be more disgusted with this TV so far. I am hoping that it's just me and my wife, but we find the color to be terrible. In order to get the reds right, we lose the green and to fix the green we wind up losing the reds. I am ready to take this back to the store and get myself a sony. Does anyone have any suggestions before I give up? I have tried all sorts of combinations for this TV and it's always the same. Sacrificing greens for reds and vice versa. I found 1 set of color settings in this thread and they looked better but they didn't get the red close. I would appreciate any and all suggestions

OK, here is what I have finally wound up with:

Perfect Color: Magenta 53
Red 23
Yellow 31
Green 30
Cyan 27
Blue 30
Color Temp: Low
Sharpness: 0
Tint: 32
Color: 31
Brightness: 36
Contrast: 31
Bright/Natural: Natural
Video Noise: Standard
Sharp Edge: off
DeepFieldImager: on

Good luck! Hope you get it adjusted to your taste. I find the colors on my Mits to be one of its very best features. But note: I have had an ISF calibration.

PS Just realized that your set doesn't have 'Sharp Edge' or 'DeepFieldImager', which is just as well, since most people sent them to 'off'. (I have DFI 'on', but it makes little difference.)

Why on earth would you suggest someone hook up a $70 dvd player to a $5000 display device? IMO, The source is the most critical piece in the Home Theater chain and the DVD player is not the place to go cheap.

ISF calibration

I'd love to know where you can get this player for $70, the best I've seen is $240. According to Secrets Benchmarks this player is considered very good. My reasoning is to suggest not getting a higher end $700+ DVD player when it might only be needed for a few years until a High-Def player is purchased.

Sorry, I left out the 2, we sell this piece for $269.95. Its not a terrible player but you can do a lot better. The current DVD standard will be around for a LONG TIME even after HD or Blu hit the market. SACD and DVD-A haven't slowed down CD sales and last time I checked BlockBuster still has VHS movies on its shelfs.

while i agree that the hd conversion is likely to be slow vhs is dead at our blockbuster. no shelf space at all. they've completely converted to dvd.

jim

Fair enough, So when do you see them completely converting to Blu or HD? At what time do you believe all new releases will be available on the new formats?
(Hint, not any time soon )

sorry, back to topic

So the ISF calibration is really worth it? How were your colors prior to the ISF cal? The intermediate colors look good on my set out of the box, but while there is a pretty strong red hue to everything, the reds and blues are almost completely washed out. I feel like I am watching Sin City where they use a few colors over black and white.

I just picked up my 62628.

Thanks for this thread. I was wondering why my HD channels changed so slow.

Whether ISF is 'worth it' is very subjective (as is so much in this AV hobby!). I had done a pretty good job with DVE, but the ISF really did improve it, even to my amateur eyes. Setting the gray scale accurately, getting the color temp at 6500K pretty uniformly over the whole IRE range, and getting the 'color space coordinates' right on the mark, is something one just cannot do without intruments and being in the Service Menu. And again, these things really did make a visual difference (not just something one can measure with instruments)--not a 'revolutionary' improvement, but a significant 'evolutionary' one. Whether it's worth ~$400 to you is a personal thing; it was for me.

millerwill, just a few of questions, if you don't mind:
did you tweak your settings to your own preferences after calibration? or are those what the calibration produced?
also, correct me if i'm wrong, but other people would likely not find your settings as useful because the settings you posted go along with the changes made in the SM, right?
how long did the whole calibration process take?
thanks.

Yes, these are the settings the calibration produced (except for DFI which I decided to switch 'on'), and I did not do any tweaking after the ISF (except maybe one notch or so in tint). And yes, you are right, they may not be relevant for others since my set has had the gray scale, color space, etc., adjustments in the SM; that' why I mentioned this caveat in my post. But anyone can try them and see if they do any good in their situation.

Within 24hrs I have just upgraded my 73727 to the 827. I pick it up tomorrow (Thurs). I'm thinking the pic is the same? but I like the all black cabinet and the HD may be nice.

Q? Why do they call this a "Diamond" series. Just because of the HD?

Anyway my cost (was) $4288 for the 727 and now with the upgarde to the 827 it is $5045.97 including tax! (no stand in stock for this model so I'll wait on that) Guess its a coffee table with a black cloth for now.

ahh the sacrifices you have to make

Hope I made a good choice. So what is this Diamond thing? What am I getting other than a black cabinet and a 160GB HD??

Thanks for your insight and info...
KJ Miller (top_speed)

Thanks for the info. I guess it didn't occur to me to turn the speakers off. Hopefully it will solve the problem. Thanks!!!

snuba,

I see you use the S77 as your DVD player. have you experienced and macroblocking with the Mits.

With the recent discussion of PQ and ISF calibration I thought I would add this link to a thread about a new calibration disc for DLP and other fixed pixel displays

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9&page=1&pp=30