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post #301 of 5599
They are, she had a doctor do an ultrasound on them live on her tv show.
post #302 of 5599
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Originally Posted by jacksonian View Post

They are, she had a doctor do an ultrasound on them live on her tv show.

In HD I would hope
post #303 of 5599
Image retention goes away - burn-in does not. As I said, the set is toast. Thats why I went back a few days later. Not only was the ESPN still there, now there is also INHD. And I'm not talking look at an off screen, or a white field, and look closely. I'm talking easy to see on any video content.

I also don't pay much attention to worrying about burn in on my Panny or the 5050 I'm using until the 5060 gets here, but the 4360 in BB is very susceptible to it.

- Chris
post #304 of 5599
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Just wondering if anyone has shipping confirmation or actually received a 5060 from an authorized online dealer or B&M other than BB?


I just recieved my shipping confirmation from TVA. I should get my new 5060 the 7th!
post #305 of 5599
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Image retention goes away - burn-in does not. As I said, the set is toast. Thats why I went back a few days later. Not only was the ESPN still there, now there is also INHD. And I'm not talking look at an off screen, or a white field, and look closely. I'm talking easy to see on any video content.

I also don't pay much attention to worrying about burn in on my Panny or the 5050 I'm using until the 5060 gets here, but the 4360 in BB is very susceptible to it.

- Chris


Never had any burn in issues with our PDP-505HD - 3g model. Perhaps they have had the images on for many hours straight. I've seen burn in on many different industrial sets, including Panasonic. Even computer CRTs burn in eventually.

Granted, they have only had the 4360s for a short time, but who knows what content they are playing. Our BB plays many different loops, which is the smartest way to go. All plasmas are subject to it if a constant image is displayed long enough - I don't think it is just the new Pios.
post #306 of 5599
T2starr,

I was wondering which TVA Warehouse your 5060 was coming from.

Take Care,

Richard
post #307 of 5599
I knew they had to be real...

post #308 of 5599
Well I finally ordered my 5060 from TVA and it too will be arriving on the 7th or the 11th of October.

I was wondering if anybody that has one could post their setting for it, or would the settings for the "official Pioneer thread" for the 5050's be the same?
post #309 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Trblmkr View Post

Well I finally ordered my 5060 from TVA and it too will be arriving on the 7th or the 11th of October.

I was wondering if anybody that has one could post their setting for it, or would the settings for the "official Pioneer thread" for the 5050's be the same?

My settings vary slightly for different inputs, and from what I've seen I probably have the contrast higher set than most people. Here are my settings for the ANT input, for what I think looks best on HD via CableCard:


Contrast: 35
Brightness: +3
Color: -10
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
PureCinema: standard
Color Temp: low
CTI: on
DNR: mid
MPEG NR: mid
post #310 of 5599
eelton,

How's the TV Guide feature? I know all previous electronics that have used it have pretty much "fumbled the ball". Did Pioneer get it right?
post #311 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Deathstalker View Post

T2starr,

I was wondering which TVA Warehouse your 5060 was coming from.

Take Care,

Richard


they tell me Las Vegas. I 'm not sure why it would take a week, however, as I am in the San Francisco Bay area.
post #312 of 5599
T2starr,

It sounds like TVA is giving everyone the same ETA. I hope they arrive ahead of schedule.

Take Care,

Richard
post #313 of 5599
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

eelton,

How's the TV Guide feature? I know all previous electronics that have used it have pretty much "fumbled the ball". Did Pioneer get it right?

I can't really say. It appears my cable company blocks the guide data (I assume inadvertently), as the guide just says it's acquiring data, but remains blank.

I tried connecting a makeshift antenna to the B input for a day or two. The guide populated partially, and then stopped. When I get around to it, I'll connect it to the rooftop antenna I use for OTA HD.
post #314 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Deathstalker View Post

T2starr,

It sounds like TVA is giving everyone the same ETA. I hope they arrive ahead of schedule.

Take Care,

Richard

I hope it arrives Friday. I work 24 hours straight starting Thursday am, and will have Friday off to play with my new toy!

Dave
post #315 of 5599
T2starr,

I am hoping for Friday too, since Sunday is the Big 4 - 0 for me, and I would hate for it to arrive after my B-Day.

Take Care,

Richard
post #316 of 5599
Deathstalker,

Happy B-Day in advance
post #317 of 5599
D-Nice -

I have been using the TV Guide feature and I think it works really well. I went ahead and did the auto channel scan first and then let the TV Guide load its listings overnight. Guide works great. Very responsive and has correct listings. Also, the setup only took 3 screens and they have options for digital / non-digital gateway settings. Pretty cool / intelligent.


Also, I haven't noticed in "glitches" that I have seen with the normal Cox Cable digital boxes and their built-in guide.
post #318 of 5599
Also, I am happy to report that after exchanging my first 5060 that had three dead pixels I have received one that has no deadies!! Hopefully I am not jinxing myself here

I was also having problems with my S-Video and Component inputs showing a "rolling" bar that moved vertically from top to bottom. This is gone now that I have exchanged for another MR. Not really sure why I had the bad luck with my first Display/MR. Hopefully no new buyers will have these issues.
post #319 of 5599
Further - has anybody tried calibrating their display with THX optimizer?? Hehe...don't bother you won't be able to adjust the brightness correctly. The 5050 was very easy to calibrate once I had DRE on, but with DRE off there was not way to adjust the brightness correctly on the THX test screen.

The 5060 must not have DRE on / available. If anybody knows how to turn it on via Service Menu let us know eh?

Even though DRE appears to be MIA with the 5060 I just love the black level on this thing!! The depth of the image is so much better than the 5050. After adjusting my eyes to the 5060 for about a week or so and after having the 5050 for a month I cannot / will not go back to the 5050 picture.
post #320 of 5599
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Originally Posted by augmental View Post

D-Nice -

I have been using the TV Guide feature and I think it works really well. I went ahead and did the auto channel scan first and then let the TV Guide load its listings overnight. Guide works great. Very responsive and has correct listings. Also, the setup only took 3 screens and they have options for digital / non-digital gateway settings. Pretty cool / intelligent.


Also, I haven't noticed in "glitches" that I have seen with the normal Cox Cable digital boxes and their built-in guide.

Thanks for the info.
post #321 of 5599
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Further - has anybody tried calibrating their display with THX optimizer?? Hehe...don't bother you won't be able to adjust the brightness correctly. The 5050 was very easy to calibrate once I had DRE on, but with DRE off there was not way to adjust the brightness correctly on the THX test screen.

The 5060 must not have DRE on / available. If anybody knows how to turn it on via Service Menu let us know eh?

Even though DRE appears to be MIA with the 5060 I just love the black level on this thing!! The depth of the image is so much better than the 5050. After adjusting my eyes to the 5060 for about a week or so and after having the 5050 for a month I cannot / will not go back to the 5050 picture.

Whoa, so you are saying you cannot get blacker than black on the 5060? Anyone else want to confirm this? This may be the final answer I need on deciding between the 5060 or 1130.
post #322 of 5599
Yes you can get blacker blacks with a CRT
post #323 of 5599
Not blacker blacks.... blacker THAN black (BTB).....you know Pluge test.
post #324 of 5599
Ah yes...I think the Pluge test is on my Sound & Vision calibration disc. I don't have the full fledged AVIA disc. I will see what this test reveals.
post #325 of 5599
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Whoa, so you are saying you cannot get blacker than black on the 5060? Anyone else want to confirm this? This may be the final answer I need on deciding between the 5060 or 1130.

I can confirm this; I noticed it when calibrating my 5061 with Video Essentials--the blacker than black stripe was barely discernable, even when raising the brightness. I therefore set the black level by determining at what point the black areas began to become lighter.
post #326 of 5599
Ouch,

Thanks eelton. Well folks, I guess I'll be getting a 930 and 1130. Removing DRE is a major blow for the 60 series.
post #327 of 5599
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Ouch,

Thanks eelton. Well folks, I guess I'll be getting a 930 and 1130. Removing DRE is a major blow for the 60 series.

I was under the impression that the 5060 had DRE on with no control to turn it off. There was discussion about this, maybe in the first 6th gen thread that was closed when that lucky dog, Eelton, got the first unit among us. You might find it with a search.

That said, I think the Elites are well worth the small price differential given all the benefits.... cosmetics, swivel stand, day/night modes, individual color adjustments, more levels of color balance and noise reduction settings, more video modes, and "Active" DRE with several adjustments (dynamic contrast, black level, automatic contrast limiter, and gamma control), pc card input for photos, plus a two year warranty.

I'm particularly looking forward to the ability to finely adjust black level/contrast/gamma settings with these controls.
post #328 of 5599
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post

I was under the impression that the 5060 had DRE on with no control to turn it off.

I think that was someone's conjecture, but not confirmed. I didn't connect the lack of a DRE setting with the "invisibility" of the blacker-than-black stripe until D-Nice pointed it out.

For those who have older models and who have tried DRE on and off, what am I missing? I know conceptually what it's supposed to do, but how much of a difference does it make in the image? As I recall, CNET's review of the 5050 suggested it be left off.
post #329 of 5599
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Originally Posted by eelton View Post

I think that was someone's conjecture, but not confirmed. I didn't connect the lack of a DRE setting with the "invisibility" of the blacker-than-black stripe until D-Nice pointed it out.

For those who have older models and who have tried DRE on and off, what am I missing? I know conceptually what it's supposed to do, but how much of a difference does it make in the image? As I recall, CNET's review of the 5050 suggested it be left off.

Interesting! If this is true, it represents a major difference between the core and elite lines. One way to find out if DRE is on or off in the core line is to email Pio at customer.support@pioneerservice.com.

Regarding the benefits of on or off... I recall discussion in the 2005 Pio thread. Here are a couple of posts to start with:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...RE#post5776372
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post6138903

I think Mooneydriver explains it best... DRE increases the dynamic range of the contrast, ie, difference between black and white. It therefore increases real or perceived contrast and deepens real or perceived black level. This is at the expense of grayscale detail.

Maybe Pio decided that the 6th gen's blacks were deep enough without DRE and got rid of it to preserve detail (total speculation).
post #330 of 5599
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post

One way to find out if DRE is on or off in the core line is to email Pio at customer.support@pioneerservice.com.

I just e-mailed them. I'll let you know what they say!
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