Official Pioneer 4360/5060/Elite Experiences, Set-up, Questions & Pictures Thread!!! - Page 101

Could you pm me the info on how to do this as well, thanks!

it's just the video dropping out. i always have audio. i think it may be the receiver. (or just D*TV's technology) as the receiver is always slow to respond and i read that most of the problems with HDMI cables show up as sparklies. now that i think about it, if it was the cable, the problem would show up more frequently i would think. it's only for a split second and very rarely. probably the comression of the source causing it.

Ok, you were right

the problem is, that it asked me to choose between 4 different comcast settings (some numbers after them, I assume codes for their location branch)....I chose one ,and it was the wrong one.

I assume I can goto change that, right?

Could someone pls pm me the info on how to check the hours on a 4360? Thanks.

Does anyone know what the best resolution is to set your p.c. to when connecting to this tv via vga?

Agree with all of the above. Notes...

- I thought FOX was broadcast in 720p, anyone in know. Also is DTV HD in 1080i?

- I need to try more 480i to see what works best.

- The judder is rather annoying. It seems almost like it is picking the wrong frame division when it maps a single 24Hz frame to 72Hz (like the processor breaks in the middle of a 24Hz frame. Or is could be that the content already has 24-30Hz conversion and that the 72Hz refresh establishes a beat frequency.

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Guys (and gals)...

My Dad pulled the trigger on the 1130HD. But after reading the advice/comments in this thread and making some general comments to him, he's now all freaked about regarding the TV.

Primarily, his concerns are around image retention and burn in. I told him we'll have to tweak the settings, etc. initally to prevent this from happened, but also commented on him having to vary his programs. So he no thinks he has to change the channels every 5 minutes.

I then read the issues around the ESPN HD bars... Is that really an issue? Does he have to stretch the image each and every time?

He's going with Comcast and the DCT 3412 for HD (whatever the motorola box is with DVR capabilites and HDMI). Anyone have any experiences with this box?

Finally, for someone who just wants to watch TV and not worry about a lot of this stuff, what is the best way to get the TV broken in? When we talked this morning, he said there wasn't anything in the manual regarding image retention.

Please help!

Thanks.

Adjust the contrast/brightness as low as you can stand it for about the first 100-200 hrs. having the correct settings is half the battle against burn-in and image retention. Also stretch 4:3 material (or material with bars) if watching for more than 2 hrs. If you follow those basic guidelines, you should have very very minimal problems with image retention and no burn in.

Once you're past the 100-200 hour mark, you should be able to do anything you want and have no problems at all. The phosphors are a little picky during the first 100-200 hrs. After that, you wont have any issues at all.

If you do see any image retention, dont freak out, just tune to a station without bars or logos and watch for a couple hours. That will take care of the retention. Remember, image retention is not permanent.

Lastly, remember that this site is filled with Audio/Video Freaks. We pay way more attention to little bitty things than most people do. Some things you read us freaking out about are really really small issues that a lot of people wont even be able to see unless its directly pointed out to them.

other little points you brought up:
ESPN bars definetly are a problem during the first 100 hrs of the set. In fact, those bars are practically the worst thing you can do to your set. You should stretch if they are going to be on for more than 75% of the time you are watching the channel.
the 6412 comcast box is ok. the settings in my signature link are for that box. But it has its problems. There is a huge thread in the recorder forum about the 6412 and its issues.
Best way to set up the tv... settings from dnice or my sig link, set tv to stretch all sd content. Then just pay attention for static images. It really doesnt take long to get past the 100hr mark, and when you do, you'll be much more happy in knowing your tv wont have any problems for a very very long time.

No, the manual isn't going to warn the owner of that potential. Print out the "break in" procedure from that thread and give it to him so that he follows along with that for the first 100 hours of use. He's aware of the potential problem, and should act accordingly. He couldn't have chosen a nicer plasma, so he should stop worrying about it and just enjoy it.

That's what I told him... Just enjoy the darn thing...

Is there a specific break in procedure for the 1130 that I should print out?

After reading many many times on this sticky and on the site in general I have finally committed to getting a PIO 43 this Friday(I am so excited and nervous at the same time). To be on the safe side I wanted if you fine people could just give me a pat on the back and tell me if I'm on the right path or not.

Here goes:

1. Having the DVD player and Cable box (Time Warner NYC) hooked up via HDMI to the Set.

2. Making sure that all material is stretched to fill the entire screen. Turning down the contrast and brightness below the standard for at least 200 hrs. I was going to use the settings for the 1130 I saw in this post earlier.

3. Possibly using the breakin disc to increase the speed of this period as well as having it done evenly and at night.

4. Vary viewing. Try not to stay on programs for more than two hrs at a time especially if logos are present.

5. And the last is more of a question. I am going to be giving a lesson on my plasma to my wife and our sitter about how to treat the new member of the family. What limits should I have about my sitter playing children programs during the day (nogginDisney etc) Should I put her on a time limit, and ask her to choose other programming after a certain time or to turn of the tv? Should cartoons or animated programming be off limits even on DVD?

Just some thoughts. You guys have tons of knowledge and at times almost too much for mere mortals to handle...LOL

Just a member about to take a hell of a plunge.

Thanks

Hello Everybody!

After months and months of reading this forum I pulled the trigger on the PRO-1130HD this past Saturday. Delivery will take place on Friday.

A few questions:

There has been some talk that the 1130 will take a 1080p signal over the HDMI or, at the very least, over the component input and then down-convert it to the panel resolution. Any truth to this rumour?

Has anyone actually had their set ISF calibrated yet? What were the results like?

Has anoyone had any problems with their Media Box overheating? I'm going to have to locate mine in a pretty cramped shelving unit with only about an inch of clearance on all sides. Should I be concerned?

Thanks to everyone for all their help! It was down to the wire: the 1130 Vs. the NEC 50XR5. I'm thinking I made the right choice... especially at the killer price I paid.

My 1130 is about 1 month old and the message "starting up, please wait" has begun popping up when I turn on the unit and doesn't go away unless I unplug and plug the power to the media box. However after it sits off for several hours with it plugged in and turn it back on the message comes up again. I have tried everything from immediately unplugging and plugging it back in to leaving it unplugged over night.

I called Pioneer Tech support and the said it needs a possible firmware upgrade which is hard to believe as it was manufactured in January 2006!

If anyone else has any insite on how to fix this problem I would appreciated knowing.

Scrib:
I am breaking-in my brand new 1130HD plasma screen and simultaneously burning-in the electronics (to quickly fail any marginal components during my 30 day return period) by playing the 1130HD non-stop 24/7 for 7-10 days using an auto repeating 1.78:1 DVD 140 minute movie (Elizabethtown) via HDMI on Input 3 ----- with the 1130HD set using all the D-Nice recommended break-in settings including low Contrast and low brightness ---- and power set at SAVE2 ---- and the screen set at Zoom to assure a full screen. Room temperature is 55 degrees.

I am now in my 6th day. All is going very well. During this time I am watching my old clunker TV. No big deal. Have patience --- and you will watch this great plasma in tip-top condition for many many years !!!

Before starting this combined break-in/burn-in operation ---- I tested and verified every input and output of the 1130HD. All OK. I will re-test these I/Os after my 7-10 day test.

Good luck --- CharlesG

After reading this forum for weeks, I decided to purchase the PDP-1050 from Coza, Inc.--an authorized Pioneer dealer. Since I did a search on Coza when I was deciding where to buy, I thought I'd let future buyers know that Coza was courteous, professional and got the TV to me in CA in less than five days. The TV arrived in perfect condition.

I'll leave the price out--other than to say I was happy with the price I paid.

Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread for the help on all manner of topics.

Maybe this is a really silly question but where is some of this from (information source)?

- Have contrast and brightness settings turned down for 200 hours. Is there an authoritative source? I have seen the break-in settings (and I basically am using them), but why 100 hours (or in this case 200 hours)???

- Try not to stay on a certain type of content for more that 2 hours. Why 2 hours, was this ever recommended by any manufacture?

- Not displaying children's cartoons??? Okay, again is there anything anywhere that says this content is not appropriate for this display?

My bottom line question is why so velvet gloved on this? I understand not showing a freeze frame for long periods of time or not showing content that has letter box or piller boxing for extended periods, but 2 hours and no cartoons? This seems to making the set out to be something that needs to be treated very gently to work well.

From what I understand about the state of the art for these displays is that none of this is needed and only severe freeze frame, repeatitive content poses a problem. Heck the 1130 in my local B&M looks fine after hours and hours of crappy content, and wild settings. Is there even any authority for needing a 100 hour break-in (I understand cars needs one for mechanical tolerences but after working for a hardware manufacturer for a number of years, I have seen no need for an special treatment period beyond factory burn-in. BTW, is factory burn-in counted as hours and how long is it and does it actually involve displaying images or jsut running the electronics?

I guess this really boils down to, is there an authoritative source for all this break in stuff? Where does 100 hours, 2 hours, HDMI only, or no cartoons all come from?

Thanks,
Geoff

I'm looking at the smiley legend to see if there are any applauding smileys - I don't see any, but would put one here if there was one. I totally agree with Geoff that what I'm reading about plasma break-in borders on being clinically compulsive. Not only that, but leaving it on for hours on end displaying these special break-in DVDs - I think I read that somewhere - seems harmful - at least it would seem to decrease the life of the plasma for no proven reason.

Don't forget you owe us a review beyond the Vendor testimonial?

I'm getting my 1130 Friday and will turn the contrast down for the first 100 hrs.. Might as well be safe than sorry.. Funny thing is no where in the Pioneer manual does it say it needs to be broken in...

However, I was reading the Panasonic thread and there is a section in break-in for their displays... What's the difference? Strange...

What about the displays we see on display? Does the store break them in? It looks like they come out of the box in torch mode and stays like that through whatever material is on? I have never seen a Plasma with image retention at a store..

I don't know about the science of it, but I fell asleep watching an ESPN HD game on my less than 2 week old 5060. When I awoke, the custom ESPN side bars and the white logo were on the display, and probably had been for several hours. Later that morning, while watching "Sunrise Earth" on Discovery HD, I noticed that the stripes from ESPN's side bars were clearly visible and so was the logo.

I played the SVCD break in disk available on the master break in thread to get out the retained images. The side bar stripes eventually faded but the ESPN logo was still visible after 5 hours. Fortunately, it was gone after 10 hours of playing that break in disk.

If I had any doubts about breaking in the plasma to prevent burn in, that experience removed them. If it takes almost 10 hours of using a break in disk to remove an after image created from just a few hours of viewing ESPN-HD in its non-HD mode, I have no doubt that burn in is a risk for newer sets.

Overscan settings with a DCT6412....who's done it on this set and how? I've noticed every channel has different overscan. For example, ESPN HD. The bars on one side are larger than on the other. If you use that as a model, it throws off all the other channels. ABC HD for instance. Black bars on the side might be 5" on one side and 6" on another. Use that as a model and everything else is messed up. If you use the Comcast guide from the 6412 as a model, forget it. Throws everything off to the right. There just doesn't seem to be a good model for overscan settings.

You might want to read my earlier post about my experience with judder.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...99#post7218299

I totally agree. And I also agree that burn in is also discussed a bit too much. I have saved and worked very hard for this TV set and I was just curious about settings and program content. I just wanted to know when individuals discussed varying your program content what that indeed meant. I know that although it is not mentioned in the PIO manual. Breaking in the plasma is wise to do. So I just wanted to know about television stations that have the super size logos on the screen such as Nickelodeonnogginand Disney that are played a lot during the day for my daughter. Like I stated before, I will be giving instructions to how NOT to treat a TV. And I wanted to see if I was on the right path.

That's all.

Can someone verify that the Pioneer PDK-1013 Table Top Stand will work with the 5060? They look so much better than the stand that comes with the 5060, not to mention that they swivel. You can get one pretty cheap on Ebay.

I'm sometimes seeing horizontal interlaced lines on the edges of objects... more often during horizontal pans, I think... is this also a symptom of judder? Or perhaps just poor de-interlacing. Although I think I've even seen it on DVD sources (my player is 480p) as well as HDTV (1080i) which makes less sense. I could be wrong, I need to test more.

It's quite interesting that the tech support admitted they don't have powerful enough hardware to support the Pure Cinema feature (at least with 1080i sources)! That basically means no pulldown with 1080i? Or is some level of pulldown done with it set to off?

Fox is indeed in 720p:
http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5119938-1.html

I have the 5060 with the PDK-1013 stand. Works perfectly.

Dale

gheesh.....anyway of disabling the TVGuide from coming on automatically everytime I turn the TV on?

Viventis:
Do not underestimate the need for a 100 hour plasma break-in followed by a 900 hour plasma precaution period. The exact Why and How are technically detailed by Panasonic and Pioneer in:

http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/...erformance.php

Since the need for plasma break-in is not particularly friendly for potential plasma TV customers --- I would guess that break-in is not widely advertised.

I did the 100 hour break-in using the Panasonic controlled conditions and the looping DVD movie technique described by Pioneer. Not a big deal. You may want to do the same.

P.S. -- I too go to sleep watching TV --- so I had to remove myself from screwing up my first 100 hours by using very controlled guaranteed conditions. The looping DVD movie per Pioneer, with settings based on Panasonic (I used D-Nice settings) is a solution.

Good luck --- CharlesG