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post #5041 of 5599
Hi Guys,

I am very happy to report that I've had my PIO 1130 for almost a year now without any problems. The unit was ISF calibrated after 200 hrs using DNICE's break-in settings. The PQ has been outstanding to date and in my opinion is just as good as any of the new plasmas on the market today.

1130 MR is HDMI connected to a DTV H20-600. Has anyone tried connecting
an outdoor OTA HD antenna directly into the MR unit? What were the results? My goal is to receive OTA local HD channels w/o connecting to the H20-600.

Thanks,
George
post #5042 of 5599
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Originally Posted by GRH View Post

Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried connecting
an outdoor OTA HD antenna directly into the MR unit? What were the results? My goal is to receive OTA local HD channels w/o connecting to the H20-600.

Thanks,
George


I have a Zenith Silver Sensor in my attic which is split to two rooms. In the secondary room, the cable is split again to go to a Sony 30" direct-view set with an ATSC tuner and to an HR10-250 (where the signal gets split again internally). In the primary room, the cable is split to go to the 1130HD and to an HR10-250 (where it gets split again as before). So, the 1130HD is receiving approximately 25% of the signal from my antenna. It picks up all the channels that I can receiver and, in my opinion, has the best tuner of all the above-mentioned. It's nice to be able to watch a local channel when my HDTivo is recording two shows. The TVGuide doesn't work very good though.
post #5043 of 5599
I'm also happy to report that my PDP-5060 has been performing flawlessly for a year now as well. The picture quality is as good as the first day i saw it.

I'm so glad i purchased this plasma at the time because i am not sure about the newer plasmas without the media receiver. I like the idea of having all direct connections to an external box.
post #5044 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

I have a Zenith Silver Sensor in my attic which is split to two rooms. In the secondary room, the cable is split again to go to a Sony 30" direct-view set with an ATSC tuner and to an HR10-250 (where the signal gets split again internally). In the primary room, the cable is split to go to the 1130HD and to an HR10-250 (where it gets split again as before). So, the 1130HD is receiving approximately 25% of the signal from my antenna. It picks up all the channels that I can receiver and, in my opinion, has the best tuner of all the above-mentioned. It's nice to be able to watch a local channel when my HDTivo is recording two shows. The TVGuide doesn't work very good though.

Jediphish,

Thank you for the feedback. I am curious which MR antenna connection did you use A or B for OTA signal feed?

George
post #5045 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by GRH View Post

Jediphish,

Thank you for the feedback. I am curious which MR antenna connection did you use A or B for OTA signal feed?

George


Only the A input has an ATSC tuner. The B input only receives NTSC signals (analog channels), so I didn't bother splitting the signal just for that. That's the only way I'd get P-I-P, but I could care less about having P-I-P with an analog signal that has snow and ghosting.
post #5046 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

I have a Zenith Silver Sensor in my attic which is split to two rooms. In the secondary room, the cable is split again to go to a Sony 30" direct-view set with an ATSC tuner and to an HR10-250 (where the signal gets split again internally). In the primary room, the cable is split to go to the 1130HD and to an HR10-250 (where it gets split again as before). So, the 1130HD is receiving approximately 25% of the signal from my antenna. It picks up all the channels that I can receiver and, in my opinion, has the best tuner of all the above-mentioned. It's nice to be able to watch a local channel when my HDTivo is recording two shows. The TVGuide doesn't work very good though.

Utilizing multiple splices in an RF signal does not equate to a percentage drop for each split, does it? If I understand your post correctly, you are thinking that four splices equates to a 75% signal loss.

I believe this is incorrect. Each splitter should have a rating of loss on it, and I think 3.5 dB loss is typical for a two-way splitter (one input, two outputs).

Am I out in left field here?

Mark
post #5047 of 5599
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Utilizing multiple splices in an RF signal does not equate to a percentage drop for each split, does it? If I understand your post correctly, you are thinking that four splices equates to a 75% signal loss.

I believe this is incorrect. Each splitter should have a rating of loss on it, and I think 3.5 dB loss is typical for a two-way splitter (one input, two outputs).

Am I out in left field here?

Mark


Someone else will know more about this than I, but I thought I read somewhere on this board that 3.5 dB drop is essentially equivalent to a 50% reduction, but I could be wrong. From my experience, cutting the signal in half (splitting it two ways) will not necessarily diminish signal strength by half (as measured by internal meters (which may just be measuring bit-error rates), if you have a very strong signal to begin with.
post #5048 of 5599
can one of the pio owners tell me where the pio 4360HD is made in? is it made in japan and assembled in mexico like the panny or it's made/assembled in japan 100%?
post #5049 of 5599
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Originally Posted by fatlove View Post

can one of the pio owners tell me where the pio 4360HD is made in? is it made in japan and assembled in mexico like the panny or it's made/assembled in japan 100%?

As for my 1130, it's made in the Boonies of Iowa. Seriously, it says, "assembled in USA" with Japan and USA components.
post #5050 of 5599
does the pio plasma automatically stretch HD signal that broadcast in 4:3 to 16:9? another words, will you see the two black pillars on some of the HD channels?

trying to do some final comparison shopping between panny 42" 9uk and the 4350Hd. any input would be appreciated.
post #5051 of 5599
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Originally Posted by fatlove View Post

does the pio plasma automatically stretch HD signal that broadcast in 4:3 to 16:9? another words, will you see the two black pillars on some of the HD channels?

trying to do some final comparison shopping between panny 42" 9uk and the 4350Hd. any input would be appreciated.


There is no such thing as an HD signal that is broadcast in 4:3. Channels do, however, broadcast 4:3 matieral, in an upconverted HD format quite often. When they do this, they either insert black pillars into the 16:9 image at the point of transmission (which I believe is what you are referring to), or they crop or stretch the material to fill the widescreen area (e.g., TNT-HD). Most HD TVs will recognize these signals as HD (because they will be transmitted in 720p or 1080i regardless of whether its true HD or upconverted) and will display them using your set's "Full" aspect ratio. If you want to elminate the black bars from upconverted material, you can use the Wide setting on the Pioneer to stretch the image. I'm not aware of sets that do this automatically.
post #5052 of 5599
sticky
post #5053 of 5599
Hi guys I'm new to this forum and I've got it down to two TVs.

(Pioneer Elite 50" Plasma & Sony KDLXBR3 46" LCD)

My question is this, since Plasma's are know for burning in program logos, dvd menus etc. Do you guys seen fast burn in on these Pioneer sets? By fast I mean if I were to leave the same screen on for 8hrs would these premier plasma sets burn in?

I know the lesser ones would, and I know about the pixel randomizing or moving thing, but I've heard more than a few stories from people that have had CNN, TNT icons burn in since those guys display there logos in motion video.

Any help would be great. I do love the true blacks of Plasma's, but not sure on the 720 res or the burn in factor.
post #5054 of 5599
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Originally Posted by SoulFish View Post

Hi guys I'm new to this forum and I've got it down to two TVs.

(Pioneer Elite 50" Plasma & Sony KDLXBR3 46" LCD)

My question is this, since Plasma's are know for burning in program logos, dvd menus etc. Do you guys seen fast burn in on these Pioneer sets? By fast I mean if I were to leave the same screen on for 8hrs would these premier plasma sets burn in?

I know the lesser ones would, and I know about the pixel randomizing or moving thing, but I've heard more than a few stories from people that have had CNN, TNT icons burn in since those guys display there logos in motion video.

Any help would be great. I do love the true blacks of Plasma's, but not sure on the 720 res or the burn in factor.

Either you are playing fast and loose with terms, or you need to update yourself on the technology. Burn in is not a big issue with quality plasmas, although image retention (which is a temporary burn in) can be an issue. There are those that recommend special "break in" DVD's, but I think as long as you show primarily full-screen variable images the first 1-200 hours, you'll be fine. As far as plasma vs LCD, when I did my shopping last spring, I chose plasma because the detail was much better in high motion images (as in sports, action movies, etc.) than LCD. And I can guarantee you won't go wrong with the Pioneer.
post #5055 of 5599
Long time lurker, first time poster.

I've had my 5060 for almost a year now and really do enjoy it. I have run into a small issue and was hoping to get your suggestions on how to eleviate this issue. When I watch Lost on HD, and the LOST logo appears and zooms in, the black areas get a sort of pixelization effect and is quite annoying, is there anything I can do to fix it? I have a Motorola Digital Box that my provider gave me. Let me know if you need any additional information.
post #5056 of 5599
thanks for the info kidziti, Yeah right now I know much more about the LCDs than Plasmas. I've seen what looks like "burn in" in the stores. I looked at the 1080p Pioneer in BB, it seemed to have burn in from a Blue Ray Disc menu. So I was just hinking to myself that if this top end 10k plasma can get it any one under it like the Elite 50" may be suseptible. But I had no idea about image retention. So image retention is not perminant?

I also did not know that the first 200hrs should be full screen images without bars, logos, etc. So I guess the break in DVDs are just motion video on a loop that just play continuosly. What does this break in period accomplish? I assume it helps image retention.
post #5057 of 5599
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Originally Posted by SoulFish View Post

thanks for the info kidziti, Yeah right now I know much more about the LCDs than Plasmas. I've seen what looks like "burn in" in the stores. I looked at the 1080p Pioneer in BB, it seemed to have burn in from a Blue Ray Disc menu. So I was just hinking to myself that if this top end 10k plasma can get it any one under it like the Elite 50" may be suseptible. But I had no idea about image retention. So image retention is not perminant?

I also did not know that the first 200hrs should be full screen images without bars, logos, etc. So I guess the break in DVDs are just motion video on a loop that just play continuosly. What does this break in period accomplish? I assume it helps image retention.

Ever have a pill go down roughly and it feels like it's stuck in your throat, even though you swallowed it? The feeling stays with you a while but after a few meals it disappears. That's image retention. It tends to wash away after the screen is used for a while with varying material. From what I understand, burn in (permanent "scarring" of the screen by an image ghost that will never go away) is pretty rare. Even the horror stories I've heard of gamers leaving a static image on the screen overnight end up with happy endings as the retained image eventually fades away with subsequent use.

Next time you go to Best Buy, watch a moving image on an LCD next to a plasma (any brand will work). If you don't see a difference of better retained detail of the image in motion in plasma over LCD, then get the LCD. I can see the difference, that's why I went with plasma. But that was last spring, so I don't know how much LCD technology has caught up to plasma with respect to motion artifacts. Also, look at each screen from a severe angle - that was also an issue for me, since plasma viewing angles assure no bad seat in the house. But again, I understand LCD has made great strides in this area, and my impressions of several months ago may no longer be valid. At the time, I was looking at Pio and Panny plasmas and the Sharp Aquous LCD.
post #5058 of 5599
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Originally Posted by SoulFish View Post

thanks for the info kidziti, Yeah right now I know much more about the LCDs than Plasmas. I've seen what looks like "burn in" in the stores. I looked at the 1080p Pioneer in BB, it seemed to have burn in from a Blue Ray Disc menu. So I was just hinking to myself that if this top end 10k plasma can get it any one under it like the Elite 50" may be suseptible. But I had no idea about image retention. So image retention is not perminant?

I also did not know that the first 200hrs should be full screen images without bars, logos, etc. So I guess the break in DVDs are just motion video on a loop that just play continuosly. What does this break in period accomplish? I assume it helps image retention.

you have to take it in context. those loops are playing all day long every day of the week at those stores. burn in is going to happen. i've got LCD's at work that display a static image for a better part of the day. guess what? i can see the burn on those screens.

but like was said earlier, image retention is a far far more common occurence than burn in. and unlike burn in, you can be rid of it.
post #5059 of 5599
Question: What is the difference between the Pio 5070 and Elite 1140?

Is it just the audio?
post #5060 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMiller View Post

Question: What is the difference between the Pio 5070 and Elite 1140?

Is it just the audio?

the 1140 and the 5070 share the same glass, but the 1140 has a better scaler/deinterlacer (the part of the tv that takes the signal and up/down converts and puts it on the screen) as well as many more user adjustable functions and viewing modes. audio remains the same between the two i believe.
post #5061 of 5599
Can 5071's HDMI input accept DVI-D signal from computer's video card? (ATI AIW 9700 Pro)

Basically, by using DVI-to-HDMI cable.
post #5062 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by gevorg View Post

Can 5071's HDMI input accept DVI-D signal from computer's video card? (ATI AIW 9700 Pro)

Basically, by using DVI-to-HDMI cable.

HDMI is backwards compatible with DVI so, yes.
post #5063 of 5599
have any of you guys had any cable card problems? I've got a 4360 and it's been working great. I recently put a cable card in it and had some problems with initialization, but got it working. after a week or two the card stopped working. I got a new card and couldn't get it to work. So the question remains: is it the card or the media receiver that's the problem. has anyone had any similar problems?
post #5064 of 5599
Hello!
I am a manager of a retail store that sells Pio Elite Plasmas. I have purchased an 1130, but have a very odd question. Has anyone found the 1130, or 930 that supports 1080p/24 AND 1080p/30? Both of our floor models (1130 & 930) DO support both!!! Is this just a fluke, or has anyone heard of this happening?? I really can't explain or find ANY information about this odd occurance.

Instead of the display reading:
HDMI
1080i (or whatever resolution)

it simply says

HDMI
(no resolution displayed?)

You can see the TV sync to the 1080p/24 signal, and the signal generator PLAINLY says 1080p/24 on the front.

Other TVs that we sell that DON'T support 1080p simply don't display anything on the screen with the same generator (leads me to believe the generator doesn't automatically drop resolution down to support the TV)

I have also hooked up the Panasonic Blu-Ray Player, and the new Sony BDP-S1. Both seem to work at 1080p?!?

AAAAAHHH it's driving me nuts, please help!!!

Josh
post #5065 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcoultas View Post

Hello!
I am a manager of a retail store that sells Pio Elite Plasmas. I have purchased an 1130, but have a very odd question. Has anyone found the 1130, or 930 that supports 1080p/24 AND 1080p/30? Both of our floor models (1130 & 930) DO support both!!! Is this just a fluke, or has anyone heard of this happening?? I really can't explain or find ANY information about this odd occurance.

Instead of the display reading:
HDMI
1080i (or whatever resolution)

it simply says

HDMI
(no resolution displayed?)

You can see the TV sync to the 1080p/24 signal, and the signal generator PLAINLY says 1080p/24 on the front.

Other TVs that we sell that DON'T support 1080p simply don't display anything on the screen with the same generator (leads me to believe the generator doesn't automatically drop resolution down to support the TV)

I have also hooked up the Panasonic Blu-Ray Player, and the new Sony BDP-S1. Both seem to work at 1080p?!?

AAAAAHHH it's driving me nuts, please help!!!

Josh

It will accept a 1080p/24 input but it won't display it in 1080p. It will convert it to its native resolution. Not all TV's will accept a 1080p input, but more and more are accepting the input even though they can't display it. It makes for more compatibility with the future of HD DVD players and gaming systems.
post #5066 of 5599
i do understand how upscaling, and downscaling work. my biggest question is does anyone else's 1130 accept the 1080p signal as mine does? i have specifically read that the 1140, and the 5070 DO, but i have NEVER read or heard of the 1130 doing this.
post #5067 of 5599
See post #232 waaaay back in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0p#post6238685), which claims that the 6G Pios could receive 1080p24. I asked about this a few months ago and NemoZorro replied that he thought the 6G panels could not receive 1080p24. Sounds like your tests prove that it can.

This is great news if its true, as I would love to send a direct 24p signal to mine, using the 72hz mode and have it do nothing but downscale the signal from 1080 to 768, without introducing any deinterlacing artifacts.
post #5068 of 5599
Need help to setup Home Media Gallery for Elite PRO-1140HD.
Computer runs Windows XP Home Edition SP2
Windows Media Player Version 11.0.5721.5145 installed
TV has the latest firmware.
After Windows Media Player was installed, the TV was able to show things on the computer.
Then when I tried to use it again, the TV was never able to list the computer as a server.
Other diagnostics:
- TV is able to obtain an IP address from the router
- Computer can ping the IP address assigned to the TV
- Have Windows Media Player running when trying to establish connection
Therefore, something is preventing the TV from seeing the computer.
Also, the Windows Media Player Media Sharing window no longer shows the TV after I tried to clean things up.
Does anyone encounter similar problems before? What are the steps to resolve them?
post #5069 of 5599
I just solved the problem somehow.
This time I started Windows Media Player on the computer first,
then I turned on the TV and the TV was able to see the computer.
post #5070 of 5599
*HELP*

I have the PDP5060 and a Motorola HDTV Digital Receiver. The issue I have is when I watch a show, example: Lost, during the opening credits when the lost logo moves towards the viewer (with the eerie sound), some of the black portions of the screen turn into white or grey boxes, can anyone help me fix this?

Thank you!
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