Official Pioneer 4360/5060/Elite Experiences, Set-up, Questions & Pictures Thread!!! - Page 172

I actually did it - we have one of the Pioneer BD players now, and it indeed works. I wasn't aware the the LG had the 1080p/24 - that might be a really good solution. But there is definitely a difference between the 24 and 60 on our panel, at least to my eyes.

Awesome! Thanks.

What is the best resolution to run HD DVDs and Blu Rays at? I've got the 4360, a PS3, and the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive. I honestly have a hard time telling the difference since I can't run 1080i/720p next to each other, although if I had to pick one I'd say 1080i looks slightly clearer.

This isn't one of those TVs that scales 1080i to 540p is it? In which case 720p would be clearly superior.

I don't know what Blu-ray player you have, but if you have one that is capable of outputing 1080p/24 (like the Sony or Pioneer), then use that setting as your panel should accept that input (even though it wasn't speced to do that). You won't see the actual 1080p resolution, but it will help to reduce judder and give a smoother picture.

Otherwise, let your eyes be the best judge. I remember early on in the Toshiba 1st gen thread that folks recommended always using 1080i for the HD-DVD player since that was closest to what was on the disc. I guess that is a good rule of thumb; try to match as closely to the disc resolution as possible, and let the panel do the rest. But again, experiment and pick what looks best.

I don't believe the panel does the 540 thing that you mention.

i wanna buy pioneer 5070. It's better than sony 46w2000? who tried 1080p@24 on pio? thx cya!

I've seen your post in 3 Pioneer forums and I assume you posted in Sony as well. Please don't cross post.

Hey guys-

It's been one year and 3 months since I bought my 1130. I had a question about settings and using the Digital Video Essentials DVD.

At the time I bought the set, I was using D_Nice's settings for a bit, then I used the older Video Essentials disc. Eventually, I set the TV as follows, pretty much as D-Nice had. I used the "Pure" selection. The DVD player is an older Pioneer DVD/LD player, non-upconvert, no HDMI:
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -4 to -3
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Energy Save: Save2

I just got the Digital Video Essentials and I thought the plasma has had plenty of time breaking in. After I messed a bit with trying to use that disc, the following settings were what I used:
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -6
Color: +14
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Energy Save: Save2

What I found difficult about this disc was trying to understand Contrast settings. It asks you to set the contrast till the white box blooms. It didn't appear to work. So I left it at 30. Same with Sharpness, if I followed the directions using the test pattern, then the image looked blurry. Maybe it's supposed to look like that.

The advanced color section was even more confusing, so I left that alone.

The black level setting made sense and I was able to lower brightness so the one black box matched the background black. I guess according to the disc, the brightness I had it at was too high.

Watching a few DVD's, it did look good. Blacks were black, if not too dark(?). There a certain uncertainty when you look at a conventional TV and see it appears to be brighter, meaning the backgrounds look more lit.

All HD OTA TV show images look great! I have observed that programing OTA TV shows that are syndicated on digital channels, like repeats of CSI Miami, Star Trek tend to look dark. If I push the contrast, then it looks "better". I don't think it's correct. Just experimenting.

I do plan to upgrade to a new DVD player; probably up-convert with HDMI. HD DVD or Blu-Ray still holding out for the format war to end, but it looks gloomy!

What's the opinion of my settings, DIgital Video Essentials, etc? Professional Calibration seems unlikely, but not out of the question. Thanks!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the blooming only appears for older analog TV's (voltage?) I don't think it applies to plasmas and digital displays. I'm personally holding out for a Blu-ray calibration disc. I'm aware of the test patterns Sony hides in some of their Blu-ray movies but I want more! For the HD-DVD camp, it appears the HD-DVD version of DVE keeps getting postponed. Not good news at all for HD-DVD...

EWL5-

Thanks. Yes, When the disc was explaining the contrast section, it did say it was referring to CRT displays, not plasma.

So how does one correctly set contrast?

This disc is not very friendly in terms of how they design and present the material. I suppose a degree of knowledge in the material helps.

Does anyone have problems with low level noise? I've noticed a slight amount of noise/grain on bright colored screens with a large patch of solid color like the Xbox 360 dashboard menu. It's actually always there, but just harder to see with other images. It even shows up with the PS3 via HDMI, so I'm assuming it's not the connection.

Might I have some electrical interference with the cable that runs from the media box to the panel? That's about all I can think of. Or are all of the 4360/5360 like this and the noise is just so insignificant that nobody complains?

Guys,

First, I am certainly not a techie so this is puzzling me. I used the forum search but didn't see anything pop up like this. I bought a 5060 a year ago from local dealer and it's been great but have a recurring problem that neither the dealer or cable company can figure out.

We're using a cable card with the set and when watching an HD picture, I am losing the video portion of the broadcast but maintaining audio. No rhyme or cycle to this, the picture just goes blank. Can happen right after I turn the set on or wait all evening to just before the end of a show before it loses the video. I switch to any non-digital channel I get both audio and video signals and then if I jump back to the original HD channel; the video signal returns. It's been happening all along since I got the set last spring but I am just ready to spit nails now.

It's never happened with DVD's or other inputs, just on HD signal. Cable company has replaced the cable card twice but it still occurs. They are saying its a set issue; local dealer is saying its a cable issue and I am stuck in the middle being frustrated with March Madness approaching. My Texas Aggies are finally playing some decent basketball after so many seasons being outscored so I don't want miss watching a minute on HD.

Ideas or Suggestions???

A follow-up on my Contrast settings and Digital Video Essentials questions. I read that another option to try is the THX Optimizer on Pixar film DVD's and Star Wars DVD's. I used this to check out the contrast(white level) settings. I found if I did it right, the setting is 49! Seems high. Color settings agree with DVE as does Brightness settings of -6. Any other insights?

Aggie76, I am strictly OTA in my set up, so I can't help, but if worse comes to worse, could you do it the old fashioned way and use an antenna for March Madness?

49 seems too high to safely operate the plasma. Even if it were correct, image retention may become a problem (if not burn-in!) Outside of ISF calibration, my best advice is to set it as high as you feel comfortable with.

Thanks EWL5, I totally agree, I left my Contrast set to 30.

I've always got the "normal" channels on the cable. I just hate not having the terrific HD picture on this set.

Plus, being out in rural Illinois we have some issues at times with antenna's pulling in signals some days.

I got rid of my DirecTV connection about a year ago and went to cable as I finally was tired of all the special effort to get the signals to all the different tv's we had in the house with kids, spouse & me all wanting to watch different shows. Progress really has spoiled us. Makes me laugh thinking back to the 50's and 60's with my family's old black and white "tube" console set that we all gathered around to watch.

Well, after several more calls this a.m. with both my local dealer and the Pioneer tech support team I got an answer. Seems that the system needs a upgrade of the software microboards and there's a support facility about 100 miles away that can do it.

Once I got a hold of someone who knew their stuff it was a short discussion, he checked the software version and in two minutes had a answer for me. They will let me know when the new microboards are at their site and then I will take a drive to visit with the control box so they can do a 15-minute job to update it.

HI all, new to these forums, but thinking (after all the reccos) of getting a Pioneer 6070HD from Invision Displays. However, I have a strange installation issue...I am trying to center the TV over a pre-exisitng window. I was wondering if anyone could recc. a good installer in the Bay Area to help with this, particularly, if you have used them before. I can't go B&M becuase this is a special sit.

Thanks!!!
cant wait to get this thing up and running.

Does anyone use the VGA port on 4360/930? What resolution and refresh rate works the best for you? I seem to get different artifacts at different settings. at 1024x768@70Hz and 1280x768@70Hz I get minor tearing, but some stuttering in some fast moving scenes. At 1280X768@60Hz I get much more tearing, but no stuttering. Just wondering what other people use, especially for DVD and HD quality outputs.

Is anyone using a ps3 to view blueray movies via the hmdi input? I was wondering will it work and what resolution will display? I have a 5060 and was wondering would a ps3 be worth buying for blue ray movies using my set.

The above confirmation really excites me here also. I have a Pro930 panel and I would like to take advantage of the support for the 1080p/24 signal/input capability.

However, I would like to clarify, does this also mean that if I hook up a XA2 or PS3 (with 1080p/24 output capability) to my Pro930 with the 1080p/24 input capability (assuming that both outputting players get the 1080p/24 software upgrade) I will be able to have the same advantage as having my Pro930 hooked up to a BDP-HD1? Or is this benefit exclusive to matching pioneer products only?

Could someone please help me understand this better?

Thanks

If the 1130 can receive 1080p24 via HDMI from the Pio BD player, as NemoZorro has confirmed, then it should be able to receive 1080p24 from any player that can output that resolution/frame rate, regardless of manufacturer.

Thanks Jediphish for clarifying this to me.

I have it a lot, too, on my new 1140. It bugs the living heck out of me sometimes. The Hi-Def and the upconverted SD on the 1080i/720p channels doesn't usually have it. It's especially evident on the 480i channels, and it doesn't matter if it's low or higher quality material being shown. My SD E* satellite signals, which are not so great to begin with, are just plain horrible-looking a lot of the time. But even my digital 480i OTA channels aren't very good. Some of my analog ones even look noticably better - they don't show any noise and are really clean. I usually have to crank up the mpeg noise control, sometimes to "high", and turn the sharpness down a lot. I also found that if you take it out of "Standard" screen mode and put it on "Game", (or even "Movie" as a 2nd choice), it cuts it down quite a bit. "Standard" is too bright and exposes it more.

I've never seen or had a plasma with such a bad problem with noise. I sometimes wonder if maybe something's wrong with it. I'm constantly debating whether I should bring it back when I'm watching SD, which is at least 85% of the time. It can be pretty tough to sit through.

The only thing I do know is that, in a few reviews I've read on Pio's, they mention that they tend to be very revealing of flaws and artifacts in low-quality sources. But even still, it does seem to be pretty excessive.

I had the Panny 50PX600U before this, and it didn't have anywhere near this extreme of a noise problem with 480i SD.

I've got my set plugged into a halfway decent line conditioner/supressor, so I don't think it's due to electrical interference. It doesn't show up at all with any of my other gear. My stereo has no background noise whatsoever, and is clean and as quiet as a mouse.

Does it look like dancing pixels.. that noise?

I have a PDP5060. I just bought the PS3. Using the Hdmi output i am receiving 1080i on my TV while veiwing movies. At least thats what my TV display says. So I wonder does that mean it converts the 1080p to 1080i?

Not sure exactly what you mean, but no, not really. But I think the noise that I can describe the easiest is the stuff dancing all around the lettering, and I think that's mainly "mosquito" noise. It might also be what's affecting the other parts, but it doesn't stand out like it does in the solid space around letters. On faces and bodies there's more detail which jumbles it all more. There is some noticable "grain" on HD primetime shows which are film based, but it's not really that bad or distracting. Turning the sharpness down and the HD NR on helps. But taped shows, like the late-night talk shows, don't show any kind of noise or grain at all.

It's probably just that the Pio is more sensitive to the flaws. Like I mentioned, if I turn the mpeg NR on high and the sharpness way, way down it's not really noticable. But then, neither is much of the normal detail either. I'm gonna try different connections, but I can't get to it for a couple of days.

I mean it looks as if the pixels are kinda, jumping around a bit. Kinda noticeable in solid colors. But I think your talking about something different all together. There is definte noise on the Pioneers. It bothered me at first, but then I began to notice noise on all displays. Maybe my mind just kind of tricked itself into looking for any type of noise.

Anyway I have all but forgotten the noise. Especially with good feeds like Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. I don't even have any noise reduction on. I think this is all eye to eye correct? Some people are sensitive to it vs. not? My eyes adapted pretty quick it seems.

Your 5060 does not have any 1080p inputs so your PS3 is outputting 1080i to the TV. I believe the newer 5070 accepts 1080p.

I would also think this is true. What I don't know is if the non-Elites can accept the 1080p/24 input; I can only verify that the 1130 (and I assume the 930) can.

I cannot confirm if the 5060 accepts a 1080p/24 input or not, but I know that the Elite 1130 does because I'm doing it now. If the PS3 is capable of outputing the 1080p/24 over HDMI, is configured to do so, and the 5060 displays 1080i, then that might be confirmation that the 5060 can't input that signal.