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post #5191 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Schteevie View Post

4360 PDP.

Quick question related to input config:

I am hoping to be able to use HDMI on both inputs 1 and 3, but also use component on input 3...

Can that be done?
Or is it a case of one or the other regarding the HDMI/component inputs on 1 and 3?

If it can be done, can you switch between them with out too much complication?

I have a harmony 550 that is doing fine switching my inputs as I change activities so far, but I haven't tried adding the HDMI device to input 3 (which is currently using component) yet...

(and before any one suggests it, no my HK AVR 145 audio receiver does not have HDMI, so I am by passing it and going straight the the PDP with video inputs.)
Plus - I like the idea of having different picture settings for the DVD player, PVR, etc, on the Pioneer inputs)
Also - I don't want to use the componet in on the front panel (input 4) because that is ugly for a permanent set-up, but it is fine for a temp hook up when friends bring over the PS3


thanks

If it's anything like my PRO1130HD, then the answer is no. Input 3 has a shared HDMI/component input. You have to choose one or the other and that is done in the TV setup menu. As far as I know, you cannot program what you want input 3 to be using the Harmony (I own the 880 and can't do it). As you feared, I ended up having to connect my component input to the front of the media receiver (input 4). My devices are in a TV stand with doors so it's not as ugly and it allowed me to have different calibration settings for each input.

I've since purchased a receiver with full HDMI capabilities so this is no longer an issue. However, I did lose the ability to have different settings "in memory" with the TV since now it's just one HDMI cable to the media receiver. I've explored getting the SR+ link cable but it is very difficult to find outside of ordering direct from Pioneer.
post #5192 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

If it's anything like my PRO1130HD, then the answer is no. Input 3 has a shared HDMI/component input. You have to choose one or the other and that is done in the TV setup menu. As far as I know, you cannot program what you want input 3 to be using the Harmony (I own the 880 and can't do it). As you feared, I ended up having to connect my component input to the front of the media receiver (input 4). My devices are in a TV stand with doors so it's not as ugly and it allowed me to have different calibration settings for each input.

I've since purchased a receiver with full HDMI capabilities so this is no longer an issue. However, I did lose the ability to have different settings "in memory" with the TV since now it's just one HDMI cable to the media receiver. I've explored getting the SR+ link cable but it is very difficult to find outside of ordering direct from Pioneer.

I have the 4360 and can concur. You'd have to go through Option menu and enable or disable HDMI to switch between component and HDMI. You'd have to use a menu browsing macro and Harmony's don't lend themself to this type of macro very easily. Would be nice if there were a code that just switched the two. I ended buying an HDMI switch since I was gonna need more than two HDMI inputs anyway... My receiver is way to old for HDMI but still does everything else I want fine.
post #5193 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

If it's anything like my PRO1130HD, then the answer is no.

damn...
thanks guys...

I am an editor, so it is a computer that I want to hook up for previewing edits, and it is about 30 feet away from the PDP... so I assume I need to use a digital connection? You can't send component that far can you - and it would be expensive cabling if you could, right?
- what I am thinking of doing is seending a DVI cable all the way, and then converting it to VGA with an adapter at the MR end and hooking up to the front VGA port when needed, and then disconnecting the cable when I am not using it.
Does that sound like a viable plan?
Is it an option to send DVI most of the way and then convert it to component near the MR?

thanks.
post #5194 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Schteevie View Post

damn...
thanks guys...

I am an editor, so it is a computer that I want to hook up for previewing edits, and it is about 30 feet away from the PDP... so I assume I need to use a digital connection? You can't send component that far can you - and it would be expensive cabling if you could, right?
- what I am thinking of doing is seending a DVI cable all the way, and then converting it to VGA with an adapter at the MR end and hooking up to the front VGA port when needed, and then disconnecting the cable when I am not using it.
Does that sound like a viable plan?
Is it an option to send DVI most of the way and then convert it to component near the MR?

thanks.

You can run 30ft component.
A 30ft component cord can cost all kinds of amounts, the price ranges on those are ridiculous for cords that do the same thing, Online you can find them for a lot less than in many stores (the same quality cable). You can also cut down on the component cost if you do a little do it yourself. Go to you local Home Depot equivalent, by some RG-6 and some F-type to RCA connectors, something to label the cords and that will be of higher quality as most component cables...

Does your computer have VGA out? Why not just by a 30ft VGA instead of trying to convert the DVI to VGA? VGA cords are very inexpensive.

DVI-D to VGA would be really expensive. If you have DVI-I or DVI-A it wouldn't be as expensive.
post #5195 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

I've explored getting the SR+ link cable but it is very difficult to find outside of ordering direct from Pioneer.


You can get an SR+ cable for about $5.

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Go to ebay and type this in the search box:

"3.5mm Mini AV male/male plug camcorder A/V patch cable"

That's the one you need.

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This suggestion was made to me by a poster here named Nuzy. I followed his advice and got one when I purchased my Elite PDP and AV receiver.
post #5196 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

You can get an SR+ cable for about $5.

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Go to ebay and type this in the search box:

"3.5mm Mini AV male/male plug camcorder A/V patch cable"

That's the one you need.

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This suggestion was made to me by a poster here named Nuzy. I followed his advice and got one when I purchased my Elite PDP and AV receiver.

That's exactly what I need. Thank you!

No more checking the receiver volume on the receiver as it should display on the TV screen now. My understanding is that all/most HDMI connections should be from the source device to the TV now (except players that require decoding in the receiver, like PCM)?
post #5197 of 5599
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Originally Posted by newlinux View Post

Does your computer have VGA out? Why not just by a 30ft VGA instead of trying to convert the DVI to VGA? VGA cords are very inexpensive.

I didn't want to run 30 feet of any kind of analogue. do yo uthink VGA would look any good at 30 feet away? I have seeen it degrade in 12 foot runs.
(anyway, my machine doesn't have VGA out)
I figured keep it clean and digital (DVI) for the majority of the run, and then convert it to analogue with an adapter (VGA or Component) at the MR end...
post #5198 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Schteevie View Post

I didn't want to run 30 feet of any kind of analogue. do yo uthink VGA would look any good at 30 feet away? I have seeen it degrade in 12 foot runs.
(anyway, my machine doesn't have VGA out)
I figured keep it clean and digital (DVI) for the majority of the run, and then convert it to analogue with an adapter (VGA or Component) at the MR end...

Digital can degrade too (but how it looks when there is degradation will be different), in both cases it depends on the quality of the cable. The original spec for DVI only specified 15'. I've run 15' feet component with no degredation, but nothing further, so I can't speak from first hand experience.

Do you have DVI-I or DVI-D (or possibly even DVI-A) coming from your computer? The reason I ask is that that if it is DVI-D then you'll need more than a simple cable to convert it to VGA or component (you'll need a converter and these are pricy). If you have DVI-I and you use a DVI-> component cable the whole signal is analog anyway.
DVI-I (analog and digital, but put a VGA or component cable on it and it is adapting the analog signal).
DVI-D (digital only)
post #5199 of 5599
I bought an 1130 last year and it came with a Transcend compact flash adapter and a 5-in-1 adapter. Is it me or did Pioneer supply this with their Elite plasmas?
post #5200 of 5599
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Originally Posted by a_ok2me View Post

I bought an 1130 last year and it came with a Transcend compact flash adapter and a 5-in-1 adapter. Is it me or did Pioneer supply this with their Elite plasmas?


The card adapters come with the 1130 from Pioneer.
post #5201 of 5599
The Elite FHD1 does not come with speakers?
post #5202 of 5599
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Originally Posted by BBS G35 View Post

The Elite FHD1 does not come with speakers?

It is a monitor only. No built in tuners either!
post #5203 of 5599
Hi-

I am experiencing an issue with my 1130. I searched the thread & found a couple of other folks with a similar issue but did not see a formal resolution to the problem.

At times, I am getting a split-second dropout of the video. The screen just goes to black for a very brief moment. Sometimes, it repeats itself as fast as 10 seconds apart. It only seems to happen if the set has been on for a couple of hours so I am wondering if it may be heat-related. Evidence that it may not be heat-related though was posted by rudyr in this thread that he was having the same issue & his MR was all by itself on a shelf.

Also, not sure if this is related or not, but my set is also shutting itself off sometimes. I researched this on the thread also. My TV guide is inactive (zip set to all zeroes) & the TV auto shut-down option is not active. I am not getting a flickering light when the display shuts off, it just turns itself off.

Both issues are occurring while watching TV via cable.
post #5204 of 5599
I need to get a longer media cable - that two-headed serpent that runs between the Elite 1130HD media box and the monitor. Is there a way to do this without spending hundreds of dollars, or without introducing signal issues/degradation? I'd also consider coupling an extension to the existing cable especially if the latter would not be an issue.
post #5205 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Saluki View Post

Hi-

I am experiencing an issue with my 1130. I searched the thread & found a couple of other folks with a similar issue but did not see a formal resolution to the problem.

At times, I am getting a split-second dropout of the video. The screen just goes to black for a very brief moment. Sometimes, it repeats itself as fast as 10 seconds apart. It only seems to happen if the set has been on for a couple of hours so I am wondering if it may be heat-related. Evidence that it may not be heat-related though was posted by rudyr in this thread that he was having the same issue & his MR was all by itself on a shelf.

Also, not sure if this is related or not, but my set is also shutting itself off sometimes. I researched this on the thread also. My TV guide is inactive (zip set to all zeroes) & the TV auto shut-down option is not active. I am not getting a flickering light when the display shuts off, it just turns itself off.

Both issues are occurring while watching TV via cable.

You will need to tell us your full setup (ie., receiver, cable box, line conditioner, etc.) before we can correctly diagnose your problem. The dropouts sound like handshake issues with your receiver/cable box. The shutoffs may be fluctuating voltage? Again, without your full setup, I'm grasping at straws.
post #5206 of 5599
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Originally Posted by kidziti View Post

I need to get a longer media cable - that two-headed serpent that runs between the Elite 1130HD media box and the monitor. Is there a way to do this without spending hundreds of dollars, or without introducing signal issues/degradation? I'd also consider coupling an extension to the existing cable especially if the latter would not be an issue.

I asked this question on here a few months ago. A few people chimed in. One person said to use a straighthrough DFP20 for the control cable and a DVI-D for the other one. I never pursued this, because it was still more than I was willing to pay for a stinkin' cable.

Let us know what you find out, because if you find a cheap enough option, I may consider doing it too.
post #5207 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

You will need to tell us your full setup (ie., receiver, cable box, line conditioner, etc.) before we can correctly diagnose your problem. The dropouts sound like handshake issues with your receiver/cable box. The shutoffs may be fluctuating voltage? Again, without your full setup, I'm grasping at straws.

I have a Moxi DVR via Charter cable, older Yamaha receiver, Polk SurroundBar speaker & Polk sub. I do not have a line conditioner.
post #5208 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Saluki View Post

I have a Moxi DVR via Charter cable, older Yamaha receiver, Polk SurroundBar speaker & Polk sub. I do not have a line conditioner.

Older Yamaha receiver meaning w/HDMI or w/o? A model number would help. If you are going straight from the cable box to the TV, then it won't matter.
post #5209 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Older Yamaha receiver meaning w/HDMI or w/o? A model number would help. If you are going straight from the cable box to the TV, then it won't matter.

I am not using HDMI. The receiver is a Pioneer VSX-D509S (not Yamaha as I indicated earlier). I am technically challenged but know that I have a straight-forward setup using component cables via the Moxi DVR.

Thanks for the assistance.
post #5210 of 5599
Hi Guys,

I purchased an elite pro-1140 a little over a year ago without any problems. However, I was recently watching ESPN HD on DirecTV and noticed some (5 or 6) pixels getting stuck at the center of the screen which appeared red for a second and then would disappear.

Questions: Can this issue become a problem I should be concerned about? Should I begin to worry and contact pioneer service support to address this issue before the warranty expires?

Please advise.

Thanks,
George
post #5211 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Saluki View Post

I am not using HDMI. The receiver is a Pioneer VSX-D509S (not Yamaha as I indicated earlier). I am technically challenged but know that I have a straight-forward setup using component cables via the Moxi DVR.

Thanks for the assistance.

Do you have a DVD player and does your 1130 exhibit the same behavior while watching DVD's? Which input do you have your component connected to? Input 1, 3 or Input 4?

If you have an outdoor antenna, try connecting it to one of your RF connections since your TV has a built-in HD tuner (use only the ANT/CABLE A IN). If you still have problems, then it's the TV. If not, then it's your Moxi DVR.

Regardless of device, make sure everything is well ventilated. It also wouldn't hurt to power off your Moxi, wait 10 sec, then turn it back on to "reboot" and let it update its own firmware if need be.
post #5212 of 5599
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Originally Posted by GRH View Post

Hi Guys,

I purchased an elite pro-1140 a little over a year ago without any problems. However, I was recently watching ESPN HD on DirecTV and noticed some (5 or 6) pixels getting stuck at the center of the screen which appeared red for a second and then would disappear.

Questions: Can this issue become a problem I should be concerned about? Should I begin to worry and contact pioneer service support to address this issue before the warranty expires?

Please advise.

Thanks,
George

It may have been an issue with the broadcast... it is weird that it would apear and then go away.
Did it occur over several shots or just one shot? (what I am getting at is that it may have been an issue with one of the cameras (which would explain why it apeared and then disapeared.)

Everything I have read about plasma dead/stuck pixels, is that if you have them, they are there from the start and never get better. LCDs are a little different.

I have a 4360 that is getting close to a year old and it has been flawless.
Anytime I see what looks like it may be an issue witht he display, I flip chanels (or if watching a DVD, check another) to confirm that the issue is the media and not the hardware.
So far, everytime I have seen something weird, I have been able to trouble shoot and confirm the display was not the issue.

My ONLY complaint about the xx60 series is that the fan in the MR stays on 24/7.
I worry that it is asking for a shortened life by running the fan all the time.
Does anyone know the part number for that fan? I am considering getting a spare now, so that if (when) it fails in a couple years, I'll have the part ready to replace)
post #5213 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Schteevie View Post

It may have been an issue with the broadcast... it is weird that it would apear and then go away.
Did it occur over several shots or just one shot? (what I am getting at is that it may have been an issue with one of the cameras (which would explain why it apeared and then disapeared.)

Everything I have read about plasma dead/stuck pixels, is that if you have them, they are there from the start and never get better. LCDs are a little different.

I have a 4360 that is getting close to a year old and it has been flawless.
Anytime I see what looks like it may be an issue witht he display, I flip chanels (or if watching a DVD, check another) to confirm that the issue is the media and not the hardware.
So far, everytime I have seen something weird, I have been able to trouble shoot and confirm the display was not the issue.

My ONLY complaint about the xx60 series is that the fan in the MR stays on 24/7.
I worry that it is asking for a shortened life by running the fan all the time.
Does anyone know the part number for that fan? I am considering getting a spare now, so that if (when) it fails in a couple years, I'll have the part ready to replace)

Schteevie,

Let me correct a typo and clarify. I have an elite 1130 not the 1140. The 1130 has been outstanding to date with the execption of the red pixel problem which seems to have gone away. The red pixel issue has not occured since then but as you can imagine I got nervious becuase of pixel issues I've heard other folks have experienced.

Thanks,
George
post #5214 of 5599
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Originally Posted by GRH View Post


Schteevie,

Let me correct a typo and clarify. I have an elite 1130 not the 1140. The 1130 has been outstanding to date with the execption of the red pixel problem which seems to have gone away. The red pixel issue has not occured since then but as you can imagine I got nervious becuase of pixel issues I've heard other folks have experienced.

Thanks,
George

the 1130 has a media receiver right? (as opposed to the newerr models that are integrated with all the inputs on the back of the display like other manufacturers)
If so, is your fan running 24/7?
post #5215 of 5599
I am clueless with regards to hooking up my components & need some PIP help. I have an 1130 with cable service via a Moxi DVR. I was using the ANT A input for an OTA antenna but want to pull the antenna & split the cable signal.

The incoming cable coax is split with one section going to the DVR. The other split needs to go into the ANT A input, right? What else do I need to do with regards to component cables & channel setup? I want to use Input 2 for the second cable signal.
post #5216 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Saluki View Post

I am clueless with regards to hooking up my components & need some PIP help. I have an 1130 with cable service via a Moxi DVR. I was using the ANT A input for an OTA antenna but want to pull the antenna & split the cable signal.

The incoming cable coax is split with one section going to the DVR. The other split needs to go into the ANT A input, right? What else do I need to do with regards to component cables & channel setup? I want to use Input 2 for the second cable signal.

With this setup, you would not get 100% of your service as some of your cable channels will not show up in the Ant A without the cable box to descramble the signal. Doesn't your Moxi have PIP built in? I think most HD DVR's are at least dual-tuner.
post #5217 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

With this setup, you would not get 100% of your service as some of your cable channels will not show up in the Ant A without the cable box to descramble the signal. Doesn't your Moxi have PIP built in? I think most HD DVR's are at least dual-tuner.

The Moxi is dual tuner. What do I do with the 2nd cable split to enable the PIP?

http://broadband.motorola.com/consum...User_Guide.pdf
post #5218 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Saluki View Post

The Moxi is dual tuner. What do I do with the 2nd cable split to enable the PIP?

http://broadband.motorola.com/consum...User_Guide.pdf

If your Moxi is dual-tuner, then you do not need to split the cable feed. Simply hitting the PIP button on your Moxi remote will bring up the other channel. The only thing you will miss is split screen (which will require splitting the cable lines). Split screen is not advisable on a plasma as you will have black bars on the top and bottom as it tries to keep the widescreen ratio for both channels (assuming both channels are HD).

Your simplest setup would be this:

1) Single coaxial cable from the wall to the Moxi DVR.
2) Component cable from the Moxi DVR to your 1130 media receiver.
3) When you want PIP, simply hit the PIP button on your Moxi remote. There should be channel buttons for the PIP screen on your remote as well.

If you absolutely must have split screen, then you have to do what you originally suggested with splitting the cable line but you will lose some cable channels in Ant A on the MR w/o the cable box.


I just checked your Moxi manual and apparently PIP is not supported in the DVR (poor use of dual-tuner). Do what you suggested and let us know if you run into any problems, other than not getting all your cable channels.

For what it's worth, your Moxi has a DVI connector in the back. You can purchase a HDMI/DVI cable which will be a slight improvement over your component connection. If you are fine with the picture as is, then don't worry about the $60-$80 investment in the cable.
post #5219 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

If your Moxi is dual-tuner, then you do not need to split the cable feed. Simply hitting the PIP button on your Moxi remote will bring up the other channel. The only thing you will miss is split screen (which will require splitting the cable lines). Split screen is not advisable on a plasma as you will have black bars on the top and bottom as it tries to keep the widescreen ratio for both channels (assuming both channels are HD).

Your simplest setup would be this:

1) Single coaxial cable from the wall to the Moxi DVR.
2) Component cable from the Moxi DVR to your 1130 media receiver.
3) When you want PIP, simply hit the PIP button on your Moxi remote. There should be channel buttons for the PIP screen on your remote as well.

If you absolutely must have split screen, then you have to do what you originally suggested with splitting the cable line but you will lose some cable channels in Ant A on the MR w/o the cable box.

The Moxi remote does not have a PIP option built-in unfortunately.

Last night I tried putting the split cable into ANT A in the Pio Media Box. I assumed that I need to do a channel setup at that point. But when I go the the channel setup option in the home menu it is grayed out. I pressed the ANT function on the remote & then ran the channel setup but it's not working.

My TV was set up for PIP at the time of the original install but I undid it to gain the OTA functions. And, like an idiot, I did not make note of the original setup.
post #5220 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Saluki View Post

The Moxi remote does not have a PIP option built-in unfortunately.

Last night I tried putting the split cable into ANT A in the Pio Media Box. I assumed that I need to do a channel setup at that point. But when I go the the channel setup option in the home menu it is grayed out. I pressed the ANT function on the remote & then ran the channel setup but it's not working.

My TV was set up for PIP at the time of the original install but I undid it to gain the OTA functions. And, like an idiot, I did not make note of the original setup.

Read my correction in the last post.

Instead of selecting "AIR" in the channel setup menu, select "CABLE" instead. This should switch to the QAM tuner which will give you most of your cable channels.
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