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post #5281 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

newlinux, your setup sounds like how I would have arranged my home had I not abandoned HTPC. Unfortunately, I still do play the occasional PC game and that kind of kills the silent HTPC. Actually, one very important reason why I stopped HTPC that I failed to mention was playing around with the Powerstrip timings to match my TV. I never could get rid of overscan entirely. Have you tried feeding 72Hz to your Pioneer or is that not allowed?

I did play with the frequencies a bit, but I don't remember what I ended up with. Whatever it is, combined with my other settings, it looks great now, so I don't even worry about it (if it ain't broke - don't break it when it comes to this). Overscan is completely gone. I have to say, the Pio was pretty picky about various settings, and took way more time to get the picture right than any of my other TVs/Monitors. It took more time getting right than any all my other display devices combined. Might have been the hardware (video card) - might be just difficult to do in Linux.

Yeah, games add high powered cards, which in addition to generating a lot of heat, are a lot more expensive, and you can't get them integrated into the motherboard to save space (and cost). But they are getting more and more powerful cards that are fanless and/or have quiet fans.
post #5282 of 5599
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Originally Posted by newlinux View Post

I did play with the frequencies a bit, but I don't remember what I ended up with. Whatever it is, combined with my other settings, it looks great now, so I don't even worry about it (if it ain't broke - don't break it when it comes to this). Overscan is completely gone. I have to say, the Pio was pretty picky about various settings, and took way more time to get the picture right than any of my other TVs/Monitors. It took more time getting right than any all my other display devices combined. Might have been the hardware (video card) - might be just difficult to do in Linux.

Yeah, games add high powered cards, which in addition to generating a lot of heat, are a lot more expensive, and you can't get them integrated into the motherboard to save space (and cost). But they are getting more and more powerful cards that are fanless and/or have quiet fans.

One thing which will make HTPC a little harder in the future is the move away from HDMI to a new connection recently approved by VESA called DisplayPort. I highly doubt any TV manufacturer (CE in general) will just dump HDMI to support DisplayPort. Just when you think convergence was here, someone throws a wall b/w the PC and Home Theater world.
post #5283 of 5599
I have a bunch of images that I'd love to run through the Home Gallery (via the PCMCIA card that plugs into the media receiver of the 1130HD). I generally take large megapixel images and the max pixel size is "less than" 2400 x 1800 according to the manual. I figured no problem - I'll just reduce the dimensions of the images with Photoshop to fall below the stated parameters. Unfortunately, the Gallery thumbnails only show as yellow triangles containing exclamation marks. I've tried everything and have practically memorized the manual (pages 79-81). The pics are native JPG - they are the typical JPG 4:2:0 - and the proportions are constrained to maintain the original height x width ratio, but something in this simple single-step post-processing renders them unusable to the Home Media Gallery. To be fair, the manual does state that post-processed images may present problems, but all I'm doing is reducing the size of JPGs to fit below the 2400 x 1800 pixel dimensions required. Pics from the same camera that are taken at 1600 X 1200 work fine, so it's not the camera per se.

My question - can anyone hazard a guess (hopefully educated) as to just what in the post-processing renders the images unusable in Gallery? Any ideas on a work around? I'm reluctant to burn to CD only because I think the best quality images would be directly from the card to the Home Gallery.

Thanks,

Lee
post #5284 of 5599
My 1130 turn off at exactly 10:00pm PST today. I turned on the display and press the TV Guide. It stated that it needed to reinitialize. I checked the clock on the Guide and it was cleared. I then went to adjust the clock and I was able to change it.

Anyone had the same shutdown and clock resolution at 10:00pm PST?
post #5285 of 5599
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Originally Posted by kidziti View Post

I have a bunch of images that I'd love to run through the Home Gallery (via the PCMCIA card that plugs into the media receiver of the 1130HD). I generally take large megapixel images and the max pixel size is "less than" 2400 x 1800 according to the manual. I figured no problem - I'll just reduce the dimensions of the images with Photoshop to fall below the stated parameters. Unfortunately, the Gallery thumbnails only show as yellow triangles containing exclamation marks. I've tried everything and have practically memorized the manual (pages 79-81). The pics are native JPG - they are the typical JPG 4:2:0 - and the proportions are constrained to maintain the original height x width ratio, but something in this simple single-step post-processing renders them unusable to the Home Media Gallery. To be fair, the manual does state that post-processed images may present problems, but all I'm doing is reducing the size of JPGs to fit below the 2400 x 1800 pixel dimensions required. Pics from the same camera that are taken at 1600 X 1200 work fine, so it's not the camera per se.

My question - can anyone hazard a guess (hopefully educated) as to just what in the post-processing renders the images unusable in Gallery? Any ideas on a work around? I'm reluctant to burn to CD only because I think the best quality images would be directly from the card to the Home Gallery.

Thanks,

Lee

I'm curious about this as well. I haven't tried it yet, but I've wondered if resizing would cause a problem.
post #5286 of 5599
Does anyone know if this TV supports the "extended" black level...ie blacker than black images? The new updates for the PS3 and Xbox 360 added expanded blakc level options and I'm curious what to set them at.
post #5287 of 5599
Also if anyone can post recommended settings on the PS3s newly released firmware (1.80) that would be appreciated.

For comparison i found these settings work well.
- 1080i output
- Yc/Yb/Yr BR/DVD Output
- RGB Limited
- Superwhite ON
post #5288 of 5599
My 1140 HD picture is great on Dish Network HD. What am I missing though? The regular dish programs look horrible. I am running through an HDMI cable. TV is set at 720p. Help!!
post #5289 of 5599
I am thinking of purchasing 1140hd online,

Also with the new ones coming out in about a month, does it make sense to wait for the price on 1140 to drop?

Thanks for your help.

-Eugene
post #5290 of 5599
Has anyone purchased a " Service Manual" from Pioneer for a pdp5060hd that has the steps to gain acces to the service manual? I removed the cover of my Media Receiver to clean the fan and triggered a switch that diables the media receiver. The apparent step to reset is in the "service menu" of the tv, I learned the steps to gain acces to my service menu from Bruzziforum. The steps do not work for my situation. I am trying to avoid taking my tv in for service over something that can be accessed in a menu and I was hoping that the service manual would help.
Pioneers website has four service manuals listed, and I am not sure which one is the one I need. Of course pioneers customer service is reluctant to tell me which manual is correct, and I do not think they actually know.

Any help would be great.
post #5291 of 5599
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Originally Posted by pjl880 View Post

Has anyone purchased a " Service Manual" from Pioneer for a pdp5060hd that has the steps to gain acces to the service manual? I removed the cover of my Media Receiver to clean the fan and triggered a switch that diables the media receiver. The apparent step to reset is in the "service menu" of the tv, I learned the steps to gain acces to my service menu from Bruzziforum. The steps do not work for my situation. I am trying to avoid taking my tv in for service over something that can be accessed in a menu and I was hoping that the service manual would help.
Pioneers website has four service manuals listed, and I am not sure which one is the one I need. Of course pioneers customer service is reluctant to tell me which manual is correct, and I do not think they actually know.

Any help would be great.

not sure, but i think there's hope. someone on here did the exact same thing, except he had to have a tech come out to fix it. hopefully he knows the solution now. you can always search this thread.
post #5292 of 5599
hey y'all, I just ordered an Elite Pro-940 after obsessing between that and a Panny 77U. (I have a 6 y.o. panny 50" 5UY and am happy with it, need to move it to the bedroom as our new TV room can only accomodate a 42"....7.5 foot viewing distance makes any SD way too harsh and tiring on a 50", I tested it out at great length.) Gonna pair this with an HD-DVD player and steal my buddy's PS3 for Blu-Rays...

Anyways, I've read that on some Pio models people get network logo burn-in after several months, while others get a buzzing that is just too loud WHILE WATCHING the tv (not only when it is off). Anybody heard about these things with the Pro-940?

Burn-in scares the hell out of me for something that costs this much and I plan to use for 5+ years (My panny is still just awesome though it's 7 years old) I have 15 days to return...should I keep it, be blown away with the picture, and then pray? :-)

Finally, I bought a 5 year warranty for $500 (doubles up the Elite warrantys first 2 years). Thoughts? They'll give back $250 of it if nothing ever goes wrong...sort of a rip I think, maybe I'll downgrade to the 3-yr warranty for $300...can't decide.

Thanks so much y'all for any thoughts or advice! -Rob
post #5293 of 5599
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Originally Posted by rmazeffa View Post

hey y'all, I just ordered an Elite Pro-940 after obsessing between that and a Panny 77U. (I have a 6 y.o. panny 50" 5UY and am happy with it, need to move it to the bedroom as our new TV room can only accomodate a 42"....7.5 foot viewing distance makes any SD way too harsh and tiring on a 50", I tested it out at great length.) Gonna pair this with an HD-DVD player and steal my buddy's PS3 for Blu-Rays...

Anyways, I've read that on some Pio models people get network logo burn-in after several months, while others get a buzzing that is just too loud WHILE WATCHING the tv (not only when it is off). Anybody heard about these things with the Pro-940?

Burn-in scares the hell out of me for something that costs this much and I plan to use for 5+ years (My panny is still just awesome though it's 7 years old) I have 15 days to return...should I keep it, be blown away with the picture, and then pray? :-)

Finally, I bought a 5 year warranty for $500 (doubles up the Elite warrantys first 2 years). Thoughts? They'll give back $250 of it if nothing ever goes wrong...sort of a rip I think, maybe I'll downgrade to the 3-yr warranty for $300...can't decide.

Thanks so much y'all for any thoughts or advice! -Rob

Read in this thread about break in and image retention / burn in concerns:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=731242

Here is the Pioneer 7th generation thread as well:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=672745

As far as the warranty, I would save my money and just stick with the 2 year that the Elite comes with. Most warranties (Pio's included) won't cover burn in anyway.

Using common sense helps to avoid image retention / burn in. I have broken our sets in with the break in DVD referenced in the first thread I've linked here, and don't have a problem with it at all. If I get a little bit of temporary image retention, the disc washes it away.

That first thread will talk ad nauseum about how to avoid what you are afraid of. It's not that bad, and really isn't that common with the 7g Pioneers.

The buzzing varies from panel to panel, but can be reduced/eliminated by reducing contrast and setting the panel to power save 2. If it is still loud enough to hear from your listening position while watching TV, then you probably have a defective set.
post #5294 of 5599
awesome, thx NemoZorro I will educate my phospors most diligently, and wash em periodically, though I will state that it was never of slightest concern on my 7 y.o. panny. :-)

So, am I gonna be amazed with the Pro-940 showing HD-DVD, especially 1080/24p? (though the latest Toshiba HD-XA2 which I'm going to order won't support that until a future firmware update, reportedly) I just can't wait and have very high expectations!
post #5295 of 5599
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Originally Posted by rmazeffa View Post

awesome, thx NemoZorro I will educate my phospors most diligently, and wash em periodically, though I will state that it was never of slightest concern on my 7 y.o. panny. :-)

So, am I gonna be amazed with the Pro-940 showing HD-DVD, especially 1080/24p? (though the latest Toshiba HD-XA2 which I'm going to order won't support that until a future firmware update, reportedly) I just can't wait and have very high expectations!

No worries.

I'm blown away by the 1080p/24 on our 1130 and 1140 panels - it really makes a difference to my eyes.

Congrats and welcome to the club!
post #5296 of 5599
i was wondering how people ARE getting a 1080p/24 signal to their TVs. None of the HD-DVD players seem to be outputting such a signal. ??? Maybe the Blu-Ray players?
post #5297 of 5599
my PDP-4360 proved to be the wrong display choice for this gamer....

I love playing Xbox360 and I particularly love playing Gears of War online multiplayer.

I've been playing it pretty consistently a couple times a week since it came out last November and alas the white gun icon in the upper right corner of the screen is permanently burned in. its not very noticable but I see it, particularly during light colored, moving scenes (like a panning shot of sand dunes or a blue sky). its not as bad as a white gun forever sitting up there on my screen but the mark is there. and because the Pioneers (atleast the base models, not the Elites) are devoid of any kind of built-in burn in prevention i.e. white screen setting or pixel-rotation I got myself a really long VGA cable and I plug it into my Mac and make white sceens in Photoshop that I leave on for 10-20 minutes at a time. this seems to help a little.

but alas I love Pioneer, I've been a devoted fan since I was just a kid and I love Gears of War. I kind of look at it like rock chips on a Ferrari- atleast you were out driving the thing and getting some use out of it, right?

end the end though I'll probably try and sell it in a year or two and just get a 1080p LCD. if I can find one that even comes close to the beauty of my Pio.

and finally- I'm getting a new Pioneer VSX-917 A/V receiver shipped to me next week and noticed it featured SR+ control. anyone ever use this on a PDP and a VSX before? is it cool or what? I'm curious about what to expect. thanks
post #5298 of 5599
unstuck
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

unstuck

Makes me kinda sad . . .
post #5300 of 5599
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Originally Posted by nicholasmcgrew View Post

Makes me kinda sad . . .

Ha ha - yeah me too.
but the new models are coming and us "old timers" with sets that are more then a year old need to move over.
the reality is - why do we still read these forums after we are "done" researching our purchases, and configuration?

I got my 4360 last year just as they were discontinued - I have enjoyed the hell out of it since then, and yeah the newer models regular price is as low as the "blow-out" price I got teh discontinued model for, but I have enjoyed it since then and can't complain.

I am interested in hearing if the new "8th gen" pios actually have 80% "better blacks" but I will still not plan to upgrade until I am doing an entire over haul on my home theater - and seeing as I just finished the audio side of the set-up - that won't be for ATLEAST 5 years.

dark photo of my set-up, shortly after getting the 4360!

I'd like to say, thanks to all those that contributed to this thread - it was tremendously helpful to me last year.
I am sad to see it be "unstuck" but happy to make room for the new stuff, and the new users that will soon be here, as I was last year.

I'll continue to reply to threads and offer any info I have gleaned when I stop by from time to time, but I don't suspect I'll be posting threads looking for new info anytime soon.

thanks again AVS members!
post #5301 of 5599
So i think my Panny DVD playing is dying about a year and a half after I bought it. What are y'all using as your DVD player? I've previously tried Oppo and hated it. I liked my panny but either it or the input it's on is going on the fritz. No HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for me. So... what y'all using?
post #5302 of 5599
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Originally Posted by lentiman View Post

So i think my Panny DVD playing is dying about a year and a half after I bought it. What are y'all using as your DVD player? I've previously tried Oppo and hated it. I liked my panny but either it or the input it's on is going on the fritz. No HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for me. So... what y'all using?

I have Oppo 971 and Pioneer Elite 59AVi (also PS3). What didn't you like about the Oppo and which one did you try? Did you have macroblocking?
post #5303 of 5599
Oppo 970 (was ok but now collecting dust)

HD-A2
post #5304 of 5599
I have the OPPO971, and I love it.
The fact that it plays almost every format and file type is also plus.
- why did you hate yours?

I am waiting for the samsung dual format HD-DVD/Blu Ray player...
Hopefully it'll also upscale SD DVD as well as the OPPO97 does.
post #5305 of 5599
I use a zensonic networked upconverting DVD player (z500) sometimes, but most of the time I use my HTPC.
post #5306 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Schteevie View Post

I have the OPPO971, and I love it.
The fact that it plays almost every format and file type is also plus.
- why did you hate yours?

I am waiting for the samsung dual format HD-DVD/Blu Ray player...
Hopefully it'll also upscale SD DVD as well as the OPPO97 does.

I had the 971 and no matter how I tweaked it I had lip syncing issues. It sucked! Might conisder the 970 though, all HDMI.
post #5307 of 5599
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Originally Posted by lentiman View Post

I had the 971 and no matter how I tweaked it I had lip syncing issues. It sucked! Might conisder the 970 though, all HDMI.

Did you always have the latest firmware installed? I had syncing issues but they were eventually resolved.
post #5308 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Did you always have the latest firmware installed? I had syncing issues but they were eventually resolved.

I didn't have patience for eventually. It was an unexcusable problem, turned a movie over with friends into a joke and was embarrasing. My panny has a superb picture, I wish I knew why it was flaking out. I'm going to test the new Pioneer DV-400V and the Sony DVP-NS75H and then maybe test the winner with the Oppo 970.
post #5309 of 5599
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Originally Posted by lentiman View Post

I didn't have patience for eventually. It was an unexcusable problem, turned a movie over with friends into a joke and was embarrasing. My panny has a superb picture, I wish I knew why it was flaking out. I'm going to test the new Pioneer DV-400V and the Sony DVP-NS75H and then maybe test the winner with the Oppo 970.

I can understand when a customer wants full functionality out of the box and that is every customer's right. Unfortunately, we have entered the "internet era" where patches and firmware updates are more common than ever before. Microsoft is probably the easiest example and the PS3 now has upconversion capability even though it is first and foremost a gaming console.

If you never updated your Oppo's firmware, then you missed out on additional functionality like playback position memory, besides the obvious fixes.

I may sound like I am making excuses for companies to be sloppy but we do live in an age where WiFi spots are as common as your local Starbucks. If you want the functionality you paid for, a knowledgable salesperson/neighbor is your best friend.
post #5310 of 5599
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Originally Posted by lentiman View Post

So i think my Panny DVD playing is dying about a year and a half after I bought it. What are y'all using as your DVD player? I've previously tried Oppo and hated it. I liked my panny but either it or the input it's on is going on the fritz. No HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for me. So... what y'all using?

The Pio 79 - I love it and you can probably get a good deal if you can still find one. It's a fantastic all around transport.
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