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post #5311 of 5599
some initial differences between the sony and the pioneer dvd player

sony seems to be stripping some of the LFE from the dolby soundtrack in Clone Wars. Both players get different menu art, bizarre.
post #5312 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by lentiman View Post

some initial differences between the sony and the pioneer dvd player

sony seems to be stripping some of the LFE from the dolby soundtrack in Clone Wars. Both players get different menu art, bizarre.

The Star Wars prequel DVD's are designed to have random "planet art" every time you stick it into the DVD player. I think there is a way to force the same menu but I don't remember how to do it.

Are you using an HDMI receiver? Some receivers have an LFE bug through HDMI.
post #5313 of 5599
As per the many previous discussions and posts on the above title/topic I would like to clarify something. When my PS3 is playing a Blu-ray movie on my 930 and I press input, it says HDMI 1080i and not just HDMI. Therefore, I believe I'm not getting the benefit of reduced judder. Is this correct? Also, somehow I believe that 1080p/24 HD players will only 'lock in' (having benefit of reduced judder) with the Pro1130/930 6th gen series only if they are Pioneer Elite Blu-ray players (at this point in time).

Care to clarify my questions? It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
post #5314 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

As per the many previous discussions and posts on the above title/topic I would like to clarify something. When my PS3 is playing a Blu-ray movie on my 930 and I press input, it says HDMI 1080i and not just HDMI. Therefore, I believe I'm not getting the benefit of reduced judder. Is this correct? Also, somehow I believe that 1080p/24 HD players will only 'lock in' (having benefit of reduced judder) with the Pro1130/930 6th gen series only if they are Pioneer Elite Blu-ray players (at this point in time).

Care to clarify my questions? It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

There are a couple of things that may be in the way of your 1080p/24 connection:

1) A receiver is in b/w that does not pass the 1080p/24 signal.
2) Your 930 build date is closer to when it first came out.

Like you, I have failed to get the 1080p/24 from my PS3 to my 1130 but it may be because of my plasma build. NemoZorro has the same TV as me but his plasma is newer than mine.
post #5315 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

There are a couple of things that may be in the way of your 1080p/24 connection:

1) A receiver is in b/w that does not pass the 1080p/24 signal.
2) Your 930 build date is closer to when it first came out.

Like you, I have failed to get the 1080p/24 from my PS3 to my 1130 but it may be because of my plasma build. NemoZorro has the same TV as me but his plasma is newer than mine.

That is correct. My guess is that they started including the feature in the later panel builds in order to "test" it for the 7gs around the corner.

It will definitely say HDMI, and the screen setting, like FULL, but list no resolution if it is working properly. I am using a Pioneer BDP-HD1 player with it set to source direct, and the only setting on the panel is Pro Cinema is ADV. Others have noticed this too, but it could simply be that the later panels have them.

I have also confirmed this with Pioneer support; they are certainly aware that the feature exists, just that they won't support issues with it as it wasn't a listed feature.

Try an HDMI cable directly to the panel from your PS3. If that doesn't work, like EWL5 said, it is probably a build date then.
post #5316 of 5599
Thanks EWL5 and NemoZorro for responding and clarifying this issue for me.
post #5317 of 5599
Hi everyone,
I have a problem with my Pioneer 930HD and Denon 5910 setup that I can't quite explain. The Denon 5910's connected to the Pioneer with a 20' HDMI cable, and it's gradually harder to pick up the handshake when I switch between Input 1 (which has a Tivo Series 3 connected to it through an HDMI cable) and Input 3 (where the 5910's connected). At first the automatic 1080i upscaling on the Denon wasn't producing a picture unless I shut off the player & TV for a few minutes, turned on both again, switched between Inputs 1 and 3, and then let the Pioneer get "used" to a 480p/576i picture for a few minutes on Input 3 before the upscaling picture was visible.

Now it seems that the Pioneer won't recognize the 5910's HDMI connection at all. I've went and reconnected cables, turned on/off both machines for a few minutes before starting over, to no avail. I'm going to try a new HDMI cable, but I vaguely remember an old 930HD thread talking about this happening. Are there specific inputs on the Tivo's "Live TV" that I should use to avoid confusing the 930? What's going on? Is it indeed an HDMI problem?

The Better Cables HDMI connecting the Denon to the Pioneer's barely a year old, by the way.
post #5318 of 5599
Hello everyone.

I don't want to cross post, however, I feel this finding deserves to be reposted for those who are interested. Its about 1080p24 acceptance feature on the Elite media boxes for the Pro930/1130.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schteevie
Has anyone tested a 1080P input on the 6th gen Pios?
There was never an official mention of it being supported, but I have heard some where on the forums that it works...

I have a 4360, but haven't had a chance to test it.

thnx



Schteevie

There has been some discussion of this undocumented feature the last few months on these discussion boards. I have the Pro930 6th gen and I thought that I would not be able to take advantage of the 1080P24 acceptance feature because I thought it was only added to STB media boxes that had later production run dates. For example, NemmoZorro reported that his Pro1130 STB media box had a Manufacture / production date of Feb 2006 and he reported that he was getting the 'floating HDMI' only reading when fed a 1080p24 signal. My media box had production date of Dec 2005 and I thought that I missed this undocumented feature add on.

However, I am happy to report that with my PS3, yes the wonderful PS3, and with the forced 1080p24 firmware upgrade 1.9, I now have the floating HDMI signal display. I became excited when I played Blackhawk Down, during the FBI warning it said HDMI 1080i. However, when the actual movie started, the picture locked into the 1080p24 mode and the upper right hand screen flashed 'HDMI'with no 1080i below it. Therefore, I now know that I can take advantage of this feature. And even if its not perfect with total elimination of judder, I would argue that I see a big difference.

However, it might be the 6th gen elites can only take advantage of this hidden feature but not the 'non-Elite'version. I suggest if you have a PS3 with 1.9 firmware or a friend that does, do a test and see what happens.

As I side note I wish more 6 gen owners chimed in the 6th gen plasma forum to share this 'hidden feature' experience and their STB box manufacture date etc.

Thanks
post #5319 of 5599
Hmmmm

i have a 4360 and just got a Philips 3575 DVD recorder with 1080p upconvert. I will have to try this and see if it works.

Now this 1080p24 firmware you talk about, it is basically forcing 1080p into your TV? What would happen if you tried this on some old TV with like 720p? Would it show nothing? Would the TV downconvert to it's highest res?

I am busy tonight, but I'll see what I can do with my 4360. Maybe someone else already knows the answer?
post #5320 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Hello everyone.

I don't want to cross post, however, I feel this finding deserves to be reposted for those who are interested. Its about 1080p24 acceptance feature on the Elite media boxes for the Pro930/1130.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schteevie
Has anyone tested a 1080P input on the 6th gen Pios?
There was never an official mention of it being supported, but I have heard some where on the forums that it works...

I have a 4360, but haven't had a chance to test it.

thnx



Schteevie

There has been some discussion of this undocumented feature the last few months on these discussion boards. I have the Pro930 6th gen and I thought that I would not be able to take advantage of the 1080P24 acceptance feature because I thought it was only added to STB media boxes that had later production run dates. For example, NemmoZorro reported that his Pro1130 STB media box had a Manufacture / production date of Feb 2006 and he reported that he was getting the 'floating HDMI' only reading when fed a 1080p24 signal. My media box had production date of Dec 2005 and I thought that I missed this undocumented feature add on.

However, I am happy to report that with my PS3, yes the wonderful PS3, and with the forced 1080p24 firmware upgrade 1.9, I now have the floating HDMI signal display. I became excited when I played Blackhawk Down, during the FBI warning it said HDMI 1080i. However, when the actual movie started, the picture locked into the 1080p24 mode and the upper right hand screen flashed 'HDMI'with no 1080i below it. Therefore, I now know that I can take advantage of this feature. And even if its not perfect with total elimination of judder, I would argue that I see a big difference.

However, it might be the 6th gen elites can only take advantage of this hidden feature but not the 'non-Elite'version. I suggest if you have a PS3 with 1.9 firmware or a friend that does, do a test and see what happens.

As I side note I wish more 6 gen owners chimed in the 6th gen plasma forum to share this 'hidden feature' experience and their STB box manufacture date etc.

Thanks

With the 1.9 PS3 update, I can confirm that my Pro1130HD now is accepting 1080p/24. I also thought it was a build issue, but does not seem to be the case.
I am glad for the "forced" 1080p/24 mode from firmware update 1.9!
post #5321 of 5599
My 4360 is having video drop outs when I am watching over the air digital stations. My signal is weak but it has never done this. I dont lose sound only video. It flashes twice and then goes black with sound still normal. Any thoughts??
post #5322 of 5599
Weak signals can cause all types of anomalies. Just because you didn't have video drop outs in the past doesn't mean they should/would not even happen.
post #5323 of 5599
It wouldnt have anything to do with some video board or the atsc tuner?
post #5324 of 5599
Occam's razor. The simplest solution is probably right.

I wouldn't get too crazy about replacing my tuner and video board until I was dang sure it wasn't the signal. You need to get a better signal to test with. If you're getting +80 or something, then start worrying about the TV itself.
post #5325 of 5599
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

With the 1.9 PS3 update, I can confirm that my Pro1130HD now is accepting 1080p/24. I also thought it was a build issue, but does not seem to be the case.
I am glad for the "forced" 1080p/24 mode from firmware update 1.9!

Thats really interesting... I'll have to try this tonight. I have a 74txvi avr in the middle though.
post #5326 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

With the 1.9 PS3 update, I can confirm that my Pro1130HD now is accepting 1080p/24. I also thought it was a build issue, but does not seem to be the case.
I am glad for the "forced" 1080p/24 mode from firmware update 1.9!


So, does the new firmware on the PS3 allow it to send 24fps straight off the disc, without any conversion to/from 60fps? If so, then I'm in.
post #5327 of 5599
Well, I bit the bullet and purchased a PS3. I can confirm that my Elite Pro-1130HD is handling the 1080p24fps straight of the BR disc just fine. The resolution indicator does not show, but it does show HDMI (there's just no resolution shown where it normally would).

Watched Flyboys and thought it looked fantastic using Advanced 3:3 mode. Nice to know that all that is happening to the movie is a conversion from 1080 to 768.
post #5328 of 5599
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Originally Posted by MaliciousBraham View Post

Thats really interesting... I'll have to try this tonight. I have a 74txvi avr in the middle though.

I have an 84TX as a receiver and that for sure was advertised to pass 1080p/24. The 74 may be a different story. Try connecting directly to the TV as well, just for testing purposes.
post #5329 of 5599
Anyone with warping on the bezel like this (picture below)? It's very distracting. Many sets seem to have this problem and I took pictures of a set at Best Buy, but they're not as bad as mine.

A Pioneer rep mentioned that I have to prove it's not a manufacturing defect and that I have to pay to have it inspected by a repair facility. It's still under warranty. She's probably a little inexperienced and probably didn't give the appropriate response. I'm a little mad about it.
post #5330 of 5599
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Originally Posted by a_ok2me View Post

Anyone with warping on the bezel like this (picture below)? It's very distracting. Many sets seem to have this problem and I took pictures of a set at Best Buy, but they're not as bad as mine.

A Pioneer rep mentioned that I have to prove it's not a manufacturing defect and that I have to pay to have it inspected by a repair facility. It's still under warranty. She's probably a little inexperienced and probably didn't give the appropriate response. I'm a little mad about it.


I think that's normal. Mine is not perfectly flat. The high-gloss finish is going to reveal even the slightest waviness to the bezel's surface.

I will add that I don't have the set's speaker connected, so the bezel is not between something as is the case with yours. With the speakers attached, I can see how you might focus on it. Still, I doub't it is a defect.
post #5331 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

I think that's normal. Mine is not perfectly flat. The high-gloss finish is going to reveal even the slightest waviness to the bezel's surface.

I will add that I don't have the set's speaker connected, so the bezel is not between something as is the case with yours. With the speakers attached, I can see how you might focus on it. Still, I doub't it is a defect.

That's kind of what I think. Yet, I also think it's a defect in design, thus a manufacturer defect.
post #5332 of 5599
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Originally Posted by a_ok2me View Post

That's kind of what I think. Yet, I also think it's a defect in design, thus a manufacturer defect.


Hard to argue defective design for something that is aesthetic and does not affect performance.

Now, my Sony CRT has wavy glass - there's a better argument there for design or manufacturing defect, since it affects geometry. Of course, geometry on a CRT is not perfect anyway, so the argument gets much harder.
post #5333 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

Hard to argue defective design for something that is aesthetic and does not affect performance.

Now, my Sony CRT has wavy glass - there's a better argument there for design or manufacturing defect, since it affects geometry. Of course, geometry on a CRT is not perfect anyway, so the argument gets much harder.

Probably true. It does distract my viewing quality because my eyes are alway fixated on it. For a customer who paid ~ $6K for it, I'd consider that as performance... just looking for any excuse.
post #5334 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaliciousBraham View Post

Thats really interesting... I'll have to try this tonight. I have a 74txvi avr in the middle though.

I do too and have never tried the video through as I assumed it would not pass the 1080p/24. I believe the 8x series needed a firmware upgrade out of the box to do so. Curious to see if it works.......
post #5335 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

With the 1.9 PS3 update, I can confirm that my Pro1130HD now is accepting 1080p/24. I also thought it was a build issue, but does not seem to be the case.
I am glad for the "forced" 1080p/24 mode from firmware update 1.9!

Glad it is working for you!
post #5336 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by NemoZorro View Post

Glad it is working for you!

I don't think anybody can make a judgment on what judder really is until there's a lack of it in the picture. My best description is SMOOOOOOOOOOOTH!
post #5337 of 5599
Quote:
Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

I don't think anybody can make a judgment on what judder really is until there's a lack of it in the picture. My best description is SMOOOOOOOOOOOTH!

Very good point - I see it so much now with SD-DVDs where I hardly ever saw it before because I'm so used to the 24 input......
post #5338 of 5599
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Originally Posted by NemoZorro View Post

I do too and have never tried the video through as I assumed it would not pass the 1080p/24. I believe the 8x series needed a firmware upgrade out of the box to do so. Curious to see if it works.......

Since we're on the topic . . .

In addition to the Pro1130HD, I have an Elite VSX-80TXV receiver that switches HDMI but does not do HDMI audio. I have not previously connected my video sources through the receiver, opting instead to go HDMI straight to the Plasma's media receiver. Since there are only two HDMI inputs on the Plasma, and since I now have 3 HDMI sources (D* HR20, OPPO DVD, PS3), I am now running the DVD and PS3 through the receiver into a single input on the Plasma (I still have the sat receiver connected directly). I can confirm that with the 24p turned to ON in the PS3, the VSX80TXV is passing the signal just fine.

And before someone says it, I realize I could remove the OPPO from the mix, but it sends 480i via HDMI which the PS3 does not do. That, and the fact that the PS3 doesn't have IR remote capability means I'm still watching DVDs on the OPPO.
post #5339 of 5599
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Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

I can confirm that with the 24p turned to ON in the PS3, the VSX80TXV is passing the signal just fine.

That is good news - I was looking for a while to replace my 74 receiver, but got scared away with the potential firmware update process. I was told by several places that it had to be sent away for this, and my question was always "why couldn't it be done beforehand?" Sounds like they must have figured out this, as I was looking at the 8x series early on.
post #5340 of 5599
I have a Pioneer PDP-4360.
I purchased it about a year ago but didn't get to use it for more than one month as I moved out of the apartment I was living in at the time.. DAMN GIRLFRIEND! hahaha
Anyway.. I recently moved and hook her it back up! I was so excited just to watch tv on it again..but I am having MAJOR ISSUES!!!

#1 The media box when in standby mode will often go back to the flashing blue light with out me doing anything...
#2 after watching TV for about a half hour the TV montior just turns back to standby and the media box has the flashing blue light again. If I turn it back on it somethings shows the STANDBY Message.... sometimes it will come back on to and recieve the cable signal.

I have the HD/DVR box from Time warner cable. Its the Scientific Atlanta HD Explorer box if someone needs that info.

I have shut off the AUTO size as someone told me with the HDMI conection you need to shut that off. I am at a loss at this point. I thought the media box may have been getting to warm in the cabinet but I have a small fan back there with it and that still doesn't help it.

Please help me!! I need my TV! hahaha Thanks for any tips and advice!

Solar78
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