Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread - Page 342

This is after the 3rd ob replacement today

I can see the discoloration in the bottom corners...

wow... wtf mate?

Al,

I get light engine #3 installed tomarrow. Sony wants a pic for their records. I'll keep you posted once again!

We'll be praying for you, pirate!

Maybe you can give us a picture, too.

The black blotches in the picture are what's happining to everything dark in the source material. The photo doesn't do it justice as far as the purple's go. They seem to be a stronger shade of blue.

Well im calling the electronic company near me that is suppose to be letting me now the status of my TV anyday now.There ordering a light engine for mine.There going to come out and put it in.Im going to run my disk as soon as he completes the job.If its not right then he said we will replce it out.Im wondering if i should go with another one.Im really love the set but if they really have the problems fixed yet does anyone know?

Sorry I have not responded sooner;

Lip synching issues only occur periodically. I may see it watching a TIVO'd show, but not on another. I see it watching live TV via the TIVO on one channel, but not on another. Using the OTA antanae input, it might be on one channel but not on another.

I have been searching this site for more answers for hours tonight, and I am not finding much info.

My receiver (Denon 3803) does have a delay setting, but I really havent tinkered much with it. If I set it for 40ms (for one example) will it remain that way for everything? And will it go the right time direction (will it correct the problem or make it worse)?

many questions, anyone have any good answers and/or solutions? And is this an issue regardless of technology (LcOS, DLP, etc...)?

Just wanted to say HI im a newbie and I just recently bought the sony 60inch xbr1 and so far so good my build date is: feb. 2006 I plan to buy the 9100ES dvd player by sony to mate this with.

Great news! My ISF tech and I installed Velux inside his SXRD cabinet last night and the on/off contrast ratio (w/ lights off) measured nearly 4 times what it did without the Velux!

He had also previously strengthened his advanced iris in the service menu on both the high and low ends.

Contrast ratio measurements:

Without Velux: 8300:1

With Velux: 32,000:1

Here are the black level measurements:

Without Velux: 0.0031 fl

With Velux: 0.00013 fl

In other words, the Velux install is a terrific improvement. Took around 2 1/2 hours from start to finish.

We are going to install the Velux in my SXRD tonight. Will report back this weekend.

Lipsync issues are not a result of the technology/light engine. They result from the electronic processing of the video signal (deinterlacing, enhancements, etc.). As I said earlier, in the case of the SXRD that tends to take around 30-40 ms which is right on the edge of what most people notice. Some brands, like Samsung, typically have more problems.

The significant variances you cite can be attributed to the various broadcasters. I'm not sure about how fast "on the fly" adjustments can be made on your Denon; however, with my Felston I have a base 35ms delay for all shows (DVD, D*, and OTA) and can adjust, if required, normally within 15-30 seconds. I would guess that the base 35ms delay works for 98% of our viewing. However, my wife is sensitive to lypsync problems and for the 2% of viewing that requires adjustment, the 15-30 second process is well worth the effort.

Sounds great. As soon as I get an issue-free SXRD I'll explore this option.

Well, so much for all this research... After giving Sears SN 911563 as the lowest number that I want, I got 9102***, November build (#4 for me). How is it possible that Sears is still selling last year's TVs? I have mixed feeling about my dealings with Sears, the sales people have been VERY accommodating, the delivery guys were very nice and the price was ~$300 less than the cheapest price you can bargain out of CC/BB/Tweeter (due to 10% off thing). But their warehouse/delivery system is simply not capable of discriminating between different build dates or serial numbers and they seem to have stocked up with a lot of these TVs early on (though, their stock might be different in other regions).

I thought of not accepting this TV (as I did with #3), but the current unit would not stay on for longer than 2-2.5 hours (bad fan), so it really wasn't an option. I am going to give this TV a fair chance over the weekend, but if I see any of the previously mentioned problems, I am taking it back (this time for good) and will have to search for another place to buy this TV .

Cheezz: "50% is way way too much. You mean 50% of the owners in this forum....not overall."

That would be on the high side, I won't disagree there are some problems with this set but it most cases it is the same people posting the same thing over and over. Frankly I give any manufacturer 2 shots if a third happens see ya.... I would demand my money back and call someone and put it under the lemon law or something or do what they did to Apple and file a class action law suit, kind of harsh but if this many people are having this many problems then demand newer sets(2006) models or sometype of a credit with Sony and or your money back. I mean 4-5 sets give me a break........ Better yet give your sanity a break!

I was just curious what everyone was using for a stand for their SXRDs????? I'd like a black stand over the factory stand from Sony b/c I'm not sure i like the open look. Any suggestions or reasoning would be great though! Thanks folks!

Finally, pics! If you cannot see the discoloration, take off your glasses with the Sony logo on it lol









Saturday is the day for light engine replacement #2.

I know that Sears didn't get a great review from TR7Spyder has far as getting a certain build date (not sure anyone would do that) but it sounds like they do have good customer service.

Anyway FWIW, just in case anyone is interested I came across an ad for Sears..... A two day sale with 0% for 18 months or 5% cash back on home electronics. Add that to their 10% of the difference matching deal and you might be able to save some money.

take pictures of the install...

Very true! Their customer service has been outstanding! My #2 TV was supposed to be January + build, when they delivered a September build with a green blob during the start up and into 10+ min, their customer service rep scheduled another delivery AND offered a $50 gift card for my troubles (that ended up being the November TV that I refused) . But, ultimately, if they can't get me a good TV, what good it this customer service?

They told me that it costs them $300 every time I return a TV, so why can't they (for their own sake) get it right

BlackbearSaint: Where are you located? And where did you get your set? I am in Madison, WI and I am curious. My set has slight green tinge but hey you get that on DLPs/LCDs etc.. I see it on my Sharp LCD, so it is not just SXRDs that have this problem. Now it depends on the degree of course.

I'm Bitwize's ISF tech.
Here's some more detailed numbers. These measurements were made with the fixed iris at 2.

First for the ANSI checkerboard pattern contrast ratios.

With the lights on in the room:
before- 89:1, .168 fL black level
after- 109:1, .134 fL

With the lights out and the front of the TV covered with a blanket:
before- 109:1, .139 fL
after- 121:1, .12 fL

The advanced iris had little or no effect on the ANSI contrast because of the high picture level.

Now for the full on/full off measurements. These were made with a full field white pattern vs. a black pattern.

Room lights on, advanced iris low:
before- 506:1, .031 fL
after- 690:1, .023

Room lights off, w/blanket, adv iris low:
before- 8333:1, .002
after- 19000:1, .001

Room lights off, w/blanket, adv iris high:
before- did not measure
after- 32000:1, black level was too low to give a number (under .00), but this was confirmed with 2 readings

Room lights off, w/blanket, adv iris off:
before- 2479:1, .006
after- 3389:1, .004

All the black level numbers were rounded off by my program (Colorfacts), and all white levels were between 13.2 and 16 fL, depending mainly on advanced iris settings. Most white level readings were around 15 fL.

Subjectively, the blacks are richer, as expected, and shadow detail is improved.

Chad B

that is just awful ; F%$K the light engine replacement, I would demand a new set or my money back...

Holy cow! And I thought my blob was bad. Saturday is my day for light engine replacement #1 which will hopefully be the only one.

Good luck with yours!

Great news!! And those are some gawdy CR and black level numbers! What do you feel had the biggest impact on the CR gain, the Velux or the adv. iris tweaks in the service menu? Would you say that the blacks are now "inky black" like crt? Was there any affect on shadow detail? How hard was it to do the Velux install? Could a novice do it without screwing the TV up? Does this do anything to correct the green blob or other color uniformity issues?

Sorry for bombing you with so many questions, but I am very interested in this tweak. Would it be possible to take step by step pictures during the Velux installation of your sxrd?

Did you take these pictures as the TV was warming up? I am asking as it looks like the screen gets brighter and brighter with each picture.

How long was the TV on at the time you took the bottom picture? If more than five minutes or so it sure looks like you have a bad one.

Chad,

1) Would this do anything for sets with the green blob or other color uniformity issues such as the pictures that were posted a few posts above this one?

2) Would you consider doing a roadie if you had enough AVS members with SXRDs commit to a full ISF calibration + the tweaks + the Velux install or some combination of these services?

Well, BB has a price-matching policy (at least the ones here do) so you can take the Sears Ad to BB and have them to match it. That's how I got my set.

They don't build them.... They just sell them....

It sounds like to me they are trying hard to get you satisfied and that is customer service.

Your gripe should be with Sony!

I do hope in the end you get a good set!

Again,
This is your opinion. I think we are all entitled to that on a public forum. I guess according to your post many of us are insane? I don't agree with changing screen names etc.. to try to fool people, but i can tell you that my problems are real and they impair my enjoyment of viewing the set; I also am taking action to fix the problem by first replacing the light engine then getting a replacement set and now a third. I guess I don't understand why one would keep a set that had a "blob" or discolorations in the corners when paying thousands of dollars for a product and they can see it clearly on their set (still that is their choice, it does not make them wrong). Also, many people are reporting their sets exhibit no blobs or discolorations and I would like one of those sets as well, I think my money and my right as a consumer earns me that. You can say it's crazy, and I again don't feel that any of us are wrong, but I have different expectations than others and my persistence makes me who I am. You say that exchanging two sets is acceptable, but on the third people should get their money back or give their sanity a break etc.... can I ask what governing body came up with those figures? Truth is and I will say it again, I don't want another set as these produce a picture unmatched by others, but I want one that I can enjoy without obvious defects while viewing an active picture , be that while gaming or through movies or TV viewing, I think that is fair and reasonable and I will continue to exchange these until I get one be it 2 exchanged sets or 5, sorry if that bothers you but obvious picture quality flaws bother me on a tv that lists for $4500 plus $499 for the stand plus the EW I bought totaling well more than $5000. That is a lot of money for a television, a premium price if you will and for that price I should get a premium product ( one without obvious defects). Those with problems they can see can keep their sets and again it's their right as a consumer; that is just not acceptable to me.

Unfortunately, it doesn't help the green blob. However, I can fix the blue hue, another common SXRD problem. I'm still trying to find a cure for the green blob and color uniformity. I am not holding my breath, because I've spent many hours trying with no success so far.
I have found tweaks that I have posted in the treaks thread, plus I have found point by point gamma adjustment (like a 9 band equalizer for the gamma), plus seperate red, green, and blue low end gamma and high end gamma adjustments, (which can flatten out grayscale humps or dips), iris tweaks, YC delay, and color decoding controls. The YC delay and color decoding (and I guess the gamma, also) are normally fine from the factory, though.
I would be happy to do a roadie. Just keep me posted. Thanks!