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Originally Posted by Q56_Monster View Post

If you're just looking to upconvert SD DVD's, then the new Toshiba HD DVD player is probably just as useful as any other upconverting DVD player out there, but at 2-4x's the price. I also suspect that the upconverter technology on the toshiba is also exactly the same as other current market upconverting DVD players. While we already know this new player is a great HDDVD player (albeit the only one), only time will tell if its a good upconverting DVD player.

I have the oppo and it is great paired with my 60" SXRD.

I absolutely love my Toshiba XA-1KN...it upconverts beautifully..plays HD Audio superbly..and has the best damn HD picture when playing HD DVD one could hope for right now...of course having UMR calibrate my system to be perfect helped a-lot too ..Yes..it is expensive right now...and you can get the cheaper version of the player.. Having my Sony/Pioneer Elite/Toshiba using all HDMI cables is great...
post #11642 of 23942
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Originally Posted by phenwick View Post

KTTV,

Check this thread for the problem you descibed:showthread.php?t=667897

Don't know if you have seen it.

Good luck,

Dave

Thanks for your quick reply.
No, I was not aware of the subject discussed in the thread you mentioned above . Unfortunately, my problem and the issue covered in this new thread are an exact match. The yellow stain I see is exactly as shown in the photograph in the 1st post.

So this thread confirms for me that there is indeed a new failure mode that is striking the blue SXRD panels well after the 30 day trial period. Light engine replacement is required--but what is the mean time to failure?

Very disturbing news.
Thanks again,

KT
post #11643 of 23942
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Originally Posted by LNCPapa View Post

KTTV Images - I'm experiencing the same exact thing starting 2 weeks ago. I've been so happy with the tube being cherry for the last 3+ months and was hoping I wouldn't get hit with any of the troubles a few of the other guys here have. What I'm trying to decide on is whether I should call for service now or wait till the 2006 model is out in case I end up passing for the lemon/replacement option.

If you have the problem I am having -the light engine will require replacement sooner or later, but it must eventually be replaced.
But I am quite interested in what you refer to as a lemon/replacement option. Could you please expand a little on what this is all about. I am not aware of any lemon law or store policy relating to TV sets etc. --only automobiles.

Thanks
KT
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Originally Posted by pensivejazz View Post

Well I was done until I saw this. Let me be clear. Price was NOT the determining factor since the two are relatively close in msrp. It simply helped get beyond the Sony reputation, in which the 05 sxrd doesn't seem to follow suit.

The only reason is to irritate? Had you actively read my posts you would see that there's a whole paragraph as to why I posted here. try rereading. do it a few times if once more doesn't work.

I thought brand loyalty is the source of much of this Sony bias, but I can see that with some people it's something more and perhaps just can't discern what they read... even when it's concise.

Really, it's all there. I'm done completing due diligence for others in my boat, off to my owners thread.


THANKS FOR YOUR POST! I recently bought the SRXD and the only loyalties I have are to god and country!

I still run over to the LG and Sammy threads to see what is going on....I have enough cash in my pocket that if I find that there is something out there worth buying even after the SRXD purchase...well...then I will just go buy it.

Heck..I saw a 60" Samsung Plasma the other day in the store for a GREAT PRICE and started doing research on it (my SRXD is still in the box....new media room is ALMOST done)....I have no problem telling BB to come get it!

These forums are here for us to pass and share opinions....heck..I was on the fence after reading the ga-zillion threads out here will all of the green blobbing, etc....and almost didn't buy the SRXD...when I did...I posted a thank you out on the SAMMY thread and told them I wimped out (GRIN).

IMHO..the new Sammy 5053 Plasma has one of the best pictures for the money out there...but for me it was just too smalll.....heck..I took a step backwards for this...moving from a 65" Mitz diamond to the SRXD loosing 5" of diag space and more inputs that you could EVER use (including 3 IEEE).

I personally own a Pioneer Elite 50" plasma, a 44" Toshiba DLP, a Sharp 27" LCD, and two Sony's (SRXD and a flat-screen tube).

I for one am glad you posted here and I enjoyed your opinion!

Thanks!

Frank
post #11645 of 23942
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Originally Posted by slash007 View Post

After reading this post, I double checked all the digital channels that it picked up and only one of them had a picture while the rest were music. I'm sure the cable line is fine because this whole house is only a year old, so all of the cabling is new, including the line coming to the house. Also, I have no problems tuning my local hd channels through cable on other tv's, so the cable can't be the problem. This whole thing really baffles me as I don't know what it could be. Sony says that they have never heard of this problem and everywhere that I've checked online has people saying that it works for them, so I don't know what else it could be except that maybe the tuner in the sxrd line is very weak, but then at least a few others would have had problems, so I just don't know what to think.

If anyone else can think of something to try, please let me know. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

When you say digital channels, you are talking about the digital channels coming from your cable company? They can only be decoded using your cable box or a cable card inserted into your set. Digital cable does not equal digital OTA broadcast.

It is quite possible that your cable company is encrypting the HD content, as well. Call them up and complain, because they aren't allowed to do that.

Something you can try, if you have a UHF TV set top antenna, you could try hooking that up and try to see if it can pick anything up. You can check antennaweb.org to see how far away you are from the local broadcasters.


Keith
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Originally Posted by dropper View Post

When you say digital channels, you are talking about the digital channels coming from your cable company? They can only be decoded using your cable box or a cable card inserted into your set. Digital cable does not equal digital OTA broadcast.

It is quite possible that your cable company is encrypting the HD content, as well. Call them up and complain, because they aren't allowed to do that.

Something you can try, if you have a UHF TV set top antenna, you could try hooking that up and try to see if it can pick anything up. You can check antennaweb.org to see how far away you are from the local broadcasters.


Keith

The digital channels can be received by the SXRD without a box or cable card, as the SXRD has a QAM tuner. Cable companies can encrypt digital channels if they get permission from the local stations.
You might be able to contact your locals and ask (if you can get to the right person) if they have given permission to your cable company to encrypt their digital channel.
post #11647 of 23942
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Originally Posted by stewa View Post

The digital channels can be received by the SXRD without a box or cable card, as the SXRD has a QAM tuner. Cable companies can encrypt digital channels if they get permission from the local stations.
You might be able to contact your locals and ask (if you can get to the right person) if they have given permission to your cable company to encrypt their digital channel.


I know that the local hd channels are not encrypted because I get them using the qam tuner built into two other tv's that I own. I would use an antenna, but I live far from the stations and even using a rooftop antenna I was only able to get a weak signal, so I really would like to get them on this tv through the cable line like I can on my other tv's. Thanks.
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Feel I have to share my unbounded enthusiasm for my new 60XBR1 and Oppo combination. Out of the box the picture is incredibly good, no great.

There is one problem with what I guess is overscan. When watching channels like CNN with the bottom scrolling bar, most of the bar is cut off. I have tried adjusting with user menu and nothing seems to improve the situation. Is there an easy fix or should I try a waranty claim?
post #11649 of 23942
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Originally Posted by slash007 View Post

After calling sony for the 3rd time, the rep that I got told me that the qam tuner in my sxrd seems like it is defective and gave me the name of a service center to call. He said that possibly the qam tuner was treating my local hd digital channels as analog and that is why it picks up all the digital channels except for the ones I actually want, (the local hd ones). He also said that this is the first he has heard of a possibly defective qam tuner. Has anyone here had their tuner defective or even heard of one being defective? I don't really want to schedule a service call and waste my time. Thanks.

I am on Adelphia cable and have scanned all the channels both with and without the cablecard that I use (several times). Although I pick up a couple of channels (none local), I have reached the conclusion that Adelphia intends for its subscribers to have to use either the box or the cablecard to tune the digital (including HD) channels. I do not suspect that my qam tuner is not functioning properly.
post #11650 of 23942
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Originally Posted by pensivejazz View Post

Seriously,

You shouldn't have to "get used to" that leathery looking screen. Face it, the grain is Sony's version of 'noise'.

I pulled the trigger on the Sammy (for multiple reasons) last Friday, but this bothersome "grain" was a large reason why I started looking away from the SXRD (just do a search on my name for a few reasons).

Not trying to impose buyer's remorse here now that I went with the Sammy, but I know an excuse when I see one. For those debating, keep your mind open...

I have read virtually every post about the SXRD since it was first announced. This is the first time I can recall that there has been any discussion of "grain" on the SXRD. There are some pretty picky people on this site and none of them until now seems to have a grain problem. Personally, I have no idea to what you could be referring. Even the analog SD picture is very good on very good cable.
post #11651 of 23942
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Originally Posted by bertes View Post

Feel I have to share my unbounded enthusiasm for my new 60XBR1 and Oppo combination. Out of the box the picture is incredibly good, no great.

There is one problem with what I guess is overscan. When watching channels like CNN with the bottom scrolling bar, most of the bar is cut off. I have tried adjusting with user menu and nothing seems to improve the situation. Is there an easy fix or should I try a waranty claim?

What resolution is the Oppo upscaling to? It supposedly works better at 720p but I was wondering if the Sony would prefer to see a 1080i. I've tried both and not really noticed a difference to be honest but I did it quickly. Just wondering what you thought.
post #11652 of 23942
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

But I am quite interested in what you refer to as a lemon/replacement option. Could you please expand a little on what this is all about. I am not aware of any lemon law or store policy relating to TV sets etc. --only automobiles.

Thanks
KT

When I purchased my extended warranty I asked how many times would a tech have to come out for the same problem before I received a replacement or store credit. They informed me of a lemon/replacement option....which is, if they are out 3 times for the same problem, over the period of your warranty, they would either issue you a replacement set or store credit for the amount of the set.
post #11653 of 23942
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Originally Posted by gvg45 View Post

When I purchased my extended warranty I asked how many times would a tech have to come out for the same problem before I received a replacement or store credit. They informed me of a lemon/replacement option....which is, if they are out 3 times for the same problem, over the period of your warranty, they would either issue you a replacement set or store credit for the amount of the set.

This is true! Best Buy's EW works this way.
post #11654 of 23942
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

I have read virtually every post about the SXRD since it was first announced. This is the first time I can recall that there has been any discussion of "grain" on the SXRD. There are some pretty picky people on this site and none of them until now seems to have a grain problem. Personally, I have no idea to what you could be referring. Even the analog SD picture is very good on very good cable.

I'm also a little perplexed about what "grain" this is referring to. Maybe SSE, which appears to me as a sort of granularity in the screen. Of course, SSE is present in almost all RPTVs to some extent.
post #11655 of 23942
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Originally Posted by texaspledge View Post

What resolution is the Oppo upscaling to? It supposedly works better at 720p but I was wondering if the Sony would prefer to see a 1080i. I've tried both and not really noticed a difference to be honest but I did it quickly. Just wondering what you thought.


Bertes, I don't have the overscan you're talking about, so it maybe a prob w/ the TV itself, or maybe switch the picture mode a few times to see if that corrects your problem. You may have it set at zoom or wide zoom, which would cut off the bottom of scrolling news, etc. Try Full or normal settings.

Texaspledge - oppo does look better (to my eyes) on 720p. If you do a 1080i feed from the oppo and look up close. you can see resolution lines. With 720p everything is smooth, even up close. However from far away (+ 12 ft), 1080i looks better (again my eyes) and much much sharper. Since you can't see the resolution lines at 1080i from far away, that might be the way to go, but if anyone sits closer than 12 ft, 720p is better. Test it your self and see.
post #11656 of 23942
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Originally Posted by John 61 View Post

Q56..... Thanks for the response, but no I would be using the Toshiba HD DVD player to enjoy HD DVD movies as well. Not just to up-convert SD DVD'S. My understanding was that the HD-A1 would only up-convert SD DVD'S if it were connected to the SXRD via the HDMI connector. From what I read from other posters said is that the two were not compatable and I would have to use the component inputs ??? How do you have your Oppo DVD player connected to your SXRD ( DVI to HDMI ) right ?? I guess it comes down to compatability, will the SXRD HDMI input except the HDMI output from the Toshiba HD-A1 and if so how do it look, PQ wise ??? Any SXRD experts out there that can help offer some advise ??


There is no reason HDMI to HDMI connection wouldn't work. Component to component would work too, but its an analog connection.

When you get it hooked up tell us how those HDDVD's look on the SXRD!
post #11657 of 23942
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Originally Posted by slash007 View Post

After reading this post, I double checked all the digital channels that it picked up and only one of them had a picture while the rest were music. I'm sure the cable line is fine because this whole house is only a year old, so all of the cabling is new, including the line coming to the house. Also, I have no problems tuning my local hd channels through cable on other tv's, so the cable can't be the problem. This whole thing really baffles me as I don't know what it could be. Sony says that they have never heard of this problem and everywhere that I've checked online has people saying that it works for them, so I don't know what else it could be except that maybe the tuner in the sxrd line is very weak, but then at least a few others would have had problems, so I just don't know what to think.

If anyone else can think of something to try, please let me know. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks


Maybe a simple signal amplifier.
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Sony Delivers Full High Definition With Expanded Grand WEGA SXRD Microdisplay Line-Up




Five New Models Include 1080p Inputs with Screen Sizes Up to 70 inches

LOS ANGELES, June 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Strengthening its leadership in the microdisplay market, Sony Electronics today introduced five full 1920 x 1080 high-definition Grand WEGA(TM) rear projection models based on its acclaimed Silicon X-tal (Crystal) Reflective Display (SXRD(TM)) technology.

The new SXRD models feature 1920 x 1080 resolution, HDMI(TM) inputs with 1080p capability and range in screen sizes from 50 to 70 inches

"Thanks to outstanding picture quality and overall performance, the response to our SXRD Grand WEGA TVs has been nothing short of phenomenal" said Randy Waynick, senior vice president of the Home Products Division for Sony Electronics. "We expect the new line-up to keep up the positive momentum by offering greater flexibility, deeper features and incredible picture quality."




SXRD XBR Line

Sony's SXRD XBR(R) line features two new models that represent the pinnacle of performance. The 70-inch KDS-R70XBR2 and 60-inch KDS-R60XBR2 benefit from the refinements of Sony's three 0.61-inch SXRD chips (one each for red, green and blue color reproduction), delivering more than 2 million native pixels (1920 X 1080) for a full high-definition picture.

Video signal process enhancements include Sony's WEGA Engine HD(TM) system and Digital Reality Creation(R) Multi Function Version Two Point Five (DRC-MFv2.5), high resolution video processing technology which provides crisp and clear pictures. This technology enables the digital mapping of not only conventional NTSC sources, but also 1080i HD signals.

Working with Sony's Cinema Black Pro mode, the sets deliver up to 10,000:1 contrast based on overall light levels of the original signal.

The new models are digital cable-ready with an integrated CableCARD(TM) slot and TV Guide(R) on screen program guide. Other features include two HDMI inputs with 1080p capability, front HDMI HDV camcorder connection, and a PC input. The XBR models feature side speakers, which are removable on the KDS-R70XBR2 model.

The KDS-R70XBR2 and KDS-R60XBR2 units will ship in early fall and be available for about $7,800 and $5,300, respectively.




SXRD A2000 Line

Offering 60-, 55- and 50-inch models, Sony's new A2000 line delivers outstanding SXRD picture quality and a new compact, bottom speaker cabinet design. The KDS-60A2000, KDS-55A2000 and KDS-50A2000 models feature the WEGA Engine system and the same 0.61-inch SXRD chips found in the XBR line, as well as such picture technologies as Cinema Black Pro that delivers a contrast of up to 10,000:1 based on overall light levels of the original source. The line also offers two HDMI inputs with 1080p capability and a front component input for HDV camcorder and PC input.

The KDS-60A2000, KDS-55A2000, and KDS-50A2000 models ship this summer for about $4,500, $4,000, and $3,500, respectively.

All models will be available through sonystyle.com, at Sony Style retail stores (www.sonystyle.com/retail) and at authorized dealers nationwide. More information on the new line can be found by visiting www.sony.com/2006TV.

CONTACT: Greg Belloni of Sony Electronics Inc., +1-858-942-4460, greg.belloni@am.sony.com; or Brendan Mullin of Burson-Marsteller, +1-212-614-4704, brendan_mullin@nyc.bm.com, for Sony Electronics Inc.
post #11659 of 23942
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Originally Posted by bertes View Post

Feel I have to share my unbounded enthusiasm for my new 60XBR1 and Oppo combination. Out of the box the picture is incredibly good, no great.

There is one problem with what I guess is overscan. When watching channels like CNN with the bottom scrolling bar, most of the bar is cut off. I have tried adjusting with user menu and nothing seems to improve the situation. Is there an easy fix or should I try a waranty claim?


Doesn't sound like an overscan problem. Sounds like you're trying to watch 4:3 content in a widescreen mode which will stretch the scroll right out of the picture. Try watching CNN in the native 4:3 format, and you should be able to see everything fine.
post #11660 of 23942
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Originally Posted by ravin View Post

Hello all, I have a 60SXRD with a 9200 Bell ExpressVu receiver hooked up with a HDMI cable. Question at times about once every two weeks or so while watching TV the picture turns solid green. Lasts anywhere from 2 seconds to 1 minute then it goes back to normal. Any ideas?

Ravin.

Others have had this problem with HDMI handshake. I've heard changing channels or inputs back and forth will fix it. Do a search on green screen and you might come up with some posts on it. I have Starchoice PVR 530 and use component as I couldn't notice any difference in PQ between DVI-HDMI and component, but DVI-HDMI "blinked" every few minutes. It's a known problem with the PVR 530 and SXRD.
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

I am on Adelphia cable and have scanned all the channels both with and without the cablecard that I use (several times). Although I pick up a couple of channels (none local), I have reached the conclusion that Adelphia intends for its subscribers to have to use either the box or the cablecard to tune the digital (including HD) channels. I do not suspect that my qam tuner is not functioning properly.

I have insight cable here in Lex, Ky and I have no problem receiving the local hd channels using a qam tuner on my other tv's, just the sxrd.
post #11662 of 23942
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Originally Posted by BCScott View Post

Others have had this problem with HDMI handshake. I've heard changing channels or inputs back and forth will fix it. Do a search on green screen and you might come up with some posts on it. I have Starchoice PVR 530 and use component as I couldn't notice any difference in PQ between DVI-HDMI and component, but DVI-HDMI "blinked" every few minutes. It's a known problem with the PVR 530 and SXRD.

Thanks BCSOTT
post #11663 of 23942
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Originally Posted by buckt4 View Post

Sony Delivers Full High Definition With Expanded Grand WEGA SXRD Microdisplay Line-Up

SXRD XBR Line


The new models are digital cable-ready with an integrated CableCARD(TM) slot and TV Guide(R) on screen program guide.

Channel guide... that's the only feature I miss on my current SXRD with cablecard. Oh well, thanks for posting the info.
post #11664 of 23942
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

I have read virtually every post about the SXRD since it was first announced. This is the first time I can recall that there has been any discussion of "grain" on the SXRD. There are some pretty picky people on this site and none of them until now seems to have a grain problem. Personally, I have no idea to what you could be referring. Even the analog SD picture is very good on very good cable.

I'm pretty sure our boy JJ here is talking about SSE (silk screen effect), also called scintillation or screen speckle. As has already been mentioned, this is present to varying degrees on all consumer-level bulb-based RPTVs.
post #11665 of 23942
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Originally Posted by gremmy View Post

I'm pretty sure our boy JJ here is talking about SSE (silk screen effect), also called scintillation or screen speckle. As has already been mentioned, this is present to varying degrees on all consumer-level bulb-based RPTVs.

It is, and while I personally have decided that the SXRD picture is the best in my price range, it is still an obvious effect. I am surprized that some people in this thread haven't noticed or are perplexed when others mention it. We are not talking about some obscure effect that only the pickiest people see IMO. SSE or 'screen grain' is even mentioned in almost every review of the SXRD that I have read as one of the only drawbacks of these sets (and all RPTV's one could argue) and I agree.

It may be that others here are used to RPTV's because I do find I am getting used to it now. But for those comparing plasma to the SXRD, I would be amazed if you didn't immediately notice it.
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Eh? I have only ever seen reference to SSE on these forums. Dr. Raymond Soneira (of the various HDTV 'shootout' fame) hadn't ever heard the term before he came here.

Once pointed out, I can spot it inside of 8 feet easily but from 9 to 10 feet I have to actively look for it and beyond that I can't find it at all except in very specific circumstances... I usually sit at 11-12 feet.
post #11667 of 23942
what Color Temperature do yall suggest. Warm Cool or Neutral?
post #11668 of 23942
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Originally Posted by UxiSXRD View Post

Eh? I have only ever seen reference to SSE on these forums. Dr. Raymond Soneira (of the various HDTV 'shootout' fame) hadn't ever heard the term before he came here.

Once pointed out, I can spot it inside of 8 feet easily but from 9 to 10 feet I have to actively look for it and beyond that I can't find it at all except in very specific circumstances... I usually sit at 11-12 feet.

I have had my SXRD for 5 months and I cannot spot the silk screen effect that a few people have described on this thread over that time. If I concentrate (to the best of my ability) on the screen rather than the picture and step real close, I see what MIGHT be SSE, but you couldn't prove it by me. I'm glad I don't see it, as I do see the faint green stain, but it just doesn't show up to my eyes. Everytime someone mentions it, I try to remember to look again, but I just can't seem to dredge this up as a problem about which I can fret. .......... I'll keep trying!
post #11669 of 23942
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Originally Posted by Q56_Monster View Post

If you're just looking to upconvert SD DVD's, then the new Toshiba HD DVD player is probably just as useful as any other upconverting DVD player out there, but at 2-4x's the price. I also suspect that the upconverter technology on the toshiba is also exactly the same as other current market upconverting DVD players. While we already know this new player is a great HDDVD player (albeit the only one), only time will tell if its a good upconverting DVD player.

I have the oppo and it is great paired with my 60" SXRD.

I'm guessing you haven't seen one.
Since my Oppo is getting fixed at the moment, I've been playing around with the Tosh HD DVD player. Preliminary watching seems to say the its a noticably better upscaling player than the Oppo, but I haven't done a head-to-head comparison. Pity its not region free.
J
post #11670 of 23942
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Originally Posted by John 61 View Post

Q56..... Thanks for the response, but no I would be using the Toshiba HD DVD player to enjoy HD DVD movies as well. Not just to up-convert SD DVD'S. My understanding was that the HD-A1 would only up-convert SD DVD'S if it were connected to the SXRD via the HDMI connector. From what I read from other posters said is that the two were not compatable and I would have to use the component inputs ??? How do you have your Oppo DVD player connected to your SXRD ( DVI to HDMI ) right ?? I guess it comes down to compatability, will the SXRD HDMI input except the HDMI output from the Toshiba HD-A1 and if so how do it look, PQ wise ??? Any SXRD experts out there that can help offer some advise ??

I'm using the Tosh HD DVD player with my SXRD, and there are NO compatability issues. I'm using the HDMI out, it doesn't upscale SD DVDs via componant. You haven't really seen what your set can do untill you've seen a good HD DVD hooked up to it (probably true for blu-ray too). Better than Cable HD. Better than OTA. The Serenity HD DVD is my new reference/demo for the set. Absolutely amazing.
J
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