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post #11701 of 23978
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

I have a inquiry for those of you SXRD owners who also happen to play video games. Page 82 of the SXRD manual states that: "Direct mode and Game Mode and not available when watching 480p and 720p sources..."

As I understand it, the SXRD has no noticeable video lag with the Xbox 360 because of the high quality 720p or 1080i signal the 360 outputs (which certainly doesn't require as much processing as 480i). For 480i signals, Sony has implemented a Game Mode which bypasses much of the time-intensive processing. This Game Mode addresses some of the older systems (PS2, GameCube, etc) though these systems can also sometimes output in 480p. The upcoming Nintendo Wii has a native output resolution of 480p.

Are any of you video gaming owners running any video game systems at 480p on an SXRD? Is there any video lag for precision games (dancing games, first person shooters, etc.)? My fear is that 480p is the worst case video game scenario for the SXRD. It requires the most intensive upscaling (as opposed to 720p and 1080i), and doesn't have any special Game Mode to bypass the processing for 480p.

I would appreciate any SXRD wisdom you folks could impart upon me.

I haven't noticed any lag whatsoever playing PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube games. I have all three hooked up through component (my GameCube is one of the originals with the digital out), and haven't had any need to try the game mode. Once my basement project is completed I want to try hooking up all the old systems (N64, Dreamcast, SNES, NES, etc.) to the SXRD and see what they look like.
post #11702 of 23978
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Originally Posted by kaw View Post

I haven't noticed any lag whatsoever playing PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube games. I have all three hooked up through component (my GameCube is one of the originals with the digital out), and haven't had any need to try the game mode. Once my basement project is completed I want to try hooking up all the old systems (N64, Dreamcast, SNES, NES, etc.) to the SXRD and see what they look like.

Thank you for the information. Do you know if you are running these systems in 480i or 480p (I believe only some games support 480p on some of these systems)?
post #11703 of 23978
Woowoo! My 60" SXRD finally came in! Until I get the callibration video (and subsequently get a professional over here), can someone point me to a list of user recommended video settings (brightness, iris, etc.)? I have the DVD player connected via HDMI for now, and the broadcast connected through component. Thanks!
post #11704 of 23978
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

Thank you for the information. Do you know if you are running these systems in 480i or 480p (I believe only some games support 480p on some of these systems)?

True, it depends on the game. I've played games in 480i/p, and I have a few games on Xbox that support 720p.

You did remind of something though -- when I play some games I get about 1" of black space on the left and right side of the picture. This has happened on Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube. I think all GC and PS2 games have it, but maybe only the 480p games on the Xbox? I set overscan +1 when that happens, but then I lose a little bit on the top and bottom of the picture. It's only a small annoyance really, and it hasn't really bothered me.
post #11705 of 23978
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Originally Posted by gvg45 View Post

So you ran your cable directly into your set not using ANY splitters and same problem?

Do you have this problem when connected via component (Video 4 or 5) too? If not, try running your HDMI cable from your DVR into the other HDMI input on your TV. Did you try the DVR reboot (hold dwn power until you see 'boot', wait until the time comes on, then power on?)

The channels you are getting when doing a scan (101.1 etc) is normal. Usually you can find Discovery HD, FOX HD and probably a few more. You can make it easier to find these channels by storing them on your 'favorite channels' list.

Yes - I rebooted, even took the box to TW and got a different box - same problem.

Yes - without splitters - Coax directly into 8300 - same problem.
Video 6, Video 7 - both HDMI - same problem.
Monster HDMI cable ($ 125) - same problem - returned it today.

Video 5 - component cables - is fine.

I could live with having to change channels when I get the black flashing, but today I was recording a program and changed HD channels while on Video 6 a couple of times - DVR rebooted.

I guess I'll have to use Video 5 for HD and figure out come other way to connect my DVD recorder.

Thanks for the info on Channels 101.0 etc. I'll see which ones I like and add to Favorites.
post #11706 of 23978
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

Thank you for the information. Do you know if you are running these systems in 480i or 480p (I believe only some games support 480p on some of these systems)?

My little contribution...running PS2 at 480i w/ "Game Mode" enabled, I get NO lag on timing based games like 'Dance Dance Revolution' or 'Guitar Hero'. Perfects all the way.
post #11707 of 23978
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Originally Posted by jjetson View Post

After spending some serious time scanning the posts here and reading every review I could find, I decided to purchase a 50" XBR from CC. So far, I have to say I'm still waiting to be impressed.

I'm trying not to rush judgement here, since the problem could be with my cable provider,Atlantic BroadBand. However, the HD picture is noticeably grainy. I'm using Monster Cable DVI to HDMI, so there should be little signal loss. I played with the settings (as did a previous poster) to no avail.

When I read the previous posts about grainy pictures, I thought this would be one of things that you only saw if you paid close attention. I was wrong. Please help me out with this: $3K for a TV with a grainy picture in HD? And the answer is "get used to it"?

I don't have a "grainy" picture with my SXRD. About all I can suggest is looking thru the owner's tweaks thread and trying some of the suggested settings: e.g., pro, warm, picture, brightness and hue at or near defaults, all of the various enhancements set to low or off, etc.

If these kinds of settings don't help, then my guess is your problem is the signal.

Good luck!
post #11708 of 23978
bhollis: I agree with you, my set was slightly grainy on a SD Feed, but looks fantastic after tweaking!!
post #11709 of 23978
When this thread first started there were quite a few problems involving the "smearing of colors" or blobs, etc. Without going back through some 300 pages have these problems cleared up or are they still an issue?

Hugh
post #11710 of 23978
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Originally Posted by JohnnytheSkin View Post

My little contribution...running PS2 at 480i w/ "Game Mode" enabled, I get NO lag on timing based games like 'Dance Dance Revolution' or 'Guitar Hero'. Perfects all the way.

Thank you for the information.

Just to reiterate to any other video gamers reading this thread, my main concern is for lag on 480p content (i.e. the lowest resolution that does NOT seem to have "Game Mode" support. My primary interest is ensuring that the upcoming Nintendo Wii (native 480p output) would have no noticeable lag with the SXRD. A good way to test this would be to run Halo2 on an original Xbox set to output at 480p, and try sniping in a local multi-player game. Another test would be to run DDR Ultramix on the original Xbox set to output at 480p, and see how many "Perfects" one can get compared to what he or she used to be able to get on an older TV.

Thank you all for your past and future comments.
post #11711 of 23978
Oh feck!! I just developed the blue tint, top left corner about a 4" x 6" patch. Seems like the green blob is slowly creeping up on me, sheeeeeesh!! Will wait a few more days then call CC since I bought the 4 year EW. Damn!! Anyone take any action on the blue tint thingy? Any results?

cheezz
post #11712 of 23978
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Originally Posted by john18 View Post

Someone else has asked a similar question, but part of the functionality of a DVR or HD/DVR is that you can record shows during times that the TV is off and then watch them when you choose to watch them. If it were me and there was indeed a correlation that led me to believe there was a problem as described that appeared on two different TV's, I would be having a serious discussion with the cable company about replacing the DVR until you got one that allowed you to use all the functionality that they promise.

with my dvr from comcast i can turn off the dvr with a show set to record later. the dvr will turn on then turn off after the show has finished. so turning the dvr off ( at least in my case.) is not an issue at all. i figured most dvrs had this feature.
post #11713 of 23978
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

I have a inquiry for those of you SXRD owners who also happen to play video games. Page 82 of the SXRD manual states that: "Direct mode and Game Mode and not available when watching 480p and 720p sources..."

As I understand it, the SXRD has no noticeable video lag with the Xbox 360 because of the high quality 720p or 1080i signal the 360 outputs (which certainly doesn't require as much processing as 480i). For 480i signals, Sony has implemented a Game Mode which bypasses much of the time-intensive processing. This Game Mode addresses some of the older systems (PS2, GameCube, etc) though these systems can also sometimes output in 480p. The upcoming Nintendo Wii has a native output resolution of 480p.

Are any of you video gaming owners running any video game systems at 480p on an SXRD? Is there any video lag for precision games (dancing games, first person shooters, etc.)? My fear is that 480p is the worst case video game scenario for the SXRD. It requires the most intensive upscaling (as opposed to 720p and 1080i), and doesn't have any special Game Mode to bypass the processing for 480p.

I would appreciate any SXRD wisdom you folks could impart upon me.

my sxrd has lag with the 360. i have to use game mode. playing baseball on the 360 was impossiable and frustrating until i used game mode.
post #11714 of 23978
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Originally Posted by bboncorr1 View Post

my sxrd has lag with the 360. i have to use game mode. playing baseball on the 360 was impossiable and frustrating until i used game mode.

As I mentioned in to previous post, Page 82 of the SXRD manual states that: "Direct mode and Game Mode and not available when watching 480p and 720p sources..." Maybe I'm misreading the manual.

What resolution were you running the game at (720P or something else)? Are you saying that Game Mode can be enabled for 720P? Can Game Mode be enabled for all of the following resolutions:

- 480p
- 720p
- 1080i
post #11715 of 23978
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Originally Posted by jjetson View Post

After spending some serious time scanning the posts here and reading every review I could find, I decided to purchase a 50" XBR from CC. So far, I have to say I'm still waiting to be impressed.

I'm trying not to rush judgement here, since the problem could be with my cable provider,Atlantic BroadBand. However, the HD picture is noticeably grainy. I'm using Monster Cable DVI to HDMI, so there should be little signal loss. I played with the settings (as did a previous poster) to no avail.

When I read the previous posts about grainy pictures, I thought this would be one of things that you only saw if you paid close attention. I was wrong. Please help me out with this: $3K for a TV with a grainy picture in HD? And the answer is "get used to it"?

Subject: SXRD sets are clean--they do not have grainy noise.

The SXRD sets have no inherent grainy noise. Your signal has to be the source of the noise you are seeing.
One other point: The HDMI and DVI/converted signals are digital -not analog - and the signal strength will not effect noise--it will only impact blocking or loss of the entire picture.

Look at your Cable HD sources to be the problem.

KT
post #11716 of 23978
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Originally Posted by bleedblue63 View Post

As posted on the previous page, the new SXRD models are on the Sony Style and CNet websites with pictures. As I posted about a month ago the speakers on the XBR2 60 have in fact been pulled in but are still the same. The 70 comes with removable speakers. The entry level (Non XBR) models 50 and 55 have speakers on the bottom. Two HDMI 1080P inputs on the back and an HDMI in front.

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ro...ase/22354.html

ADDED comment on newest 50 inch SXRD

The new 50 inch SXRD has omitted the Memory card slot and slide viewer. This is a I think a serious omission for those of us who want to view our digital photos on these sets.

KT
post #11717 of 23978
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Originally Posted by jjetson View Post

After spending some serious time scanning the posts here and reading every review I could find, I decided to purchase a 50" XBR from CC. So far, I have to say I'm still waiting to be impressed.

I'm trying not to rush judgement here, since the problem could be with my cable provider,Atlantic BroadBand. However, the HD picture is noticeably grainy. I'm using Monster Cable DVI to HDMI, so there should be little signal loss. I played with the settings (as did a previous poster) to no avail.

When I read the previous posts about grainy pictures, I thought this would be one of things that you only saw if you paid close attention. I was wrong. Please help me out with this: $3K for a TV with a grainy picture in HD? And the answer is "get used to it"?

I would strongly suspect the signal to be the culprit. There is just too much variability among signals/broadcasts to automatically assume it's the set. After watching my 50" for several months, it seems like there are just as many poor broadcasts as there are great ones. But those great ones are unbelievable!
post #11718 of 23978
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

ADDED comment on newest 50 inch SXRD

The new 50 inch SXRD has omitted the Memory card slot and slide viewer. This is a I think a serious omission for those of us who want to view our digital photos on these sets.

KT

As I read it, only the XBR2 line will have a Memory Card slot. I, too, would miss that feature.
post #11719 of 23978
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

As I mentioned in to previous post, Page 82 of the SXRD manual states that: "Direct mode and Game Mode and not available when watching 480p and 720p sources..." Maybe I'm misreading the manual.

What resolution were you running the game at (720P or something else)? Are you saying that Game Mode can be enabled for 720P? Can Game Mode be enabled for all of the following resolutions:

- 480p
- 720p
- 1080i

FYI... I created a new thread to talk about Game Modes on the SXRD and HL-S.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=684899
post #11720 of 23978
I just looked at the new SXRD's. I don't like them. It looks just like Sony's other big screen tv's. I'm glad I got this one. I'm one of the few that liked the look of the speakers on the sides. I don't use them, but do like 'em.
post #11721 of 23978
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Originally Posted by rlogle View Post

I just looked at the new SXRD's. I don't like them. It looks just like Sony's other big screen tv's. I'm glad I got this one. I'm one of the few that liked the look of the speakers on the sides. I don't use them, but do like 'em.

Your not alone in liking the looks of the SXRD...I like mine alot too...even though the speakers don't really sound the greatest..
post #11722 of 23978
Do the XBR2s have iLink/Firewire???
post #11723 of 23978
I read the manual but can't seem to fix this problem on my new set. I have my 60" SXRD connected to Charter's Digital HD box via component cables for TV viewing. At first some of my stations displayed in 4:3 mode, grey bars on the sides. Now every station auto converts to a full screen mode that causes text on-screen to be cutoff the sides.

I know about the "wide" button and the three settings it offers for 1080i output ("Normal" mode is greyed out so I keep it at Full). How do I make it show a 4:3 perspective again?
post #11724 of 23978
Final sxrd update: They finally took my sxrd away on refund.The store that I bought it from not sony.Sony warranty was absolutely useless. The gave me one new light engine replacement and one old build as replacement set. All three sxrd if you count the light engine as a set were fubar. Green blob/cloud/halo and some had pinks and purples and things as well.
So three strikes and your out. I got lucky and talked district manager into a refund.Pure luck they don't have to give one my set was brought in marked final sale.
I will not be buying anymore rear projection sets. They just dont' do it like a direct view.
I also may not buy a tv right now ,think just move my old sony crt 37 downstairs again where the sxrd was. Its a shame as have 360,hd sat and lots of dvds but just couldn't get a non lemon sxrd. And for what it cost just couldn't live with it.The last set a november build was fairly mild with the green cloud but still visible on games especially after several hours. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!
Sony warranty was garbage they basically told me too bad so sad when they gave me the latest november build a month or so ago.They promised a new build for me and waited months thinking was going to get a april or may.
I am thinking plasma,lcd non projection or mabye sed or some new tech. But not into paying huge bucks again and am spoiled now do want a 55 or 60 minimum if get a big set.
Another option is maybe a 37 inch lcd most likely and move that upstairs and get a new big set in basement .Basement is where big stereo and most of the game systems are.

Sony will really have to kiss my a@@ to get me to buy another one of their high end products.Sony has gone down huge in my eyes after my tv problem. Fortunately most of my other sony products are working pretty good.

I had extended non sony warranty but it was also useless and didn't kick in until sony one ended.
post #11725 of 23978
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Originally Posted by AL B. View Post

Final sxrd update: They finally took my sxrd away on refund.The store that I bought it from not sony.Sony warranty was absolutely useless. The gave me one new light engine replacement and one old build as replacement set. All three sxrd if you count the light engine as a set were fubar. Green blob/cloud/halo and some had pinks and purples and things as well.
So three strikes and your out. I got lucky and talked district manager into a refund.Pure luck they don't have to give one my set was brought in marked final sale.
I will not be buying anymore rear projection sets. They just dont' do it like a direct view.
I also may not buy a tv right now ,think just move my old sony crt 37 downstairs again where the sxrd was. Its a shame as have 360,hd sat and lots of dvds but just couldn't get a non lemon sxrd. And for what it cost just couldn't live with it.The last set a november build was fairly mild with the green cloud but still visible on games especially after several hours. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!
Sony warranty was garbage they basically told me too bad so sad when they gave me the latest november build a month or so ago.They promised a new build for me and waited months thinking was going to get a april or may.
I am thinking plasma,lcd non projection or mabye sed or some new tech. But not into paying huge bucks again and am spoiled now do want a 55 or 60 minimum if get a big set.
Another option is maybe a 37 inch lcd most likely and move that upstairs and get a new big set in basement .Basement is where big stereo and most of the game systems are.

Sony will really have to kiss my a@@ to get me to buy another one of their high end products.Sony has gone down huge in my eyes after my tv problem. Fortunately most of my other sony products are working pretty good.

I had extended non sony warranty but it was also useless and didn't kick in until sony one ended.


Sorry your problems couldn't be resolved. I have the 60" SXRD and have no uniformity issues (green blob) after warm up. The green is there and then gone after 2 mins. I now have gone to the dark side and watch this TV in pro mode, and even in that mode there are no issues (even with hockey games on HDNET).

You might want to try the sammy 5053 (50") if you're looking at plasmas. My business partner just picked one up and can't stop talking about it. I've sen it in stores and it is really much better, IMO, than the panny plasmas. I know you wanted to go 55"+, but maybe the PQ of the sammy will change your mind. There might be something new out there, but from what I know about plasmas, you will be looking at 50" and 65", not 60"s. And the 65" plasmas will much more expensive than the 60" SXRD.

Good luck in your search for perfection.
post #11726 of 23978
I like the 55 hitachi quite a bit. But unsure want to go plasma we are heavy gamers in my house and kids are fairly young and it might get burn in and they dont' warranty permanent burn in.
I wish my sxrd green did go away in two minutes.Try two hours or longer it was still there and noticeable on some material ,especially games like my 360 COD2 with lots of gray and smoke.
I liked the set quite a bit but it always had a bit too much SSE..silk screen effect for me.
I am more a direct view guy. I am not looking for perfection but expect when pay what the sxrd cost that it would not be permanently green after brief warm up.I don't think that was too much to ask.Glad you got a good one. Never seen a good one.
post #11727 of 23978
There's the new Pio 6070 debuts in July/August for a price slightly more than a 60SXRD. See Cleveland Plasma a forum sponsor for a quote - you'll be shocked. The specs are terrific and it looks awesome as your getting the Elite panel technology built into brand new Pio glass that'll match the 5070/71 (no more outdated NEC glass).

Check it out over in the PDP threads I have PDF specs posted there. as it will have the Direct View look you prefer only far better than any direct view set.
post #11728 of 23978
1080i. my 360 just doesnt look as good when useing 720p.
post #11729 of 23978
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

I read the manual but can't seem to fix this problem on my new set. I have my 60" SXRD connected to Charter's Digital HD box via component cables for TV viewing. At first some of my stations displayed in 4:3 mode, grey bars on the sides. Now every station auto converts to a full screen mode that causes text on-screen to be cutoff the sides.

I know about the "wide" button and the three settings it offers for 1080i output ("Normal" mode is greyed out so I keep it at Full). How do I make it show a 4:3 perspective again?

Normal is what you need. If it's greyed out, it sounds like the cable box is sending the signal this way, and the TV is powerless to remedy it. Check your cable box settings.
post #11730 of 23978
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Originally Posted by Mac11700 View Post

Your not alone in liking the looks of the SXRD...I like mine alot too...even though the speakers don't really sound the greatest..

I disagree about the sound. As far as TV speakers go, I think they're very good. Certainly the best I've ever heard. I know that's not saying much, but in the absence of a separate HT system, I find the onboard sound to be quite satisfactory.

Those of us around here often scoff at the idea of people using the internal speakers, but that's a rather closed-minded attitude. Just because you and I think sound is a critical part of the viewing experience, that doesn't mean everyone else has to. Very few of my friends even have HT systems, and Lord knows my folks and my inlaws don't. Does this mean they aren't worthy of spending a few thousand dollars on a TV?
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