Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread - Page 391

Originally Posted by AVBill

I have a inquiry for those of you SXRD owners who also happen to play video games. Page 82 of the SXRD manual states that: "Direct mode and Game Mode and not available when watching 480p and 720p sources..."

As I understand it, the SXRD has no noticeable video lag with the Xbox 360 because of the high quality 720p or 1080i signal the 360 outputs (which certainly doesn't require as much processing as 480i). For 480i signals, Sony has implemented a Game Mode which bypasses much of the time-intensive processing. This Game Mode addresses some of the older systems (PS2, GameCube, etc) though these systems can also sometimes output in 480p. The upcoming Nintendo Wii has a native output resolution of 480p.

Are any of you video gaming owners running any video game systems at 480p on an SXRD? Is there any video lag for precision games (dancing games, first person shooters, etc.)? My fear is that 480p is the worst case video game scenario for the SXRD. It requires the most intensive upscaling (as opposed to 720p and 1080i), and doesn't have any special Game Mode to bypass the processing for 480p.

I would appreciate any SXRD wisdom you folks could impart upon me.

Originally Posted by kaw

I haven't noticed any lag whatsoever playing PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube games. I have all three hooked up through component (my GameCube is one of the originals with the digital out), and haven't had any need to try the game mode. Once my basement project is completed I want to try hooking up all the old systems (N64, Dreamcast, SNES, NES, etc.) to the SXRD and see what they look like.

Originally Posted by AVBill

Thank you for the information. Do you know if you are running these systems in 480i or 480p (I believe only some games support 480p on some of these systems)?

Originally Posted by gvg45

So you ran your cable directly into your set not using ANY splitters and same problem?

Do you have this problem when connected via component (Video 4 or 5) too? If not, try running your HDMI cable from your DVR into the other HDMI input on your TV. Did you try the DVR reboot (hold dwn power until you see 'boot', wait until the time comes on, then power on?)

The channels you are getting when doing a scan (101.1 etc) is normal. Usually you can find Discovery HD, FOX HD and probably a few more. You can make it easier to find these channels by storing them on your 'favorite channels' list.

Originally Posted by AVBill

Thank you for the information. Do you know if you are running these systems in 480i or 480p (I believe only some games support 480p on some of these systems)?

Originally Posted by jjetson

After spending some serious time scanning the posts here and reading every review I could find, I decided to purchase a 50" XBR from CC. So far, I have to say I'm still waiting to be impressed.

I'm trying not to rush judgement here, since the problem could be with my cable provider,Atlantic BroadBand. However, the HD picture is noticeably grainy. I'm using Monster Cable DVI to HDMI, so there should be little signal loss. I played with the settings (as did a previous poster) to no avail.

When I read the previous posts about grainy pictures, I thought this would be one of things that you only saw if you paid close attention. I was wrong. Please help me out with this: $3K for a TV with a grainy picture in HD? And the answer is "get used to it"?

Originally Posted by JohnnytheSkin

My little contribution...running PS2 at 480i w/ "Game Mode" enabled, I get NO lag on timing based games like 'Dance Dance Revolution' or 'Guitar Hero'. Perfects all the way.

Originally Posted by john18

Someone else has asked a similar question, but part of the functionality of a DVR or HD/DVR is that you can record shows during times that the TV is off and then watch them when you choose to watch them. If it were me and there was indeed a correlation that led me to believe there was a problem as described that appeared on two different TV's, I would be having a serious discussion with the cable company about replacing the DVR until you got one that allowed you to use all the functionality that they promise.

Originally Posted by AVBill

I have a inquiry for those of you SXRD owners who also happen to play video games. Page 82 of the SXRD manual states that: "Direct mode and Game Mode and not available when watching 480p and 720p sources..."

As I understand it, the SXRD has no noticeable video lag with the Xbox 360 because of the high quality 720p or 1080i signal the 360 outputs (which certainly doesn't require as much processing as 480i). For 480i signals, Sony has implemented a Game Mode which bypasses much of the time-intensive processing. This Game Mode addresses some of the older systems (PS2, GameCube, etc) though these systems can also sometimes output in 480p. The upcoming Nintendo Wii has a native output resolution of 480p.

Are any of you video gaming owners running any video game systems at 480p on an SXRD? Is there any video lag for precision games (dancing games, first person shooters, etc.)? My fear is that 480p is the worst case video game scenario for the SXRD. It requires the most intensive upscaling (as opposed to 720p and 1080i), and doesn't have any special Game Mode to bypass the processing for 480p.

I would appreciate any SXRD wisdom you folks could impart upon me.

Originally Posted by bboncorr1

my sxrd has lag with the 360. i have to use game mode. playing baseball on the 360 was impossiable and frustrating until i used game mode.

Originally Posted by jjetson

After spending some serious time scanning the posts here and reading every review I could find, I decided to purchase a 50" XBR from CC. So far, I have to say I'm still waiting to be impressed.

I'm trying not to rush judgement here, since the problem could be with my cable provider,Atlantic BroadBand. However, the HD picture is noticeably grainy. I'm using Monster Cable DVI to HDMI, so there should be little signal loss. I played with the settings (as did a previous poster) to no avail.

When I read the previous posts about grainy pictures, I thought this would be one of things that you only saw if you paid close attention. I was wrong. Please help me out with this: $3K for a TV with a grainy picture in HD? And the answer is "get used to it"?

Originally Posted by bleedblue63

As posted on the previous page, the new SXRD models are on the Sony Style and CNet websites with pictures. As I posted about a month ago the speakers on the XBR2 60 have in fact been pulled in but are still the same. The 70 comes with removable speakers. The entry level (Non XBR) models 50 and 55 have speakers on the bottom. Two HDMI 1080P inputs on the back and an HDMI in front.

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ro...ase/22354.html

Originally Posted by jjetson

After spending some serious time scanning the posts here and reading every review I could find, I decided to purchase a 50" XBR from CC. So far, I have to say I'm still waiting to be impressed.

I'm trying not to rush judgement here, since the problem could be with my cable provider,Atlantic BroadBand. However, the HD picture is noticeably grainy. I'm using Monster Cable DVI to HDMI, so there should be little signal loss. I played with the settings (as did a previous poster) to no avail.

When I read the previous posts about grainy pictures, I thought this would be one of things that you only saw if you paid close attention. I was wrong. Please help me out with this: $3K for a TV with a grainy picture in HD? And the answer is "get used to it"?

Originally Posted by KTTV Images

ADDED comment on newest 50 inch SXRD

The new 50 inch SXRD has omitted the Memory card slot and slide viewer. This is a I think a serious omission for those of us who want to view our digital photos on these sets.

KT

Originally Posted by AVBill

As I mentioned in to previous post, Page 82 of the SXRD manual states that: "Direct mode and Game Mode and not available when watching 480p and 720p sources..." Maybe I'm misreading the manual.

What resolution were you running the game at (720P or something else)? Are you saying that Game Mode can be enabled for 720P? Can Game Mode be enabled for all of the following resolutions:

- 480p
- 720p
- 1080i

Originally Posted by rlogle

I just looked at the new SXRD's. I don't like them. It looks just like Sony's other big screen tv's. I'm glad I got this one. I'm one of the few that liked the look of the speakers on the sides. I don't use them, but do like 'em.

Originally Posted by AL B.

Final sxrd update: They finally took my sxrd away on refund.The store that I bought it from not sony.Sony warranty was absolutely useless. The gave me one new light engine replacement and one old build as replacement set. All three sxrd if you count the light engine as a set were fubar. Green blob/cloud/halo and some had pinks and purples and things as well.
So three strikes and your out. I got lucky and talked district manager into a refund.Pure luck they don't have to give one my set was brought in marked final sale.
I will not be buying anymore rear projection sets. They just dont' do it like a direct view.
I also may not buy a tv right now ,think just move my old sony crt 37 downstairs again where the sxrd was. Its a shame as have 360,hd sat and lots of dvds but just couldn't get a non lemon sxrd. And for what it cost just couldn't live with it.The last set a november build was fairly mild with the green cloud but still visible on games especially after several hours. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!
Sony warranty was garbage they basically told me too bad so sad when they gave me the latest november build a month or so ago.They promised a new build for me and waited months thinking was going to get a april or may.
I am thinking plasma,lcd non projection or mabye sed or some new tech. But not into paying huge bucks again and am spoiled now do want a 55 or 60 minimum if get a big set.
Another option is maybe a 37 inch lcd most likely and move that upstairs and get a new big set in basement .Basement is where big stereo and most of the game systems are.

Sony will really have to kiss my a@@ to get me to buy another one of their high end products.Sony has gone down huge in my eyes after my tv problem. Fortunately most of my other sony products are working pretty good.

I had extended non sony warranty but it was also useless and didn't kick in until sony one ended.

Originally Posted by joeblow

I read the manual but can't seem to fix this problem on my new set. I have my 60" SXRD connected to Charter's Digital HD box via component cables for TV viewing. At first some of my stations displayed in 4:3 mode, grey bars on the sides. Now every station auto converts to a full screen mode that causes text on-screen to be cutoff the sides.

I know about the "wide" button and the three settings it offers for 1080i output ("Normal" mode is greyed out so I keep it at Full). How do I make it show a 4:3 perspective again?