Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread - Page 53

Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

I love the set and want to marry it. (Fortunately, so does my wife. ) This discussion is inspired purely by academic interest in the display mechanism, not by any quixotic attempt to nitpick.

Originally Posted by overcast

If Circuit City is carrying Dynaudio , I'll eat my shorts I would suggest if you have anything outside of a cheesy cube for your center channel, to not put it on top of your TV. That is just asking for something to happen.

Originally Posted by drhill

Now that I've had a few days with mine I am quite happy with my purchase. The set setup at my tweeter did look very bad though. They must have had every "enhancement" turned on as there was a ton of motion smear and it was soft. I don't think I could get my set to do that if I wanted to. It is very sharp and has no motion problems.

It blows away my old 47" Panasonic CRT RPTV in every way. Black levels and shadow detail aren't even close.

The VGA port was very dissappointing though. I played around with it and power strip for about 1-2 hours and the high resolution that filled top to bottom, was only 1280x1024 but with huge bars on the side. Any higher and the screen shrank from there. 720p was very small too ( about or less real screen space as my old 47"). No amount over overscanning would fill the screen.

I tried dvi to hdmi with my pc and it looked wonderful, once I switched from vivid (yuck) to pro. 1080i had overscan, 1000i had some underscan but my computer was a bit laggy at that res. I had just reformatted and reinstalled my pc so I have not got it completely back up yet. I used to play at 1744x988i on my old crt. 720p looked great, though there was some overscan. I tried Doom 3 and it looked superb, blowing away my old tv. I need to get a 20-25' dvi cable as the 10' one I used to test with isn't long enough.

Right now I'm hooked up to my sa 8000hd via component via component since the dvi-hdmi hookup was very... cagey (though it did look much better when it worked). I have to try to swap out my box for an 8300hd from comcast this week.

Has anyone gotten rid of the red push yet? I setup my tv using umr's qualia observation and someone else sxrd recommendation as a starting point, but in warm this set has a noticable red push.

Also could someone explain to me how the drc palette needs to be setup? I saw one explanation but it didn't help me at all. What is the proper setting for the advanced iris option too?

Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic

I know what you mean, but the 60" with the speakers would really take up my whole wall and would probably look overwhelming.

Originally Posted by maximum360

What grafx card are you using?

Originally Posted by AkaStp

There is a thread about fixing red push in the A10s using a setting the service menu. Have you seen it? Its possible it might work for the SXRDs if they have a similar SM as the A10s.

Originally Posted by Gary_Kreie

I got my KDS-R60XBR1 yesterday, and of course the picture is great. Today, I tried a few other features. I hooked up my Sony Digital Camcorder using the I.Link connection. The video looked good, and I can control my camcorder using the KDS remote to play, pause, rewind, etc. -- all through the i.link connector.

Then I tried the memory stick picture viewer. Pretty cool. It shows your pictures in thumbnail form and then lets you start a slideshow. One of the options for the slideshow is background piano music -- already built into the TV. Several options for picture transitions are built-in, besides fade.

When the slideshow gets to an mpeg movie, it fades out the piano and plays the mpeg with sound, then it resumes the still photos and fades the piano back in again. Well thought out.

The twin-view works well, although I with they would have let you step through channels on the muted image while the unmuted image is frozen. It appears that only the picture with the sound on can step through channels.

Monday I get the cablecard installed, so this weekend has been 480i only.

Originally Posted by djwilso

Hey Dixie, sounds like a perfect opportunity for that threesome you've always wanted to try.

Just kidding!

Dennis

Originally Posted by john19

I was just at BB and saw the 60 sony xbr it looks very nice. With that said I dont think it is worth the money for the same price there was a 72 toshiba that had the same if not better picture. They were both playing the hd playoff game between astros and cardinals. Dont get me wrong the picture looked great but it should have a more competitive price with tvs the same size as it. By the way I have a sony crt so dont think I am bias.

Originally Posted by HomeGuy

I have the SXRD and it's easy to get a soft picture with the wrong settings. Tonight I experimented and found settings that give me a razor sharp picture.

Originally Posted by Desert Heat

XB1032,

I will try to answer your question as best i can. First off, I owned a Panasonic LCD 60' screen for about 4 months. At first I hated the panny because the blacks were sooooo washed out looking, it was unwatchable. After installing a ND filter to this set along with a good calibration, It was good enough to watch again, but still not perfect. After another member here suggested I consider the new Sony LCOS display for better black performance I did some research and then after seeing it in person I immediatly took back the Panny set and ordered the SXRD. I have since received the SXRD and all i can tell you is WOW!!! What an improvment. Blacks are black black and PQ is signifigantly better than the Panny. Overall this display is very CRT like and with a good HD feed the screen literally looks like a window that you could step through. All this and i have yet to change one setting, this is straight out of the box so imagine how much better with a little tweaking!!!
If you are still on the fence on these..... I know these sets are expensive but after you experience the awesome PQ and how deep the blacks are you won't be dissapointed.

Originally Posted by manktank

I may need to tweak my settings properly ( im hoping someone posts a good calibration setup for a totally dark room ). but my blacks are pretty black, but still don't disappear into the blackness of the room if you know what I mean, I can still tell where the edge of the screen is even if there is something that should be totally black displayed there. its very very very slight, and if anything blue (i turned down the blue bias in the white balance settings in pro, neutral color mode) but I don't know if its just screen gain or what.

Originally Posted by Curt Anderson

I've had the 60'' for about 5 days, and It's incredible. But the SSE is really aggravating me. The set is like the second coming 90% of the time. But whenever a very bright scene, a flash of white, or a very white shirt comes. I see the SSE. And it just bothers the hell out of me. When I see this its just like the screen has very tiny specs of dust/dirt everywhere. And I'm sure it's not the feed but the screen because when I move my head I can see them shift.

Am I being too much of a stickler? Is my eyesight too damn good? (20/15) Or is it possible *gasp* that I might have a defective set?

Also is there anything I can do to minimize this SSE? Or perhaps somesort of a class or seminar that would teach me to cope and deal with it?

I'm going to go to the local good guys and see if their set is the same way... Is SSE bothering you guys?

Originally Posted by hstahl

So I got my 50" on Saturday and so far I'm loving it. HD is just insane on it and good DVD's via my Denon 1920 look near HD quality.

However, I do have a concern that I haven't seen anybody else mention yet. When an all black screen is up (either on an input with no feed or say a transition feed on DVD) or even a mostly black screen such as a black background with a title in the middle I see a difference in the blacks across the screen. In other words, it isn't a uniform black when it should be. I'll try to describe it and if possible get pictures of it tonight although I doubt I can really get any decent pictures of it b/c I'd be trying to capture a pretty much fully black screen.

What I'm seeing is that in the lower left corner and upper right corner the black is darker then anywhere else. They are kinda like a darker black "blob" that is maybe 1/5 or 1/6 of the screen size. It isn't a *huge* difference but it IS noticeable. Now soon as a there is an image there I can't notice a difference in the color. I tried throwing up some of test patterns from Avia such as the mostly all grey background and didn't notice any real difference in the color. Also when watching a 2.35 source with the narrow black bars it either isn't there or isn't really noticeable.

Has anybody else seen this on their sets? Is it just something to do with the design and I shouldn't worry about it? Or could I possibly have a defective set? I have adjusted the settings according to what some other folks have found to be good - but I haven't done a full run through Avia myself yet. Also, I thought at first maybe it was just an issue with viewing off the "ideal" angle. But if you look straight at it the "blobs" are still there - so I don't think that's the problem.

Originally Posted by Curt Anderson

I've had the 60'' for about 5 days, and It's incredible. But the SSE is really aggravating me. The set is like the second coming 90% of the time. But whenever a very bright scene, a flash of white, or a very white shirt comes. I see the SSE. And it just bothers the hell out of me. When I see this its just like the screen has very tiny specs of dust/dirt everywhere. And I'm sure it's not the feed but the screen because when I move my head I can see them shift.

Am I being too much of a stickler? Is my eyesight too damn good? (20/15) Or is it possible *gasp* that I might have a defective set?

Also is there anything I can do to minimize this SSE? Or perhaps somesort of a class or seminar that would teach me to cope and deal with it?

I'm going to go to the local good guys and see if their set is the same way... Is SSE bothering you guys?

Originally Posted by JimP

Curt,

One of the other posters mentioned that after calibration , SSE was virtually non existant.

Have you calibrated your set? Also needs mentioning that you should calibrate your set in the same lighting that you normally view your set in.

Originally Posted by jkv4

What is your Brightness set at? At first I had mine from 25-31 but I noticed the whites would bloom sometimes and I would also notice the SSE on sky backgrounds but it was not bad. I have since lowered the brightness to 15 and I no longer get blooming whites and I have no SSE. These sets are super bright! For the ESPN sunday night game I turned my brightness to MIN and the SXRD looked like a big CRT tube. Brightness setting with the SXRD is a enemy. I also watched Alien vs Preadator on HBOHD and with the brightness setting at 15 I lost no shadow detail and the picture was great.

Originally Posted by jdanon

Those that are sitting on the fence thinking about waiting "til next year" might not be so lucky. What makes you so sure they're gonna do anything to change the SXRD?

Originally Posted by Curt Anderson

My brightness is pretty high, around the sony notch. I'll see if the brightness setting decreases my SSE, i'll start with 15.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Bombthroat

Alright, here are all the different resolutions I tested on the VGA port. These were all tested at 60Hz.

640 x 480 - Did not work at all
720 x 480 - Did work but reported as "Out of Range"
848 x 480 - Did not work at all
800 x 600 - Worked
1024 x 768 - Worked
1152 x 864 - Did not work, reported as "Out of Range"
1280 x 720 - Worked
1280 x 768 - Worked
1280 x 960 - Worked
1280 x 1024 - Worked
1360 x 768 - Worked - Filled most of the screen and appeared to be the best available resolution.
1360 x 1024 - Worked
1600 x 1200 - Did not fit properly on screen
1792 x 1344 - Did not fit properly on screen
1800 x 1440 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1080i - Came up but looked like total crap and reported as "Out of Range"
1920 x 1080p - Came up but looked like total crap and reported as "Out of Range"
1896 x 1392 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1200 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1440 - Did not fit properly on screen
2048 x 1536 - Did not fit properly on screen

These are all the resolutions I was able to test and their results. I was not able to test hooking the PC up to the HDMI port because I do not have a DVI to HDMI cable at this time.

I did test 1360 x 768 at 85Hz and it worked an looked beautiful. The only difference between the 60Hz and 85Hz settings was that the 60Hz setting filled much more of the screen space. So from that standpoint, I felt it looked better at 60Hz (more screen real estate).

Just to be clear, NONE of the resolutions tested were able to fill the screen in it's entirety.

My system was using an ATi video card with the latest Catalyst drivers (5.9).

I hope this helps someone who is on the fence and answers the questions outright for others.