Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread - Page 63

There is no red push on these TV's that can't be "adjusted out" by reducing color a little. However, Widescreen Review mentioned the saturated greens and the fact that their colorimetry showed the greens were off. I sometimes see the bright/flourescent greens because unfortunately "I now look for them". Unless I'm mistaken, there is no way to "adjust the color of the green primary". Does anyone have an answer or comments?

I used SpyderTV to adjust my grayscale closer to D65, using the Warm preset. I won't post any bias/gain settings in the owner's settings thread until I break the bulb in a little more and get a second sensor for corroboration. But you can in the Pro mode white balance area adjust the gains and bias with a grayscale image yourself to fine-tune the image by eye (though not very accurate). And you don't need the SM code and if you screw up, you can just reset it. No harm, no foul.

I am using Rogers Cable, I have the SA8300HD setup using the HDMI to the TV and I have the DVD player hooked up using component cables. The cable looked great on the DLP without any noticeable noise from 10 feet but now on the SXRD I can see it all over the screen from that distance.

The only channel that looks good is the HD Demo Channel, all of the other HD has alot of artifacts and digital noise in the picture. Could there be something wrong with my set? Should I have it replaced for e new SXRD set? I have my sharpness all the way down to 5 and the DRC is on cinemotion with reality at 1 and clarity at 1.

I also tried using some of the settings from the AVS thread and they all looked bad.

Thanks for the help...

Have had the 60" for a few days and it is a definite improvement over my umr tweaked GWIII it replaces, although imo it doesn't "blow it away". Haven't gotten a chance to watch much HD yet. Batman Begins DVD looked great. I like the deeper blacks, but I think there is a bit of black crush which I haven't been able to reduce to my satisfaction yet. Still trying to decide between warm and neutral, faces look better with warm, but whites seem too reddish.

Could someone please give me the demension from the center of the screen to the bottom of the stand on a 50'' SXRD.

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My question is...where did you get that rug? I have a similar setup with hardwood floors but your rug looks prettier than mine..lol.

I also use the HD-Tivo and have noticed some lip sync problems at times while using the component input. This occurs most often on Discovery HD but has also occurred on my local CBS HD channel. I know the optical out to my Sony ES777 isn't the problem because I switched to the RCA outputs to the TV and got the same results. I figured it was either the HD-Tivo or DirecTV having problems.

Next time I experience this I will try switching to 720p to see if it fixes the problem.
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What are you using for the center channel in this picture?

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If your SXRD TV has alot of digital artifacts and {or} noise on the screen just type "yes" if it does while watching hd or "NO" if it doesn't while watching HD.

Please and Thank you this survey will help me decide if my set is faulty or if it is something else.

I picked up my 50" SXRD from PC Richards today and the set is very impressive looking right out of the box. I didn't think I'd like the side speakers but the whole tv looks great in person.

I can't wait to get everything hooked up and order HD cable from Cablevision.

How does the KDS-R60XBR1 compare to the Mitsubishi DLP 1080p WD-73927? I understand the Mitsu WD-73927 has a problem with 4:3 material:

"...if you are planning to watch 4x3 SD material and don't like any of those foolish distorted 'stretch' modes, the only mode that doesn't stretch is 'narrow'. BUT , be warned, the sides of the image are cut of to a total of 2 1/2" on a 52" set making it a 3.5x3 display."

Does the Sony R60XBR1 have this limitation with 4:3 material? What other differences besides DLP color wheel are there between the two sets.

Thanks in advance.

It's not like I took out a tape measure to verify it, but it appears that the Sony displays a proper 4:3 image when in "Normal" mode. As others have pointed out, the image is shifted slightly to one side (can't remember which), but the aspect ratio is correct.

I'm getting closer to joining the club, but I would like to see current club members reporting back more often after having had their sets for 2 or 3 weeks. I guess they have found something else to do with their time rather than read and post to the forum. There is a question that I would like to ask them, however, and it is buried in the following.

The other day, my wife and I made a trip to the Portland, ME mall and I was allotted an hour for breezing through Best Buy and Circuit City in search of the Holy Grail otherwise known as the Sony SXRD.

As I scouted through BB, I finally saw off in the distance a monster with ears and rushed up to make a first assessment. My first thought was, "Oh no, this picture isn't 'special' at all." Sure enough, the sign under it said SXRD.

Still, I couldn't accept that this was the object of all the talk on the Board and I got down on my hands and knees to look for clues. Soon enough, I found a stick-on tag that said XS955 and what a relief it was. Whew!

Off to the side of the SXRD sign was another sign for the XS955. A discussion with the clerk established that the SXRD was being held in storage until the last XS955 was sold. The SXRD sign was just to let people know that it existed if they wanted it.

Then, there was just time for a mad dash to Circuit City. As I walked through all the displays, I noticed that the better looking sets along the way said Toshiba, but I didn't really stop to look.

As I was about ready to give up hope, I spotted it. A nice, friendly looking 50" Sony SXRD in all its glory. A rose among so many thorns. (Not really) It did look good, but I didn't have enough time to start getting intimate. Instead, I had to settle for a few, but clever, spinning moves to compare all the other sets with this one. The SXRD came out quite well in this scientific survey, however, I have a question for current owners.

Are there any issues with blurring of movement on the SXRD? I expected none, but I did see a hint of it and I wonder. With all the super critics around here, there must be some owners that have formed an opinion and will share it.

By the way, I couldn't help but notice in CC the great quality of the 45" Sharp LCD. I know nothing about the set, but the detail and general quality of the picture stole some of my attention from the SXRD. Now, IT is taking up residence in the back of my mind.

When I got out to the parking lot at CC, my wife was waiting in the car in front of the door with the engine racing. Another few seconds and I would have been calling a taxi.

'Loyal Employee' - those threads even made me laugh. Don't get me wrong the company has been very good to me. I'm not tearing anything down or trying to start arguments. 1080P is the future, but not any time soon. Like I said I got mine because of my big discount. I even almost went for the 70", but my room is too small I figured. I used to have the stand 768P 60" non-xbr and it had the EXACT same picture as my new SXRD 60". The only difference seems that the new SXRD has a slightly brighter picture and slightly better blacks. I just want to convey to people not that 720P is any different than 1080P for the current moment. It may be in a few years, but that is yet to be seen. I doubt even then the FCC will allow 1080P broadcasts due to the large size. So even if a channel such as HD-Net decides to go with 1080P as their standard, it will still be sent out and broadcast as 1080i due to FCC regulations. For new, prospective buyers just my 2 cents is go with the 720P and save yourself a good bit of money because you won't be missing out on anything any time soon. Also I don't understand, a lot of people don't get 1080i actually = 540P. 1080 interlaced means every other line is a line of video and every other line is a 'blank, blackish' line of no content. So there are really only 540 lines of actual picture. Just what the article is saying, 1080i should in theory actually look WORSE on a 1080p TV than 720P since it has to upconvert or 'fake' the extra lines. You can really notice and undertand interlaced, or 'i' resolutions be looking very close at an older standard crt direct view set. The broadcast at 480i, which means there are only 240 lines of picture and 240 black, blank lines. If you have access to one of these older sets look very close and you will see that every other line in black just for picture fill.

You post all this crap and say you're a product specialist/service specialist ? Yeah right... Doubt you even work for Sony. I like how you copy/paste yourself in several threads here too... More like you're trying to kill the product and work for a competitor...

1080i is NOT 540p. The number is a measure of the horizontal resolution. You still get 1080 lines in 1080i. The 'i' has nothing to do with it. The correct way to phrase it is to say that only 540 lines are transmitted, and not the 1080. It's still not 540p. And let's push this further. After you get the odd lines, you get the even ones. So you do get 1080 different lines, not only 540. Big difference. The process is bandwidth-saving, it's not reducing the resolution by a factor of 2. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as 1080i or p. There'd just be numbers. It's not just a marketing trick to sell TVs as you seem to think. It actually means something.

And ever heard of 3:2 pulldown and telecine ? That's how a progressive signal can be reconstructed from an interlaced one. The process is 100% accurate, as the telecine process (from 'p' to 'i') is the same everytime, which means the reverse process (3:2 pulldown, from 'i' to 'p') is also known. And this TV can do it (CineMotion mode).

So get your facts straight.

You are absolutely lost - search the forums, particularly the Video Processor
forum. No 1080p TV out today throws an entire field away and upconverts
540p to 1080p. 1080i can be simply de-interlaced to 1080p and has the same
spacial resolution.

The reason you don't see a difference is you are not connecting up high quality
1080i source material. There is a HUGE difference when viewing various
source material. Check out INHD1 and INHD2 on cable or HD NET on Dishnetwork
via HDMI and if you can't see a difference and you have Cinema Black Pro on
with defaults then you are either blind or have a defective set.

Is this guy for real. I don't even own an SXRD but there certainly is a difference between 720p and 1080i on my set- it is better. More obvious resolution.

I`ve had my 60" for 2 days. I find the major network HD channels are a notch below the others. They still look great compared to everything else. Today I watched my first HD football game on the local CBS HD channel. The problem was when the camera zoomed in or did close ups, the picture was very clear. Scan shots such as right before the ball is snapped where the entire offensive and defensive teams are shown is out of focus. I have a comcast DCT-5100 motorola cable box. I have seen other HD games where this is not a problem. Do I have something hooked up wrong? Is there something I should check? I would of asked this in the Tweak thread, but no one has been on there since 9:30 this morning. Any help would be appreciated, I`m sure I have something screwed up.

i_can_help, I love your conclusion, but the expression of your reasoning process leaves me wondering whether or not anyone should accept your conclusion. I really want to believe that 1080i is not transformed to 1080p by using every other line of resolution and doubling the result in a progressive format.

How does a tv set wait for all 1080 lines and then cancel the fact that they were originally delivered in an alternating fashion ............ 1, 3, 5, etc. and, then, 2, 4, 6, etc.?

I believe it's done as you said, only the framerate gets reduced from 60 to 30 fps. There are other threads on this. See "Bob" and his cousin "Weave".

That's how it's done:
http://www.avdeals.com/classroom/Proscanexplained.htm

The pattern is always the same. It's just being clever with the data.

The only problem is that TVs don't run at 24, 48 ot 72 fps, but at 30 or 60. So even if your set does re-create the original 1080p/24fps signal, there'll be some judder. Still much better though.

A good example: stick a DVD in your computer, rip it to your hard disk, perform a 3:2 pulldown on it, set your monitor and video card refresh rate to 72 Hz and watch. No judder.

Now watch the DVD on a TV that can also do 3:2 pulldown: there's judder. The TV does not have a refresh rate that's a multiple of 24, that's why.

First of all, I CLAIM NO EXPERTISE AND I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A WISEGUY, just let me kind of follow-up to what you said:

................ Only 30 frames are scanned (alternately) in the same second? Something must be lost in the process. ............ What would it be?

Follow the link I posted. This applies to film material stored on a DVD, by the way. You'll see in the article that the data is manipulated to give the opportunity to re-create the progressive signal.

I started to read the article, but came back here first. The article is about film to television. What about the live transmission of a sports event? Does the article pertain only to film?

Yes, because film material is the only thing that's recorded at 24 fps. Video and TV stuff is at the standard NTSC rate of 30fps.

In any case, I don't know that many shows are recorded at 1080p. Someone more familiar than me with which TV network does what can answer that. If they film it at 1080i to begin with, there's no progressive signal to re-create anyway, so that's that.

Wall mount shelf from here: http://www.jonalexander.com/speaker.html

I had them substitute a square piece of glass for the rounded one.

I don't know, i_can_help. A key excerpt from your article says:

"Progressive displays, such as high-performance CRT/LCD/DLP/D-iLA projectors and the new HDTV-ready TVs, can show progressive scanned images as opposed to interlaced. In order to do this, the display must scan at a higher rate, 2x the speed of NTSC. Because we are scanning at twice the speed, we can draw an entire frame in the same amount of time it takes an interlaced system to draw a single field. ....................."

Essentially, this says that the new HDTV-ready display simply works FASTER than formerly. Twice as fast in fact and that would be the simple reason that the display can capture an entire frame of picture data in half the time that former displays used and, then, present it. The result is visual fusion (flicker free).

The 1080 chips are, I guess, twice as fast, therefore there is no need to throw away half the data and double. Just the present the data "as is." Tell me if I'm on the right track or not.

Its called a buffer :-)

Thanks for the link. That looks sweet!

Quick 5-day report with the 60"

I've noticed no convergence issues as reported by a few others. My set is spot-on across the entire 60" screen including the corners.

The blacks are solid and I've noticed no inconsistency or shift toward blue in the corners as reported by some.

I've been re-watching all the high-def versions of Battlestar Galactica that I TiVo'd from UHD channel and they are simply amazing. Same goes for Lost, CSI, HBO's Rome, etc.

Off-center viewing is fantastic as is the reduction in reflections when compared to my old 57XBR10W the SXRD replaced.

I've been trying to determine the best height for a stand and I think 17-18" is probably optimal. I've ordered the BDI Avion 8529 and I think the 22" height is going to be too high. I'm hopeful that I can substitute the legs to get it closer to 19".

The only downside to the set is that the resolution is so good that I can see all the flaws in the Actor's faces! :-)

Jeff