Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread - Page 68

Originally Posted by maximum360

All the pics I took did not show the blue color issue. I didn't expect the issue to show up in pics (that's the reason I didn't bother taking pics before).

Originally Posted by AkaStp

Sounds like you and I are at about the same point with the "blue hue" issue. I also never really noticed it until I started looking for it as a result of reading reports in the threads. I also can see what appears to be a slight bluishness toward the bottom left corner. Its not very noticeable and that alone is definitely not worth returning or exchanging the TV about. However, in all fairness, it does sound like some other owners do have a bigger problem with non-uniformity and hues. Only time will tell if there is a serious problem.

Originally Posted by AkaStp

I've been seeing the same kind of thing under the same kind of scenarios and thinking along the same lines as to the cause. I have not seen any blue hue problems in the active picture where the blacks look...black!

Originally Posted by maximum360

Unfotunately in my case, the blue is just about everywhere, though it is still strongest in the left side of the screen....as seen in my pictures. Some slight light refraction is probably acceptable but I'm quite sure this is not it. You know it's getting really bad when my 20" dell LCD monitor with a CR of something like 800:1 at most is doing better with blacks than a set that supposed to have a CR that's like ten times that. The blues just totally destroy what were originally great blacks as it seems to get slightly worse as the days go by.

Anyway, I'll be talking with Sony tomorrow to see the options are.

Originally Posted by PaulyC

I could be wrong maximum but i think the consensus might be you have a Lemon.. The blue on the guys shirt in one of your pics looks completely unnatural on active pixels, i have never seen anything like this on about 20 sets up to this point that ive seen..

I asked this in another thread and its seriously just out of curiosity, no dissing going on here cuz I think by the time 1080p sources happen its gonna be awhile anyways before everyone comes around for that... but... any clue how HP got a jump on a 1080p input and Sony SXRD does not? I mean all these companies have access to the same type of hardware and advanced hardware that most common folks probably never see.. weird..

The only thing I find interesting about the complaints of no 1080p input with all opinions of sets aside, if you think DLP just looks not so great, how would a 1080p really help that, and two, its not like the SXRD is gonna be obsolete when 1080p source devices come about, i mean youll still be able to use them with a Blue Ray machine, but how good or bad will it look I guess becomes the question, im sure itll look good even still ....?

Originally Posted by Owen

It's very unlikely that the 1080p input on the HP will give it an edge over the SXRD's with BluRay.
I expect the relative picture quality difference between the HP and the SXRD to remain the same.

Originally Posted by AUPigskin--

Maximum,

Owners,
Does the optical out ONLY work with digital channels? That's all I get through it and am hoping I have missed some setting to allow SD sound over the optical to the receiver...

Originally Posted by umr

I disagree on this point. The ability to add an external scaler processor with a 1080p output could add significant value. I have used a Realta based scaler processor and the improvements are not minor. Being able to add this capability to your set is one good reason to consider the new HP DLP's. Color uniformity is another.

Originally Posted by maximum360


You know it's getting really bad when my 20" dell LCD monitor with a CR of something like 800:1 at most is doing better with blacks than a set that supposed to have a CR that's like ten times that. The blues just totally destroy what were originally great blacks as it seems to get slightly worse as the days go by.

Originally Posted by gweempose

I am convinced that you have a defective set. My SXRD has inky blacks that are superior to any non-CRT set I have ever seen.

Originally Posted by AbMagFab

Or he has his brightness, contrast, and iris turned all the way up. I mean, if you distort the lighting, you are going to distort the colors.

Mine looks perfect, but when messing with the settings I could certainly produce more crushed, blueish blacks.

Originally Posted by Owen

UMR,

Apart from the considerable cost of doing such a thing, have you ever compared the SXRD with 1080i input to a display fed 1080p from a Realta based processor?

The results could vary significantly with progressive sourced 1080i compared to true interlaced sourced 1080i

The reason I ask is I am trying to establish how good the Sony deinterlacer actually is, and weather it can do 3:2 pull down and weave deinterlacing of film sourced video.

Its hard to believe the Realta processor will show any advantage with film (progressive) sourced video.
I do expect the Realta processor will show some advantage with true interlaced (video camera sourced) video, but just how much advantage will be interesting.

Do all SXRD's suffer from color uniformity issues, and just how noticeable is it?
If its no more noticeable then a CRT RPTV with lens strips applied, it's not significant to me.

Thanks

Originally Posted by JimP

UMR,

How much does a Realta based processor cost??

Originally Posted by CFoote

UMR, could William Phelps help in fixing color uniformity on SXRD rear projection as well?

I too am waiting (unfortunately! ) for 1080p input so I can use an external processor. The processors are advancing much too quickly in my opinion...

I might have jumped on the HP bandwagon but rainbows are a problem for me

Chris

Originally Posted by dsaumkc

Since we are all sitting around the campfire listening to the master... lol

UMR..

I read where SONY has stated the there will be an option in the future to simply ADD something to these SXRD's to gain a 1080p signal. Have you heard of such truths, or is this simply just rubbish? And if so, have you heard of something like this before, and can share some insight on the quality of such an add-on?

Thanks in advance...

Originally Posted by umr

I have not had a chance to do that specific comparison, but I do have the ability to test Sony deinterlacers. I would say they tend to be generally of fair quality. They are not horrible, but they are not spectacular either.

Where the Realta really shines is on reducing MPEG compression artifacts. They also have some great video deinterlacing. Sony is not putting this level of processing in their sets at this point. Once you have the ability to resolve MPEG artifacts they become pretty distracting. I find the Realta processing very useful in its ability to smooth these problems out during motion while not reducing sharpness when the image is stationary when their algorithms are used properly.

Sony's film mode detection is decent. That is not where I would expect the majority of the benefits.

All SXRD/LCoS sets I have seen have color uniformity issues. This is what William Phelps corrects on JVC and Sony projectors. I find it very noticeable, but I have the advantage of seeing many display types using the same reference quality inputs. Color uniformity across the screen can be worse than CRT or about the same it depends on how poorly the particular sets polarizer is aligned.

Gray scale tracking problems are much worse than CRT from 0 to 5 percent input signal levels with SXRD. One manufacturers LCoS display technology has gray scale issues as high as 25 percent input signal levels. The panels tend to run very purple or red when they have problems at low levels.

I am a big fan of SXRD, but these displays are not perfect either.

Originally Posted by Owen

Thanks man,

I have been using a HTPC and FFDShow to manage Mpg compression noise for a couple of years, and it works great. I find it invaluable for DVD's, though most decent 1080i looks good enough without noise reduction.
I'm using a 7800 vido card to deinterlace 1080I for display on a 1200p monitor, and the results are vert encouraging.
Probably not as good at a HQV, but very respectable none the less.
If Sony's deinterlacing is as good, I would not be complaining.

I am curious to know how you rate deinterlaced 1080i on a digital display compared to 1080i displayed native on a CRT RPTV.

By the way, where did you get a price of 2K for a HQV deinterlacer? They seem to go for closer to 3K.
The Mosquito with noise reduction is quoted at near 3.5K.

Originally Posted by maximum360

Sorry about the blurriness. Took em in a hurry. Also, the room was totally black.

Originally Posted by maximum360

Like I said before, I've set the iris to manual and turned it all the way down with no change. Also, all advanced settings are default or off. All other settings are close to default or mid level. Changing from cool to neutral to warm also doesn't impact the problem. Settings are not the issue.

Originally Posted by reincarnate

To all those who say there are no 1080p sources. Behold:

http://www.neodigits.com/body/product/HVD2085/specs.asp

Sorry! This is bad news for the interlace boys. At $245 its a pretty stupid simple product

Betcha this is the Chinese making a statement to the HD Dvd camps.