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post #20701 of 23978
Hi Guys - I'm having the same issue Snapdad was having. TV was working fine. Got turned off, and then 10 minutes later when my wife turned it on the power light continuously blinks green.

I replaced the bulb less than a year ago, so I doubt it's that. I've had the OB replaced once and it's bee doing OK (no more green blob).

This happened once before, but it was late at night and the next day the TV worked fine.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Edit: It seems like vacuuming the vents solved this problem.
post #20702 of 23978
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

Until LCDs look better...yes!

That could be a very long wait. Black crush, all that crazy image processing - ughh.

I suppose I'll probably hold on to my set with it's new OB (best so far). I variously love my SXRD or want to take an ax to it depending on the condition of the OB.

Many experts and others try to convince me that plasma's are now "better" but I still see screen door and that plasma shimmer which gives me the impression of a slightly unsteady image. Not to mention that if you want a big panel - 60" minimum for me -- you will need to have your floor joists checked and extra A/C ducts installed to deal with the heat. OK, I'm exaggerating but the big 60" + panels push a hernia-inducing 200 lbs. Yes I've seen the Kuro and it's legendary blacks and wonder if anyone else thinks it is too black and that the tradeoffs or less shadow detail and dull whites are too big of a price to pay. I mean, I have recently been to see a couple of movies at brand new theater in my area that has state-of-the-art equipment and the blacks of the projected images are not as dark as what I see on the Kuros, which raises the question of what exactly is the "ideal" display.
post #20703 of 23978
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Originally Posted by JohnFR View Post

. . . which raises the question of what exactly is the "ideal" display.

Whatever it is, it hasn't been developed yet. And probably won't be for some time.
post #20704 of 23978
Hello - I have the KDSR-60XBR1. Recently the tv will shut off, and the green "lamp" light will blink many times. Then the tv will come back on. It does this maybe 2-4 times through out the day. I'm assuming the bulb just needs replacing?
post #20705 of 23978
Hi ALL,

I've been following this thread from the very beginning and have read every single post over the years!!! I have the 60" model and I have owned it since Nov 2005. Even before I bought it there were reports about OB problems but there was so many glowing reports about the picture itself I took a chance and bought one. But I also bought an extended warantee from BB.

For the first two years it worked flawlessly, and I thought I had escaped the dreaded "green blob." But then the Q-module (tuner, and some input controls) died but the BB EW took care of it rather quickly (would have cost over $1K!). I still thought I was blob free when I started to notice some green areas. At first it wasn't too bad and was only visible on B&W programs so I let it go. Of course it kept getting worse and worse until it was noticable all the time.

So I bit the bullet and called BB and the tech right away new it needed a new OB and just ordered one. The first one was one rebuit but not by Sony and he didn't want to put it in and I agreed. The next one was from Sony and he put it in and it seemed to be OK. But then over the next few days I noticed that the picture was not as sharp and even saw a little green. I called him and he agreed to order another one.

This one came with a small plastic tab broken off in shipment and he was ready to send it back but we agreed to put it in. Luckly it worked perfectly!! This was about a year ago or so.

Since then there are still times when the picture just wows me!! Last night I was watching the new episode of The Closer and there was one scene in the beginning of just a neighborhood of a bunch of houses and I was stunned at how detailed the picture was. When it is running well, I don't think any other HDTV can beat it!! Yes, the KUROs may have deeper blacks but the picture on this TV can be stunning.

The sad story is I'm now beginning to see the return of green areas. Again, its not too bad but I assume it will continue to get worse! My EW is good until this Nov and at that time I will have to decide whether to take a chance and keep it or get some credit from BB (4th service call and they give you credit to a new TV). If I do the latter then in my opinion my only choice is a Panny V10 plasma but the screen sizes are 58 or 65. I really don't want the 65 but I'm worried about droping the screen size by 2 inches!!

Oh well, we'll have to see what happens!!!

Gerry
post #20706 of 23978
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

Hello - I have the KDSR-60XBR1. Recently the tv will shut off, and the green "lamp" light will blink many times. Then the tv will come back on. It does this maybe 2-4 times through out the day. I'm assuming the bulb just needs replacing?

Anyone know? To be exact, the Power/Standby light is blinking. The TV now turns off every 15-30 minutes or so, and the Power/Standby light blinks GREEN many times, then the tv comes back on. 15-30 minutes later, the same thing.
post #20707 of 23978
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

Anyone know? To be exact, the Power/Standby light is blinking. The TV now turns off every 15-30 minutes or so, and the Power/Standby light blinks GREEN many times, then the tv comes back on. 15-30 minutes later, the same thing.

Not sure what you mean by "many"; but the following might help:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...chmentid=83587
post #20708 of 23978
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

Not sure what you mean by "many"; but the following might help:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...chmentid=83587


Thanks. I ordered a new bulb, and I'm wondering if its good to dust the area where the bulb gets inserted? Is it possible for dust to collect in there?
post #20709 of 23978
If anyone is using the XBR1 with a HTPC and Windows7, please check out this post I just made over in the HTPC forum. I'm looking for some help with an issue I'm experiencing.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post16625723
post #20710 of 23978
OK - I am about to call Sony for my second OB replacement on my 60XBR1.
For us XBR1 owners, although Sony has extended the warranty until the end of June '09, they are not offering a deal on another set. Since there is no real fix for this problem, it's bound to happen again.

Here is what I am thinking... Since the issue appears to be heat related due to the inherent design of the set (bulb too close to the panels) and it is obviously NOT going to be addressed, maybe we can collectively come up with some sort of modification to better cool the OB assembly/panels. With all the high-tech PC cooling stuff (quiet fans/liquid cooling pipes) there has to be SOME way to add something to keep things cooler, right?

I made it about a year after the last OB replacement until I started seeing a green haze in the lower right quadrant of the screen on some white backgrounds and when watching black & white movies. At that point, I switched the TV to "High Altitude" mode which increases the fan speed after reading about doing that here. Not sure if this is really making a difference because the problem has since gotten worse, hence why I will be calling this weekend to get the ball rolling on the next OB replacement.

So... Any hardcore techies out there want to explore this with me? I still absolutely LOVE this set and really want to find some way to make it last as long as the 15+ year old CRT I still use in the basement. Otherwise, I cannot justify spending $700-$1000+ a year to replace the OB in the future and will likely have to kick the set to the curb.

Let's put our heads together and try to come up with something so we can keep enjoying our sets for years to come! Heck, we could make a kit and sell it on Ebay!

Thanks for reading.
post #20711 of 23978
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

Thanks. I ordered a new bulb, and I'm wondering if its good to dust the area where the bulb gets inserted? Is it possible for dust to collect in there?


Anyone know?
post #20712 of 23978
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

Anyone know?

I clean my bulb compartment out very 3-4 months or so. Dust does indeed collect in there. I vacuum what I can and used canned air to try and clear what I cant see or get to.
post #20713 of 23978
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Originally Posted by rdeckard2019 View Post

Since the issue appears to be heat related due to the inherent design of the set (bulb too close to the panels) and it is obviously NOT going to be addressed, maybe we can collectively come up with some sort of modification to better cool the OB assembly/panels.

KewlK can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the problems are caused by UV light, not heat.
post #20714 of 23978
Since moving from my apartment to my house, I let Charter HD go. Have been considering FIOS, which is offered in my area, but have been on OTA with intermittent digital signal. Now that the cutoff happened, I've been mostly without TV since the digital has been erratic. I just tried a new indoor/outdoor antenna and that didn't really help.

My old 34" CRT HDTV was "HD-ready" meaning it didn't have an ATSC tuner. Wife just got the coupon for that TV and I gave it a go on the XBR1. Result: I get every digital station now, which means either the XBR1 ATSC tuner is very finnicky or mine is defective. Guess it would make sense that since my OB is apparently bulletproof, something else would fail (in my case, it might be two things since I get the erratic "wink outs" where picture and sound drop for a second and then everything and the info banner is displayed.

Anyhoo, this converter box shows pretty strong signal strength on some channels (in the green) and yello/red on the other. I never did cash in my extended warranty, so maybe I'll finally get to use it and try to kill both birds with one stone.
post #20715 of 23978
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Originally Posted by Spank1 View Post

I clean my bulb compartment out very 3-4 months or so. Dust does indeed collect in there. I vacuum what I can and used canned air to try and clear what I cant see or get to.

wow no kidding, dust does collect in there? So you dont feel safe using a wet rag or anything like that?
post #20716 of 23978
I've been having an odd issue with my 60XBR1, I recently had my OB replaced due to green blob issue and more recently all of a sudden the video will drop out completely for a second or two then it will come back with all the banners showing almost like I changed the source. There is no green light activity at all. This happens on HDMI or component. Has anyone experienced this before?

Thanks,
Dave
post #20717 of 23978
I had an HD-DVD player and thought they looked great on the SXRD. I sold the HD-DVD player and discs on ebay just before Toshiba pulled the plug on the format. Then I had the OB replaced in my 50XBR1 about a year ago. Got it back and was happy to not have the green blob any more and my only HD source (DirecTV) was looking good.

A few months ago, I purchased a Sony BDP-S350 Blu-Ray player. Watched a few blu discs (Iron Man and Hulk, to name two) and thought they looked good, though maybe not quite as eye-popping as I expected.

I had always seen Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest running as a demo at the local Best Buy and thought it looked amazing. Almost too good, as it nearly exposed the kraken as not real. Anyway, I picked up the PotC trilogy on blu-ray and watched DMC over the weekend on my XBR1 and I was thoroughly disappointed! It looked nothing like the Best Buy demo and honestly didn't seem all that much better than what I would perceive upscaled DVD to be from my Oppo DVD player.

Is the reason for this: 1) The new optical block is having a problem; 2) Bulb needs to be changed (shows 7500 hours, but I don't know if they replaced it when they did the OB and just didn't reset the timer); 3) 1080i input limitation of the XBR1 is rearing its head; 4) The demo TV in Best Buy may have been one of the new 120Hz/MotionFlow deals and the XBR1 can't compete.

I double-checked all my settings on the TV, the player, and the Onkyo 705 receiver that the HDMI is passed through, and everything seems to be as it should. I am running the Pro mode settings that have been posted here numerous times, though I also tried playing with them to no avail. As a side note, my DirecTV Extra Innings HD baseball games last night also looked "soft" - not quite widescreen standard definition, but certainly not what I've seen the set display in the past.

Thoughts?
post #20718 of 23978
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Originally Posted by bigdave914 View Post

I've been having an odd issue with my 60XBR1, I recently had my OB replaced due to green blob issue and more recently all of a sudden the video will drop out completely for a second or two then it will come back with all the banners showing almost like I changed the source. There is no green light activity at all. This happens on HDMI or component. Has anyone experienced this before?

Thanks,
Dave

Do you use the Sony's internal OTA tuner? Mine did the same thing, maybe once a day, and they ended up replacing the "Q-box". The reason I asked about the tuner is that I seldom use the internal tuner but when I needed to one day, after the banner thing was going on for several months, the digital tuner wasn't working at all....the analog tuner still worked.
post #20719 of 23978
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Originally Posted by Shredfest View Post

I had an HD-DVD player and thought they looked great on the SXRD. I sold the HD-DVD player and discs on ebay just before Toshiba pulled the plug on the format. Then I had the OB replaced in my 50XBR1 about a year ago. Got it back and was happy to not have the green blob any more and my only HD source (DirecTV) was looking good.

A few months ago, I purchased a Sony BDP-S350 Blu-Ray player. Watched a few blu discs (Iron Man and Hulk, to name two) and thought they looked good, though maybe not quite as eye-popping as I expected.

I had always seen Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest running as a demo at the local Best Buy and thought it looked amazing. Almost too good, as it nearly exposed the kraken as not real. Anyway, I picked up the PotC trilogy on blu-ray and watched DMC over the weekend on my XBR1 and I was thoroughly disappointed! It looked nothing like the Best Buy demo and honestly didn't seem all that much better than what I would perceive upscaled DVD to be from my Oppo DVD player.

Is the reason for this: 1) The new optical block is having a problem; 2) Bulb needs to be changed (shows 7500 hours, but I don't know if they replaced it when they did the OB and just didn't reset the timer); 3) 1080i input limitation of the XBR1 is rearing its head; 4) The demo TV in Best Buy may have been one of the new 120Hz/MotionFlow deals and the XBR1 can't compete.

I double-checked all my settings on the TV, the player, and the Onkyo 705 receiver that the HDMI is passed through, and everything seems to be as it should. I am running the Pro mode settings that have been posted here numerous times, though I also tried playing with them to no avail. As a side note, my DirecTV Extra Innings HD baseball games last night also looked "soft" - not quite widescreen standard definition, but certainly not what I've seen the set display in the past.

Thoughts?

My quick thoughts:
1) If they didn't tell you they installed a new lamp, they probably didn't.
2. Pro mode settings posted here may or may not be good for your set. They are all different. If one group of settings was "best" for all sets, they were calibrate them accordingly at the factory. Even the same set with a new OB (or new lamp) probably needs new optimal settings. Learn to use Avia or DVE to calibrate the user adjustments on your specific set.
3) I've installed two new lamps on my set. Each time I've had a dramatic improvement in the picture.
4) At 7500 hours you probably need a new lamp. If I were you, I would order and install a new lamp. I'll bet you are very pleasantly surprised.
post #20720 of 23978
Hey everyone... just found this forum today while trying to find some info on this TV.

The problem I am having is that I am getting a red tint all around the outside of the screen... looks fine in the middle. But say, from the bottom up to about 7-8 inches or so, all around I am getting a red tint. Very noticeable in skin tones where someones face will look fine but anything towards the bottom or top will look red. Could this be related to the OB issue as well?

Any thought would be appreciated.

Thanks!
post #20721 of 23978
Thanks for the reply, rlb.

Have you (or do you know of anyone who has) ordered bulbs from NextDay DLP?

http://www.shop.nextdaydlp.com/produ...&productId=222

They let you choose between the Philips and Osram bulbs (Philips is $15 more) and between a new and recycled housing (new is $10 more). They also offer a one year exchange warranty on the bulb. (Of course, that presumes they will be around in a year!) Anyway, $125 for an Osram in a recycled housing seems like a good deal. Is there any good reason to go for the Philips bulb or the new housing?

Or is there a better source? I found a couple of places selling the bulb and housing for $99 but they did not disclose the bulb manufacturer. I can also get the official-in-Sony-box, brand new XL-5100 for $175 - $225. Not sure that is worth the extra cost.

Anyone have any advice?

Note: River Valley Electronics offers a similar deal $125 for an Osram bulb in recycled housing or $15 more for the Philips bulb. Not sure if they are any more or less reputable than NextDay DLP.
post #20722 of 23978
I used River Valley, and ordered a lamp for $89 and used the online guide to place it in the housing (real easy). Now about the bestbuy pirates movie. They are usually showing that in torch mode (vivid on a sony) on an LCD with the 120hz motion flow stuff on. You won't be able to get that kind of picture on your sony and I am not sure you would want to. I dont think by changing your lamp that your pic will change much.
post #20723 of 23978
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Originally Posted by ethandt View Post

Hey everyone... just found this forum today while trying to find some info on this TV.

The problem I am having is that I am getting a red tint all around the outside of the screen... looks fine in the middle. But say, from the bottom up to about 7-8 inches or so, all around I am getting a red tint. Very noticeable in skin tones where someones face will look fine but anything towards the bottom or top will look red. Could this be related to the OB issue as well?

Any thought would be appreciated.

Thanks!

It is almost certainly the OB. Call Sony now to schedule a replacement before the extended warranty period expires at the end of the month. Magenta tint at the edges was one of the problems I had with my last OB. Read the details of the class action below and call immediately. Don't allow any rep to talk you out of the problem if you indeed have the conditions you described.

Poor color uniformity as you are experiencing is one of the defects covered by the lawsuit.

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/news-i...mdl=KDSR50XBR1
post #20724 of 23978
I removed the 120mm fan yesterday on my 50XBR1 and oiled the shaft but then realized I didn't remember whether the fan was mounted to blow inward or outward. It will mount either way. Could someone tell me which way the fan should blow?
post #20725 of 23978
[quote=JohnFR;16659168]It is almost certainly the OB. Call Sony now to schedule a replacement before the extended warranty period expires at the end of the month. Magenta tint at the edges was one of the problems I had with my last OB. Read the details of the class action below and call immediately. Don't allow any rep to talk you out of the problem if you indeed have the conditions you described.

Poor color uniformity as you are experiencing is one of the defects covered by the lawsuit.



Thanks so much John. I did call Sony yesterday and they set me up with a local repair center... hopefully this solves the issue.
post #20726 of 23978
Quote:
Originally Posted by ccrider2 View Post

Do you use the Sony's internal OTA tuner? Mine did the same thing, maybe once a day, and they ended up replacing the "Q-box". The reason I asked about the tuner is that I seldom use the internal tuner but when I needed to one day, after the banner thing was going on for several months, the digital tuner wasn't working at all....the analog tuner still worked.

I don't use the tuner but I have been trying to, I recently removed a cable card and was trying to get the digital channels to try and tune without any luck so the problem sound similar. Glad I have the extended warranty. Will call tomorrow, thanks for the guidance.
post #20727 of 23978
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethandt View Post

Thanks so much John. I did call Sony yesterday and they set me up with a local repair center... hopefully this solves the issue.


No problem and good luck with your replacement. Also, the replacement should be done in your home and not at someone's shop. On my last replacement, Sony gave me the choice of two local shops. The first guy I called insisted on takling my tv to his shop for the repair (no way -- might be there for weeks, not to mention possible damage) but the second followed the usual procedure and came to my home after he received the part from Sony.
post #20728 of 23978
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnFR View Post

No problem and good luck with your replacement. Also, the replacement should be done in your home and not at someone's shop. On my last replacement, Sony gave me the choice of two local shops. The first guy I called insisted on takling my tv to his shop for the repair (no way -- might be there for weeks, not to mention possible damage) but the second followed the usual procedure and came to my home after he received the part from Sony.

Wish I had known that. My guys took my set to the shop to change the OB and I assumed that was the usual procedure!
post #20729 of 23978
Quote:
Originally Posted by fullhorn View Post

I used River Valley, and ordered a lamp for $89 and used the online guide to place it in the housing (real easy). Now about the bestbuy pirates movie. They are usually showing that in torch mode (vivid on a sony) on an LCD with the 120hz motion flow stuff on. You won't be able to get that kind of picture on your sony and I am not sure you would want to. I dont think by changing your lamp that your pic will change much.

I figured the motionflow might have something to do with it. I wasn't sure I liked it (as I said, it made the kraken look fake), but I guess it was different enough from what I am used to that it made an impact. That said, I still do think my picture has gotten softer. I just calibrated the set with a Spyder3 TV the other night, so I'll take a look at some various source material again and re-evaluate. I had used the Spyder3 prior to the OB replacement but then got lazy and just used the posted settings from here when I got the set back. My settings this time came out a little different - not sure if that is due to the different OB, the lamp starting to lose brightness, or both.

Is there a way to tweak convergence on these sets? Guess I will have to search that out.
post #20730 of 23978
I rescaned for local channels on Sunday, and it did a scan for both digital and analog channels. It showed that it was picking up analog channels so I stopped it and selected digital only.

Any idea why it was supposedly picking up the analogs still?
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