thanks for that, as for the menu, source ect... i couldnt get anything on the screen not even the service mode menu, anyway last night i thought what the hell lets strip it to bits and see whats what, it did look like at one time somehing had been spilled down the back but had long since dried out, one of the boards was a little corroded around one chip but didn look like it was anything to worry about to me, anyway, cleaned it all up with a tooth brush and made sure ever plug was conneced up right switched it on and the things working now, like i said didnt find anything that wrong inside it but i do know that unplugging it and waiting for a bit before you plug it back in resets it, my thinking is that there is maybe some residual voltage left on the board and perhaps by unpluging every connection would have coused a complete reset and fixed my fault, lets see if it says fixed this time, 3,106 hours use it says, got it in 2007 and no OB problem as of yet, fingers crossed
