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post #31 of 23978
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Alright, here are all the different resolutions I tested on the VGA port. These were all tested at 60Hz.

640 x 480 - Did not work at all
720 x 480 - Did work but reported as "Out of Range"
848 x 480 - Did not work at all
800 x 600 - Worked
1024 x 768 - Worked
1152 x 864 - Did not work, reported as "Out of Range"
1280 x 720 - Worked
1280 x 768 - Worked
1280 x 960 - Worked
1280 x 1024 - Worked
1360 x 768 - Worked - Filled most of the screen and appeared to be the best available resolution.
1360 x 1024 - Worked
1600 x 1200 - Did not fit properly on screen
1792 x 1344 - Did not fit properly on screen
1800 x 1440 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1080i - Came up but looked like total crap and reported as "Out of Range"
1920 x 1080p - Came up but looked like total crap and reported as "Out of Range"
1896 x 1392 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1200 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1440 - Did not fit properly on screen
2048 x 1536 - Did not fit properly on screen

These are all the resolutions I was able to test and their results. I was not able to test hooking the PC up to the HDMI port because I do not have a DVI to HDMI cable at this time.

I did test 1360 x 768 at 85Hz and it worked an looked beautiful. The only difference between the 60Hz and 85Hz settings was that the 60Hz setting filled much more of the screen space. So from that standpoint, I felt it looked better at 60Hz (more screen real estate).

Just to be clear, NONE of the resolutions tested were able to fill the screen in it's entirety.

My system was using an ATi video card with the latest Catalyst drivers (5.9).

I hope this helps someone who is on the fence and answers the questions outright for others.
post #32 of 23978
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Originally Posted by Bombthroat View Post

I hope this helps someone who is on the fence and answers the questions outright for others.

Thanks for doing all that.

Now watch... somebody's gonna want a picture of each rez
post #33 of 23978
Thank You for all your testing work. Much appreciated
post #34 of 23978
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Originally Posted by Bombthroat View Post

I hope this helps someone who is on the fence and answers the questions outright for others.

Thanks a bunch for helping all of us out. Your time is greatly appreciated!

Chris
post #35 of 23978
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Originally Posted by Uninvited Guest View Post

Thanks for doing all that.

Now watch... somebody's gonna want a picture of each rez


All from 4 different angles and 3 gradations of ambient lighting......
post #36 of 23978
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Originally Posted by Bombthroat View Post

Alright, here are all the different resolutions I tested on the VGA port. These were all tested at 60Hz.

640 x 480 - Did not work at all
720 x 480 - Did work but reported as "Out of Range"
848 x 480 - Did not work at all
800 x 600 - Worked
1024 x 768 - Worked
1152 x 864 - Did not work, reported as "Out of Range"
1280 x 720 - Worked
1280 x 768 - Worked
1280 x 960 - Worked
1280 x 1024 - Worked
1360 x 768 - Worked - Filled most of the screen and appeared to be the best available resolution.
1360 x 1024 - Worked
1600 x 1200 - Did not fit properly on screen
1792 x 1344 - Did not fit properly on screen
1800 x 1440 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1080i - Came up but looked like total crap and reported as "Out of Range"
1920 x 1080p - Came up but looked like total crap and reported as "Out of Range"
1896 x 1392 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1200 - Did not fit properly on screen
1920 x 1440 - Did not fit properly on screen
2048 x 1536 - Did not fit properly on screen

These are all the resolutions I was able to test and their results. I was not able to test hooking the PC up to the HDMI port because I do not have a DVI to HDMI cable at this time.

I did test 1360 x 768 at 85Hz and it worked an looked beautiful. The only difference between the 60Hz and 85Hz settings was that the 60Hz setting filled much more of the screen space. So from that standpoint, I felt it looked better at 60Hz (more screen real estate).

Just to be clear, NONE of the resolutions tested were able to fill the screen in it's entirety.

My system was using an ATi video card with the latest Catalyst drivers (5.9).

I hope this helps someone who is on the fence and answers the questions outright for others.

Hmm, not good. I know I refuse to buy any TV that can't do 1080p over at least _some_ input, even VGA would be fine. Probably others feel the same, primarily for HTPC use.

Somebody'll have to sit down and really mess with the timings to see if there's a way to get it to do 1920x1080p30 or 1920x1080p60 over VGA.

I was 100% sure on the SXRD until I read this, may be down to the JVC or the HP DLP if this won't work - it's a deal breaker.
post #37 of 23978
jvrobert - He hasn't tested the HDMI inputs yet. Although I doubt you'll see anything over 1080i on it work.

Also, my guess is that "in the big scheme of things" it won't matter to most people that it can't take a 1080p input. Trust me when I tell you that they'll sell the tar out of these things if even limited to 1080i over HDMI. Next year's SXRD will certainly have 1080p input capabilities, and even then there may still not be much to feed it in the way of 1080p sources. I know that a lot folks are talking about feeding their DVD's via HTPC in 1080p, but that's really no better than sending it in 1080i. The reality is that there's still (at this time) no 1080p sources to feed any of these sets. Will there be? sure, some time in the future. Probably not much anytime soon. We have a hard time getting true full blown 1080i sources now.

I digress... back to the owners and them imparting their findings with us.
post #38 of 23978
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I assure you I'm male. The flowers on the table (which I why I assume you think I'm a "she") were for my wife for our anniversary.

I'll have an update shortly on all resolutions that function properly over the VGA port. Stay tuned...

Congrats on the SXRD. Congrats on the anniversary. Gentlemen, take note - especially those who are married and wanting that all important "permission" from the wife. For those that didn't see the suttle hints!
post #39 of 23978
I'd like to announce that, I have just joined this club, and ordered my 60'' SXRD today via sony Style although it looks like I won't ship until Oct 1.
post #40 of 23978
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Just to be clear, NONE of the resolutions tested were able to fill the screen in it's entirety.

Doesn't this set have overscan control in the user options for the PC input?
post #41 of 23978
Thanks for that usefull information and thanks for the time spent to get it when you COULD be enjoying your awesome display! Since you are in a generous mood it seems could you also check how good the black level on this set actually is compared to the postive hype regarding this displays contrast level. Take a look at a movie at night with all lights out. Check the dark scenes. How is the shadow detail. Are the blacks truely black? Or are they still a dark(er) grey or midnight blue tint. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. And oh yes, Congrats on your new SXRD!!
post #42 of 23978
so forgive me for stating the obvious, but this tv does not accept 1080p over any of the inputs except OTA transmissions, but it does upconvert all signals sent to it to 1080p.
Right?
post #43 of 23978
Matt: That is correct. But in all honesty I doubt you could tell the difference between a true 1080P signal and a 1080I signal that is scaled to progressive. Remember that you'll be sitting 9-12 feet away from this puppy and it's still 1:1 pixel mapping. I also want to know why it's important for the TV to do 1080P over VGA? It doesn't seem plausible that anyone would develop a HD box with VGA? Am I missing something.
post #44 of 23978
Can you see rainbows on this display, cause i am one of the few who also sees rainbows on plasma's.
post #45 of 23978
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Can you see rainbows on this display, cause i am one of the few who also sees rainbows on plasma's.

I can only speak for myself but I haven't seen any hint of rainbows whatsoever. I don't normally see them on DLP's either though, so I might not be a good candidate to answer this question for you.
post #46 of 23978
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Originally Posted by Desert Heat View Post

Thanks for that usefull information and thanks for the time spent to get it when you COULD be enjoying your awesome display! Since you are in a generous mood it seems could you also check how good the black level on this set actually is compared to the postive hype regarding this displays contrast level. Take a look at a movie at night with all lights out. Check the dark scenes. How is the shadow detail. Are the blacks truely black? Or are they still a dark(er) grey or midnight blue tint. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. And oh yes, Congrats on your new SXRD!!

The best way I can answer this question is to say I watched the scene from "The Lord of the Rings: Two Towers" where they are in the woods and end up finding Gandalf the White. This scene has a lot of very dark areas as well as a ton of shadows. I watched this using my progressive scan DVD player hooked up through component. At my normal viewing distance (approx 10 - 12') the blacks appeared to be as black as the bezel surrounding the set and the shadow detail was excellent.

The only caveat I have with saying the shadow detail was absolute was I did not have my CRT right beside it as a reference for the scene. But as far as I could tell, the forest and all shadows were extremely detailed.
post #47 of 23978
have you noticed any sort of color abberation or convergence errors like you see on the JVC d-ilas? you now where if there a white box on or text on screen you see a pixel or 2 of magenta on one edge and a pixel or two of cyan on the other...
post #48 of 23978
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Can you see rainbows on this display, cause i am one of the few who also sees rainbows on plasma's.

there is no way that you would see rainbows on any LCoS set, whether from Sony or any other company. Rainbows are a result of wobulation of DLP, LCoS technology works differently. I'm surprised Gazelle or the other Sony lovers haven't chimed in on this yet
post #49 of 23978
It's not the wobulation that causes it, but rather the color wheel.
post #50 of 23978
i emailed Sunshine last night asking if they'll ever sell the 50" SXRD. There 60" SXRD is already $1100 off msrp at $3899!! thats a steal. I'm wondering what the 50" SXRD will be for at sunshine..
post #51 of 23978
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Originally Posted by manktank View Post

have you noticed any sort of color abberation or convergence errors like you see on the JVC d-ilas? you now where if there a white box on or text on screen you see a pixel or 2 of magenta on one edge and a pixel or two of cyan on the other...


I was wondering the same thing.

It would be better if you display a convergence patter from Avia or DVE. White on black show should these effects.
post #52 of 23978
There is a need for 1080p input. Specifically, if one wants to use an external scaler. I do not know how good the internal scaler is, but if you wish to use an external scaler, such as the VP30 or the Algorith, JVC, NEC or other units based on the Realta chip (or any other scaler, for that matter), they will produce a 1080p signal. If you can not input that into the set, it will not be possible to use an external scaler.

Further, if you have an HTPC, you also want to be able to input its 1080p signal into the SONY.

I wonder whether it would be possible to replace the first generation Silicom Image HDMI chip with the second generation chip, which is presently available, and which supports 1080p. Does anyone know whether the two chips have the same pinouts?

Steve
post #53 of 23978
Bombthroat,

Have you tinkered with any other rates?
I had noticed that the Sony site does not have drivers for the KDSR series as of yet. Perhaps we shall see them in the not too distant future.

dao
post #54 of 23978
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Originally Posted by steve View Post

I wonder whether it would be possible to replace the first generation Silicom Image HDMI chip with the second generation chip, which is presently available, and which supports 1080p. Does anyone know whether the two chips have the same pinouts?

Steve

I suspect that even if the two chips had the same pinouts, there would also be software and maybe other hardware that would keep it from being a simple swapout of chips. Nice idea, but I just don't think its going to happen.
post #55 of 23978
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Originally Posted by manktank View Post

have you noticed any sort of color abberation or convergence errors like you see on the JVC d-ilas? you now where if there a white box on or text on screen you see a pixel or 2 of magenta on one edge and a pixel or two of cyan on the other...

This is a good question, but remember that all projection sets will have some sort of abberation to them. Any time you use a lense you will get some sort of issue with convergence. I know a friend of mine who is big into telescopes and even with expensive lenses the abberation/convergence issue is still there.
post #56 of 23978
Bombthroat,

Could you comment on whether Screen Shimmer Effect (SSE) is noticable on your set? Other AVS threads commented that is as noticable on the SXRD as it is on the A10/20 sets.

I seem to be very sensitive to this type of artifact and can see it on all DLPs and LCD RPTVs. I was hoping Sony's SXRD would address this issue.

Thanks.
post #57 of 23978
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Originally Posted by CFoote View Post

This is a good question, but remember that all projection sets will have some sort of abberation to them. Any time you use a lense you will get some sort of issue with convergence. I know a friend of mine who is big into telescopes and even with expensive lenses the abberation/convergence issue is still there.


Not really. Several months ago, I went out to find out for myself.

You really do have convergence problems (and possibly chromatic abberations)with sets that involve 3 of anything.

DLPs didn't have the convergence issue (nothing to converge) but did exhibit chromatic abberations. Except for the RCA DLP which surprised me.

What this tells me is that chromatic abberation can be avoided, but for whatever reason most manufacturers don't. Is it going with cheaper lenses or maybe a side effect of making the set thinner, who knows.
post #58 of 23978
Bombthroat have you messed with the timing for 1920 x 1080 to see if you could 1:1 map the image. If I recall correctly several people were able to fiddle with there timing on their Samsung set to get 1:1 mapping. This should be doable on the Sony.

One good solution for showing the blacks is to get something that you feel is absolute black and hang it over the screen then take a picture of it while displaying a dark scene (Lord of Rings). This will give you a good reference. Black felt is ideal.
post #59 of 23978
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Originally Posted by lab1234 View Post

Bombthroat,

Could you comment on whether Screen Shimmer Effect (SSE) is noticable on your set? Other AVS threads commented that is as noticable on the SXRD as it is on the A10/20 sets.

I seem to be very sensitive to this type of artifact and can see it on all DLPs and LCD RPTVs. I was hoping Sony's SXRD would address this issue.

Thanks.

I wish I could answer that question for you. I'm not familiar with SSE. I'll say this, I haven't noticed any shimmering at all with the picture. At my normal viewing distance, it just looks like a constant picture.

Sorry I can't help with that. I'm sure others will receive their sets by the end of the week. Hopefully someone else will be able to answer the question for you.
post #60 of 23978
I've ordered a 60" from CC (thought I was getting a real good deal until I saw recent post here that Sunshine is now at appx. $3900. - oh well!!!)

While I wait for 60" delivery - I'd like to identify some good recommendations for a "highly compatible" DVD player to marry with the 60". Does it make sense to invest heavily (<$1000.00) for DVD player today OR stay in the $300. or less range?
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