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post #1741 of 1855
I've never had a motor go out yet, or have a problem with screen material in my electric screens - although I've never kept a screen beyond about 7 1/2 years. I imagine I'll have my current screens longer than that though.

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post #1742 of 1855
Well - I got my screen samples. I put them up on a stand in front of the current screen - Ultramatte 150 (12 years old) and put the StudioTek 130 and StudioTek 100 8 1/2" x 11" samples in front.

StudioTek 130 has true sparkles...when the picture is bright white it is like looking a fish scales! It's really noticeable. On the other hand, the Studio Tek 100 looked really good! The colors were better and the blacks really were darker. It was a noticeable difference. I compared while watching Elysium upscaled to 4k using a Sony BDP-S790. I then watched 1080p TV - Football game and shows. StudioTek 100 was still the best of the lot. I walked around the room and tried to see if I could notice any issues with angles - none!

Today, I waited until the middle of the day when the ambient is greatest in the basement (4 fL) and played Xbox and watched TV - still no issue with the StudioTek 100. Same sparkles apparent in the 130 sample. Interesting that the Ultramatte 150 is supposed to be a higher gain but I don't see any of the sparkles/glitter in that screen...

What I am thinking is since my Ultramatte 150 is 12 years old - perhaps it is now closer to 100 due to age/wear....is that even possible?!

Now I am really stuck. I thought the 130 was going to be the answer, but no way can I handle that glitter effect/sheen/sparkles.

I like to 100 but concerned about the warnings about it being for a post-production lab environment and the room must be blacked out for optimum effect...remember I am using an 8 1/2" x 11" sample...wondering what's going to happen with a 133" diagonal 1.78:1 screen. I do have the wife working on a WAF for black velvet...

Help!! Also - can Stewart give me a recommendation for a HT installer here in Phoenix? I'm not sure who is the best of the ones I have talked to so far (Lanza AV - Insight AI - Starpower). If my assessments are wrong - let me know - I liked everyone I met with - but just not comfortable with anyone yet...

Thanks!
Edited by Rick Johnson - 1/15/14 at 1:25pm
post #1743 of 1855
How did you make out with mounting your screen? My boss gave me his Stewart firehawk screen but no frame was going to make one
post #1744 of 1855
Quote:
Well - I got my screen samples. I put them up on a stand in front of the current screen - Ultramatte 150 (12 years old) and put the StudioTek 130 and StudioTek 100 8 1/2" x 11" samples in front.

StudioTek 130 has true sparkles...when the picture is bright white it is like looking a fish scales! It's really noticeable. On the other hand, the Studio Tek 100 looked really good! The colors were better and the blacks really were darker. It was a noticeable difference. I compared while watching Elysium upscaled to 4k using a Sony BDP-S790. I then watched 1080p TV - Football game and shows. StudioTek 100 was still the best of the lot. I walked around the room and tried to see if I could notice any issues with angles - none!

Today, I waited until the middle of the day when the ambient is greatest in the basement (4 fL) and played Xbox and watched TV - still no issue with the StudioTek 100. Same sparkles apparent in the 130 sample. Interesting that the Ultramatte 150 is supposed to be a higher gain but I don't see any of the sparkles/glitter in that screen...

What I am thinking is since my Ultramatte 150 is 12 years old - perhaps it is now closer to 100 due to age/wear....is that even possible?!

Now I am really stuck. I thought the 130 was going to be the answer, but no way can I handle that glitter effect/sheen/sparkles.

I like to 100 but concerned about the warnings about it being for a post-production lab environment and the room must be blacked out for optimum effect...remember I am using an 8 1/2" x 11" sample...wondering what's going to happen with a 133" diagonal 1.78:1 screen. I do have the wife working on a WAF for black velvet...

Split the difference with a Cima Neve 1.1 screen perhaps?
post #1745 of 1855
Hi All,
Been lurking around AVS forum for many years, finally have a question…

A few years ago did a major home addition/refirb and I finally could build a home theater space.
The room is above a garage, 31 ft long x 21 ft wide. Peaked ceiling at 12 ft and side walls that begin at 7ft high. Windows are covered with blackout roller shades. Bar in the rear. All room lighting is very controlled with no lighting on the screen end of the room. Mostly darkened night movie use, but occasional sports events with low rear room lighting.
My wife had a demand: the screen must be retractable; she felt the room would be used for other than movies/sports viewing. Never argue.

So I worked with the good folk at AV Science, purchased and installed a:
Stewart Filmscreen Luxus Model A 'Classic' Electriscreen
Image Size: 66" x 118" (135" diagonal)
Screen Material: FireHawk G2
Screen Control: InfraRed Remote Control -- Model#: IRR

Of course, I never retracted the screen for “other” things. Ever. (Other than to do a bit of work behind the screen on rare occasion. But you already knew that.
Projector is ceiling mounted 18 ft from screen and height is about 2 ft above the screen horizontal center-line and dead nuts centered on the vertical line. Major seating is at 15 ft but adjustable.
I have recently purchased an Epson 5030UB.
In setting things up, I zoomed out and realized I could fit a larger screen if I didn’t have all of the Electriscreen header stuff.
It appears that I could easily fit (Using a 3.375” edge Luxus Deluxe Screen Wall) a 76”x 135” (viewable area) screen. Wow.

My wife now agrees that we don’t really need a retractable screen. (!)
1. Can I grow the screen (Quality wise)?
2. Is it worth it to grow the screen? (Impact wise)
3. As G2 is no longer made, what should I use?
4. Is there any market to sell my existing screen? (I have kept all the original packaging.)

Really appreciate your sensible guidance!
post #1746 of 1855
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Originally Posted by martinw View Post

Hi All,
Been lurking around AVS forum for many years, finally have a question…

A few years ago did a major home addition/refirb and I finally could build a home theater space.
The room is above a garage, 31 ft long x 21 ft wide. Peaked ceiling at 12 ft and side walls that begin at 7ft high. Windows are covered with blackout roller shades. Bar in the rear. All room lighting is very controlled with no lighting on the screen end of the room. Mostly darkened night movie use, but occasional sports events with low rear room lighting.
My wife had a demand: the screen must be retractable; she felt the room would be used for other than movies/sports viewing. Never argue.

So I worked with the good folk at AV Science, purchased and installed a:
Stewart Filmscreen Luxus Model A 'Classic' Electriscreen
Image Size: 66" x 118" (135" diagonal)
Screen Material: FireHawk G2
Screen Control: InfraRed Remote Control -- Model#: IRR

Of course, I never retracted the screen for “other” things. Ever. (Other than to do a bit of work behind the screen on rare occasion. But you already knew that.
Projector is ceiling mounted 18 ft from screen and height is about 2 ft above the screen horizontal center-line and dead nuts centered on the vertical line. Major seating is at 15 ft but adjustable.
I have recently purchased an Epson 5030UB.
In setting things up, I zoomed out and realized I could fit a larger screen if I didn’t have all of the Electriscreen header stuff.
It appears that I could easily fit (Using a 3.375” edge Luxus Deluxe Screen Wall) a 76”x 135” (viewable area) screen. Wow.

My wife now agrees that we don’t really need a retractable screen. (!)
1. Can I grow the screen (Quality wise)?
2. Is it worth it to grow the screen? (Impact wise)
3. As G2 is no longer made, what should I use?
4. Is there any market to sell my existing screen? (I have kept all the original packaging.)

Really appreciate your sensible guidance!
That's a huge jump in square footage. Have you considered what that's going to do to your image brightness? That's a big screen, maybe your PJ already has enough horsepower (lumens), but that's the #1 consideration I'd say.

Brightness (ftL) = Lumens / screen area (ft2) * screen gain (for you about 1.1 to 1.2)

That's a 31% larger screen. It will be roughly 75% as bright as it is now all other things equal.

If you are happy with the Firehawk, the G4 is basically the same screen. Not much difference properties wise IMO, so you can stick with that.
Edited by GetGray - 1/19/14 at 10:21am
post #1747 of 1855
Good point GetGray,
I have been advised that one easy way to test the new image on a larger screen is to zoom out until I reach the "new" screen dimensions.
What would be viewed on my G2 screen would be the image quality/ brightness I would have with a larger screen.
Sounds reasonable?
post #1748 of 1855
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Originally Posted by martinw View Post

Good point GetGray,
I have been advised that one easy way to test the new image on a larger screen is to zoom out until I reach the "new" screen dimensions.
What would be viewed on my G2 screen would be the image quality/ brightness I would have with a larger screen.
Sounds reasonable?
Exactly. Zoom and focus as if your screen was the new size. That will demo the image brightness spread to the proposed dimensions. You lose some of the peripheral effects of having more light, albeit dimmer on screen luminance, but you'll get the feel for the overall brightness and if you'll be happy with it. There's also some effect of the screens directionality depending on the viewing angles from your side seats to the new, now more obtuse angle sides. I use a curved Firehawk which helps in that regard.
post #1749 of 1855
Off topic: Does anyone here have the Cima "Below Ceiling" Electricscreen? I am close to ordering one, but since there is not much documentation available, I was wondering how they get mounted and what the electrical is like out of the box? Do these things plug directly into an outlet or come spliced?
post #1750 of 1855
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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Exactly. Zoom and focus as if your screen was the new size. That will demo the image brightness spread to the proposed dimensions. You lose some of the peripheral effects of having more light, albeit dimmer on screen luminance, but you'll get the feel for the overall brightness and if you'll be happy with it. There's also some effect of the screens directionality depending on the viewing angles from your side seats to the new, now more obtuse angle sides. I use a curved Firehawk which helps in that regard.

Thanks for the reply.
Ok, did it.
Brightness still looks very good. Excited to see the size! Wow.
Do you recommend a curved screen? Is there a "standard" curve? Any disadvantages?
post #1751 of 1855
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Originally Posted by martinw View Post

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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Exactly. Zoom and focus as if your screen was the new size. That will demo the image brightness spread to the proposed dimensions. You lose some of the peripheral effects of having more light, albeit dimmer on screen luminance, but you'll get the feel for the overall brightness and if you'll be happy with it. There's also some effect of the screens directionality depending on the viewing angles from your side seats to the new, now more obtuse angle sides. I use a curved Firehawk which helps in that regard.

Thanks for the reply.
Ok, did it.
Brightness still looks very good. Excited to see the size! Wow.
Do you recommend a curved screen? Is there a "standard" curve? Any disadvantages?
Pros and cons. Shoot me a PM and I'll help.
post #1752 of 1855

Is the Stewart Cima Neve 110" motorized for $2839.98 a good deal?

post #1753 of 1855
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Originally Posted by abominable1 View Post

Off topic: Does anyone here have the Cima "Below Ceiling" Electricscreen? I am close to ordering one, but since there is not much documentation available, I was wondering how they get mounted and what the electrical is like out of the box? Do these things plug directly into an outlet or come spliced?

Power cord is wired up and ready to...plug n play. Mounted on a wall bracket. Hope that helps!
post #1754 of 1855
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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Pros and cons. Shoot me a PM and I'll help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

That's a huge jump in square footage. Have you considered what that's going to do to your image brightness? That's a big screen, maybe your PJ already has enough horsepower (lumens), but that's the #1 consideration I'd say.

Brightness (ftL) = Lumens / screen area (ft2) * screen gain (for you about 1.1 to 1.2)

That's a 31% larger screen. It will be roughly 75% as bright as it is now all other things equal.

If you are happy with the Firehawk, the G4 is basically the same screen. Not much difference properties wise IMO, so you can stick with that.

Thank you GetGray!
I'm going to go with the larger screen.

Now will sell my existing set up:
Stewart Filmscreen Luxus Model A 'Classic' Electriscreen
Image Size: 66" x 118" (135" diagonal) FireHawk
InfraRed Remote Control -- Model#: IRR
Listing it in the classified section....
post #1755 of 1855
All,

I am about to purchase my first projector and screen. Looks like I will be buying a JVC X500 or X700 along with a Stewart electriscreen. I am still trying to determine which screen material to specify. My projector is about 18 ft from the screen and the screen will be 120" scope. First row of seating places eye to screen distance at 13.5ft.

I was originally looking at the Studiotek 100 but was concerned that the screen would reflect too much light onto my 14ft wide room since it has such a wide viewing angle (disperses light in a wide band).

What about the new Firehawk G4 or Studiotek 130? The room is a dedicated theater room with total light control. I don't want to see texture or sparkles. If possible it would be nice to be able to watch the screen (college football) with some light on but.... I don't want to sacrifice the quality of the full - lights out - movie experience as I can just watch sports on my existing plasma which is behind the drop down screen.
post #1756 of 1855
I have the Studiotek 130 G3 and rarely see sparkles...so that is a non factor for me. Lense height to screen may impact the degree sparkles are seen though. ST130 has a very fine texture surface so that's also a non factor (even for a 4k projector). Totally light controlled with no lights on viewing...I would go ST130. How dark are your walls and ceiling? The darker the better for the 130.
Edited by G-Rex - 1/22/14 at 4:28pm
post #1757 of 1855

How much are these G4 and studiotek 130?

post #1758 of 1855
Give Mike G. at AVS a call for prices.
post #1759 of 1855
Quote:
I have the Studiotek 130 G3 and rarely see sparkles...so that is a non factor for me. Lense height to screen may impact the degree sparkles are seen though. ST130 has a very fine texture surface so that's also a non factor (even for a 4k projector). Totally light controlled with no lights on viewing...I would go ST130. How dark are your walls and ceiling? The darker the better for the 130.

Same here - screen texture and sheen are minimal on my ST 130 G3. Slightly less on the Neve 1.1 .
post #1760 of 1855
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Originally Posted by G-Rex View Post

I have the Studiotek 130 G3 and rarely see sparkles...so that is a non factor for me. Lense height to screen may impact the degree sparkles are seen though. ST130 has a very fine texture surface so that's also a non factor (even for a 4k projector). Totally light controlled with no lights on viewing...I would go ST130. How dark are your walls and ceiling? The darker the better for the 130.

G-Rex,
Walls and ceiling are a medium, matte blue and I will need to use most of the vertical offset for the RS57 or RS4910.

Anyone know if using more of the vertical offset will reduce the image sharpness? Surely it has some effect on the image.

I have been working with Mike at AVS and he recommended the Studiotek 130 as well.

post #1761 of 1855
Mike is right, the ST130 will perform very well in that theater...which is very nice by the way.
post #1762 of 1855
G-Rex,

Thanks for the nice comments. The movie room addition is one of the best things we have done to the house. I can't wait to get the projector up as I have lived with the "tiny" 65" plasma for two years now. smile.gif

Any thoughts on whether the drop down electric screen will start to stretch over time and start to distort the image or approximately how long I can expect the screen to provide a tight, flat surface?
post #1763 of 1855
I've owned nothing but electric screens and have never had one stretch or distort. You should expect it to last 15 or more years. You'll go through a couple of projectors in that time!
post #1764 of 1855
As Craig says, they last a long time. Stewart also uses very high quality (quiet) motors, so motors rarely fail here as evidenced by a lack of posts. I would also leave the screen down quite often. The more the screen is used/or in this unrolled position...the longer it will last without any wrinkles. So leave it down overnight at least 2 nights a week. I have a HP 2.4 electric that drops down 1" in front of the fixed ST130. Whenever I use the HP, I leave it down at least overnight. Not sure if this applies to tab tensioned screens as well, but I would figure it does. My HP is not tab tensioned.

Have you looked at the Sony 500/600 4K projector...I would consider it as well. It is a bit more future proof being 4K.
Edited by G-Rex - 1/23/14 at 4:12am
post #1765 of 1855
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Originally Posted by gdfein View Post

Is anyone familiar with the Stewart Sabre frames? Haven't seen any posts on these here. Curious if there are any experiences with them and if the Sabre frame can be done in the usual materials, specifically FH G4 and STK 130 are the two I'm considering. Think I might like the slimmer profile screen as opposed to the Luxus Deluxe.

Appreciate any info.

I will let you know in a week... :-)

I was looking at "zero edge" models from SI and DnP, as I'm going to fly the screen. After much contemplation and searching I found the SFS Sabre. I ordered mine with the FH G4 material. FYI- The screen is shipped fully assembled, so transport cost was pretty significant.
post #1766 of 1855

Hello:

 

I am interested in buying a SONY VPL-VW500/600ES projector (4k 3D) to work with a Stewart screen, either Studiotek 130 G3 or Firehawk G4. I love 3D, although I do not have a lot of 3D movies to begin with. But I also have to deal with ambinent light, as I have a lot of windows and all walls and ceilings are matt white.

 

I have been told that for perfect 3D, you need a white high gain screen in a light controlled environment, which is not possible for me. I really love the Firehawk G4 (note that this is a 4k-ready G4 screen so I assume it is more advanced than Studiotek 130 G3). But I am not sure if the 500/600ES (marketed as 1800 lumen) is bright enough for Firehawk G4 with a gain of 1.1? (Firehawk G3 has a gain of 1.3 but is no longer offered.)

 

My screen will be 16:9, 110" diaganol and 96" width. Your suggestion would be really important! Should I choose the newer generation Firehawk G4 (1.1 gain), or 2005-launched Studiotek 130 G3 (1.3 gain) screen?

 

Thank you very much!

 

PS: I need pull-down screen and SI's Black Diamond is too large to fit, so it is out of the question.

post #1767 of 1855
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PS: I need pull-down screen and SI's Black Diamond is too large to fit, so it is out of the question.

You need an electric screen ( Stewart doesn't make a " pull down screen " )? If so, why not get one of each?
post #1768 of 1855
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post


You need an electric screen ( Stewart doesn't make a " pull down screen " )? If so, why not get one of each?

I am electric or manual pull-down screen. Actually, Stewart has a Luxus Communicator (under their commercial line) which is exactly the same with Luxus Model A except that it is manual. Due to space constraints, I cannot choose SI Black Diamond II, nor putting two screens.

 

Thank you Craig.

post #1769 of 1855
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Originally Posted by ggo16 View Post

Hello:

I am interested in buying a SONY VPL-VW500/600ES projector (4k 3D) to work with a Stewart screen, either Studiotek 130 G3 or Firehawk G4. I love 3D, although I do not have a lot of 3D movies to begin with. But I also have to deal with ambinent light, as I have a lot of windows and all walls and ceilings are matt white.

I have been told that for perfect 3D, you need a white high gain screen in a light controlled environment, which is not possible for me. I really love the Firehawk G4 (note that this is a 4k-ready G4 screen so I assume it is more advanced than Studiotek 130 G3). But I am not sure if the 500/600ES (marketed as 1800 lumen) is bright enough for Firehawk G4 with a gain of 1.1? (Firehawk G3 has a gain of 1.3 but is no longer offered.)

My screen will be 16:9, 110" diaganol and 96" width. Your suggestion would be really important! Should I choose the newer generation Firehawk G4 (1.1 gain), or 2005-launched Studiotek 130 G3 (1.3 gain) screen?

Thank you very much!

PS: I need pull-down screen and SI's Black Diamond is too large to fit, so it is out of the question.

This is the exact setup I'm getting... I'm throwing to a 113" screen at 17 ft. After much contemplation, research, and handwringing, I decided on the FH G4. I'll let you know how it works in a week or so. However, I'm not as concerned with 3D as you seem to be. I had narrowed my choices to SI- Black Diamond, DnP SuperNova, and the FH before going with the FH. Since you need a pull down, your choice is more limited. Although I think SI is doing a drop down BD now... I could be wrong.

Happy Hunting!
post #1770 of 1855
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Originally Posted by J.T. Guitar View Post


This is the exact setup I'm getting... I'm throwing to a 113" screen at 17 ft. After much contemplation, research, and handwringing, I decided on the FH G4. I'll let you know how it works in a week or so. However, I'm not as concerned with 3D as you seem to be. I had narrowed my choices to SI- Black Diamond, DnP SuperNova, and the FH before going with the FH. Since you need a pull down, your choice is more limited. Although I think SI is doing a drop down BD now... I could be wrong.

Happy Hunting!

Great!! Thank you! I look forward to hearing from you when you have the gears setup and running!

 

I think among the three screens you've made the right choice...I'm quite skeptical about SI BD II...And seening Firehawk in person it was amazing. Your throw distance is a bit far I think? Mine would be around 145-150". I can do either pull down or electric, since the screen will be mounted to a place where I can easily reach, I just think that pull-down will save money and effort of running wiring...

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