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post #151 of 6453
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Originally Posted by etavadia View Post

4. PC resolution is 1280x760 (Native) but is slightly mushy. 1024x768 looks perfect
ET

Weird that native looks mushy... but native is 720, no?

How did you like black levels?

Neko
post #152 of 6453
I would send it back if it has a VB problem. You are the first member to report this. The HDMI port not workin is a strange problem. What are your sources? It could be a handshake problem from the source.
post #153 of 6453
If the Vertical Banding is tolorable your Mercury HD needs a good home. Check is written, (lot's of zero's) envelope stamped... already to go.

EDIT: Better yet Tom, how about 5 AE900's with no VB and 2 World Series tickets ??
post #154 of 6453
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Originally Posted by Pultzar View Post

What tweaks did you do?

I have the AVR DVD. It allows to adjust black level, contrast, brightness, tint and sharpness. I use it on all my TVs. I haven't gotten into any of the other heavy duty tweaks like the 700 yet.

As for black levels, it seems to be a bit better than the 700. Not by much. I'll be watching Hitchhikers Guide..tonight and will let you know what I think.

Later,
ET
post #155 of 6453
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Originally Posted by MRJAZZZ View Post

Just got the PANY 900, sorry to report my unit has this issue. Does any one know how to get into the service menu to try and tweak this, also my HDMI port is not working.

CHEERS, TC

I am no expert by no means but I would contact your dealer just to make them aware of the issue, talk to them about how long you can wait before a return, if you get the right answers from them, I would let the bulb break in 30 hours or so and then see if the problem fades away so to speak.

This is where a good dealer is a must and worth every extra dollar you might have paid them.
post #156 of 6453
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Originally Posted by KuroNeko View Post

Weird that native looks mushy... but native is 720, no?

How did you like black levels?

Neko


You're right, native is 720 but for some reason it looks a bit mushy. The same thing happened on my 700. I've even tried to hook my hdmi-->dvi into my PC and that looks horrible on both units. The VGA cable is what I'm using for now. Any ideas there. My cable is an HDMI to DVI cable. No converter on either end.
post #157 of 6453
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Originally Posted by etavadia View Post

You're right, native is 720 but for some reason it looks a bit mushy. The same thing happened on my 700. I've even tried to hook my hdmi-->dvi into my PC and that looks horrible on both units.

If your PC is sending PC levels and the projectors are expecting video levels (which HDMI inputs really should be), then the the blacks and whites should be crushed. You would need to raise the brightness and lower the contrast from the PC or adjust them on the projector (although some detail may be crushed that way), but I'm not sure if the mushiness is related to that or something else.

I believe there are some test patterns for determining whether you are getting 1:1 mapping with 1280x720 from the PC.

--Darin
post #158 of 6453
Not a handshake issue, as three other units have no problem hand shaking. I too was some what surprised at the VB, as all the buzz on this new unit was around the fact that they have all but eliminated the VB. Perhaps my unit is just an anomoly. My older Z3 , and SONY HS51 have no such issues. Unit going back tomorrow, however just thought if any one new how to get into the service menu, perhaps I coud have a go at fixing that issue.

CHEERS, TC
post #159 of 6453
You just might have gotten one with a problem. It does seem strange that you have had both problems when others did not. It just may be an anomoly.
post #160 of 6453
Is the hdmi input better? Dvi with only 8-bits could that enlarge signs of VB? 700 owners recommend to turn the projector off, no no to standby mode.
post #161 of 6453
How bad is it?

Mine has a slight VB that others said would qualify as "not existing" by most people since it is so slight. I'm going to try and tweak it in the flicker menu tonight (which I just found out about). Apparently you go to the OSD menu and then hold the enter button down.
post #162 of 6453
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Originally Posted by etavadia View Post

4. PC resolution is 1280x760 (Native) but is slightly mushy. 1024x768 looks perfect and crisp.

In order for native 1280x720 to look correct over HDMI, you have to turn off an "OVERSCAN" option that can be found in the menus someplace. I don't remember exactly where it is, but doing this gave me 1:1 pixel mapping over HDMI from my HTPC. Before doing this things looked aweful as it was cropping and scaling the image.
post #163 of 6453
Here we go again. Shades of a year ago when the 700 was brand new.

Question:

How bad is is your VB?

What do you notice it on?
post #164 of 6453
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Originally Posted by Ohlson View Post

Is the hdmi input better? Dvi with only 8-bits could that enlarge signs of VB? 700 owners recommend to turn the projector off, no no to standby mode.

I have a DVI/DVI cable inside the wall. But if I put DVI-to-HDMI adaptors on both ends, does it make the cable HDMI, n can I get 10-bit signal across ???

post #165 of 6453
Got my screen today (90" Insta-Theater) and watched various DVDs via component. In a word, it rocks. No screendoor unless you walk up to the screen. Color in Cinema 1 and Cinema 2 is pretty much spot on depending on your taste.
Contrast is the best I have ever seen on a LCD though I have not seen many HT LCDs, mostly installation stuff.

I'm not sure what VB or FPN described looks like, but I saw no visual "artifacts" of any kind (other than source stuff). I look at some Avia test patterns and noticed nothing either.

I watched a couple of my films that I know how they looked when shot on camera and exactly what the levels were. Projector was spot on.

Watched about 20 minutes of Episode IV - amazing, image looked almost like HD blacks are good to outstanding - Vader's helmet, uniform, dark cloth on other imperials rendered well. Only some complex deep shadows exposed a little "LCD" muddiness. But I've seen DLP's struggle with the same blacks. And it might have been source as well.

Plenty bright in my living room at night, even with kitchen light on. Basically, the projecter exceeds 95% of most source material I tried.

I see rainbows and find them annoying, especially in B&W movies, so LCD was my only option. I think I made an excellent choice.
post #166 of 6453
Thanks for the review, the AE900 is looking better and better... (I've gotta say, I'm leaning more towards the 900 than the TW600... Hopefully I'll see them both this weekend.)

NilsP
PS.
2.18 by vending machines? Really?
post #167 of 6453
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Originally Posted by stephenvv View Post

Got my screen today (90" Insta-Theater) and watched various DVDs via component. In a word, it rocks. No screendoor unless you walk up to the screen. Color in Cinema 1 and Cinema 2 is pretty much spot on depending on your taste.
Contrast is the best I have ever seen on a LCD though I have not seen many HT LCDs, mostly installation stuff.
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Watched about 20 minutes of Episode IV - amazing, image looked almost like HD blacks are good to outstanding - Vader's helmet, uniform, dark cloth on other imperials rendered well. Only some complex deep shadows exposed a little "LCD" muddiness. But I've seen DLP's struggle with the same blacks. And it might have been source as well.

Stephen, what screen did you go for in your Da-Lite Insta-Theatre? Im looking at getting that screen, in the 73" diagonal, and im still very undecided on whether to get a High Matte White, or a High contrast sgrey or something?? Im concerned that the Insta-Theatre says it has a 2.2 gain and to me that sounds way way too high. Im looking for a gain somewhere in the region of 0.8 - 1.2, but realistictly id prefer to have a 1.1 gain i think, on a seamless Matt White screen

Any input is appreciated

Thanks
Chris
post #168 of 6453
I think a good screen match for this projector would be the Cinema Vision by da-lite, as opposed to the High Contrast Cinema Vision. My conern with the HCCV is the picture may loose some of it's punch.

My original LCD proj. was the Sanyo PLV-60, which was very bright. I paired that with the HCCV screen material. Very good combo because the it's such a bright projector, I didn't miss toning down the brightest to gain in contrast and blacks.

When I went to the Yamaha LPX-510, the image was way too dark in the typical cinema modes used for better blacks combined with the HCCV screen material. So I changed the screen material to the CV and was very happy with the results. I still had solid blacks, but didn't loose the punch of the color/brightness....alowing me to use the cinema black modes from the proj.

Ron
post #169 of 6453
Hi, my screen needs to be a portable one, ideally something like the Draper Road Warrior. I only want to project a 73" diagonal image (16:9) from a distance of around 2.5 metres. I'll be viewing it from around 2 metres slightly off-set (30 degrees) to the right of the screen.

I currently use a very cheap silver screen for my Panny 500, which gives an ok contrast ratio. But id really really like to have spot on deep blacks and an overall good image. I am considering the Draper Road Warrior in either High Contrast Grey, or the Matte White 1.1 Gain screen. The room will always be blackened for movie viewing.

Thanks
Chris
post #170 of 6453
hey mr jazz since you have both the hs51 and ae900, a quick question. Which has better black levels and contrast? thanks in advance jeff
post #171 of 6453
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Originally Posted by Oriphus View Post

Stephen, what screen did you go for in your Da-Lite Insta-Theatre? Im looking at getting that screen, in the 73" diagonal, and im still very undecided on whether to get a High Matte White, or a High contrast sgrey or something?? Im concerned that the Insta-Theatre says it has a 2.2 gain and to me that sounds way way too high. Im looking for a gain somewhere in the region of 0.8 - 1.2, but realistictly id prefer to have a 1.1 gain i think, on a seamless Matt White screen

Any input is appreciated

Thanks
Chris

Chris, I only had budget for one screen and since my projector has to do triple duty, including showings in rooms with ambient light when I take my films around to screen, I chose a high gain screen rather than a business grade 3000 lumen projector

Of course, I have nothing to compare it to, but I don't think I lost too much contrast with the screen. The fact that the image look so good on a high gain screen is impressive.

When I have more budget, I will probably replace with a matte white screen in 1.2 range myself.
post #172 of 6453
It seems that the Optoma GreyHawk is recommended by many on the Sanyo Z4 thread.

It should also be great with the Panasonic.
post #173 of 6453
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

It seems that the Optoma GreyHawk is recommended by many on the Sanyo Z4 thread.

It should also be great with the Panasonic.

It is, but it might take you a few screens to get a good one as their packaging is poor and most come with the frame dented. I'm about to go for screen #3 now.

I'm still working with calibration of different settings on the AE900, but I have to say that if you don't have calibration equipment, stick with Cinema 1 or 2. The others are too far off in color temp, gamma and greyscale IMO.
post #174 of 6453
Mike, Can't wait for your settings. I am nearly readly to purchase a AE900. I previously had a 700 with a filter which I sold. I have a 90" matt white screen which I got from a friend who is a large manufacturer for professional movie theatre screens in NY. It seems to work well with the 700 and I think it should be fine with the 900 I am only waiting for a few more reviews before I pull the trigger.

Thanks for your great posts.
post #175 of 6453
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

I have a 90" matt white screen which I got from a friend who is a large manufacturer for professional movie theatre screens in NY. It seems to work well with the 700 and I think it should be fine with the 900 I am only waiting for a few more reviews before I pull the trigger.

Thanks for your great posts.

You're welcome. I also have a 92" matte white screen behind the pull-down GreyWolf that I'm using as well. As much as I like the GreyWolf's ambient light performance and black levels, the matte white is great in a light controlled room (which I have).
post #176 of 6453
Here is a review of the AE900U:

Projector Reviews Panasonic PT AE900U
post #177 of 6453
Thanks, but that review was posted about a week ago. I am waiting for the reviews on Cine4home and Projector Central.
post #178 of 6453
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Originally Posted by MikeSRC View Post

I'm still working with calibration of different settings on the AE900, but I have to say that if you don't have calibration equipment, stick with Cinema 1 or 2. The others are too far off in color temp, gamma and greyscale IMO.

So the Normal mode requires quite a bit of calibration. Are you getting any feeling as to whether or not the Normal mode has the potential for significantly greater light output as compared to Cinema 1?
post #179 of 6453
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Originally Posted by MikeSRC View Post

It is, but it might take you a few screens to get a good one as their packaging is poor and most come with the frame dented. I'm about to go for screen #3 now.

I'm still working with calibration of different settings on the AE900, but I have to say that if you don't have calibration equipment, stick with Cinema 1 or 2. The others are too far off in color temp, gamma and greyscale IMO.

So far I prefer Cinema2 to Cinema1 for it's slightly brighter image, not much but just enough. Also not much of a difference between low lamp and high lamp, so I use low.
Compared to the 700, I see the 900 as a 700 done right!

dc
post #180 of 6453
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

I think a good screen match for this projector would be the Cinema Vision by da-lite, as opposed to the High Contrast Cinema Vision. My conern with the HCCV is the picture may loose some of it's punch.

My original LCD proj. was the Sanyo PLV-60, which was very bright. I paired that with the HCCV screen material. Very good combo because the it's such a bright projector, I didn't miss toning down the brightest to gain in contrast and blacks.

When I went to the Yamaha LPX-510, the image was way too dark in the typical cinema modes used for better blacks combined with the HCCV screen material. So I changed the screen material to the CV and was very happy with the results. I still had solid blacks, but didn't loose the punch of the color/brightness....alowing me to use the cinema black modes from the proj.

Ron

Interesting...I have the Epson Cinema 500 with a HCCV screen and dont find the image to be way too dark and I have it in cinema black setting.
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