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post #61 of 549
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Originally Posted by mlandau View Post

Excuse my ignorance, but I can't figure how to record channels of 80 and higher from my cable system. I have the cable box hooked up to the recorder with S video and stereo sound. I also have the cable from the wall split to the cable box and the recorder (that was the only way I could get the setup to find any channels). But, when I try to schedule a recording to, for example channel 80, the recorder doesn't know 80 and won't accept such. I do realize I will have to have the cable box channel set to the channel I want to record.

thanks for the help

You'll have to use manual timer recording for any channel that isn't carried on the analog cable. Just set the recorder to record from L1 and set the start time and end time. Set the STB to turn on at the correct time and to tune to the channel that you want to record.
post #62 of 549
thanks.
post #63 of 549
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Originally Posted by mlandau View Post

Excuse my ignorance, but I can't figure how to record channels of 80 and higher from my cable system. I have the cable box hooked up to the recorder with S video and stereo sound. I also have the cable from the wall split to the cable box and the recorder (that was the only way I could get the setup to find any channels). But, when I try to schedule a recording to, for example channel 80, the recorder doesn't know 80 and won't accept such. I do realize I will have to have the cable box channel set to the channel I want to record.

thanks for the help

The highest double digit channel I have is 82, and it works fine on the ES20. I do remember a few years ago that a channel number in the 80s/90s had a different number on the VCR. I am not an expert on cable systems, but maybe there is a legacy issue with those numbers?
post #64 of 549
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Originally Posted by Bill1313 View Post

"FR" Record Mode

Hate to say it, but this is one of the reasons that everytime you buy "Any" new product before the 30 day return policy is up on it you should TEST Every Little Feature or Thing that you can think of out on it.

I know it can be a pain to find the time sometimes to totally check a product out but it really is a situation where You Have To Make The Time or Get Stuck With What You Bought!

That's one of the reasons boards like this can be so helpful to people who just don't have the time & I really apreciate Test Reports & Info like ncaahoops is giving us here.

That's absolutely true. And sometimes you don't even know it until someone mentions something else (like the ES10 owner did above), and then you realize that a feature was actually removed! I didn't mind the other differences between the ES10 and the ES20 (or the Pioneer 2xx) but had I known about this at purchase time, it would have probably titled the scales towards the ES10 or the Pioneer 22x/23x.

This and the lack of -RW(VR) are my biggest issues with the ES20 as of this moment. Panasonic are you reading this?
post #65 of 549
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Originally Posted by greenpaw View Post

OK, quick update (for those keeping score at home )

I recorded from my VHS source on to a DVD-R and then finalized my disc and it DID create 5 minute chapters and there is NO pause between the chapters. I'm ok with that, I mean it would be great to be able to create the chapters myself like you can using DVD RAM media, but I can live with this. The picture and sound are great.

Every review I read on this recorder pointed out that you cannot create chapters on DVD +/- R discs. I understood that to mean that when you record on that type of media, it will result in ONE long chapter, meaning you would have to literally fast forward to jump ahead on the disc (like a VHS tape) But that is not the case at all.

Again, I'm a complete newbie here, this is my first DVD rcorder, first disc I ever tried to make, so it's all new to me.

Also, for anyone who bought this DVD recorder between Nov 20, 2005 and Dec 31, 2005....here's a $50 rebate!

There are many media formats and that can be confusing. On top of that, Panasonic treats the +R like a -R format. And then there's the difference between -RW(Video) and -RW(VR).

I think when most people say you can't create chapters they imply "unless you finalize the disc" and they mean "you can't create a chapter of your own". On the ES20 the only time you have control over chapter quantity and positioning is when using DVD-RAM discs.
post #66 of 549
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Originally Posted by NWFL View Post

You guys rock. If only the goofballs at Best Buy and Fry's knew as much as you.

I've never used a DVR, and much of this conversation seems like a foreign language. Am I reading this correctly - the ES20 has no advantages over the ES10 and offers FEWER features (can't pause during commercials, lacks "SHORTEN TITLE feature, etc.)

What is the "SHORTEN TITLE" feature?

It sounds like the Pioneer 533 is the best choice - comparable to the ES10 with a better and more responsive remote control - correct?


I have hundreds of football games on VHS. I want to copy them to DVD to save space. I want to add "chapters" at the beginning of each quarter and possibly the scoring plays.

Other uses would be to compile hours of "home movies" to DVD. Maybe I'll add subtitles (names, dates, events) to the footage.

My 1 year old computer has a DVD burner. Would I be better off just doing this on my computer? If so, can you recommend any software?

The ES10 has more features than the ES20. The ES20 is lighter weight-wise and has a fan. The most glaring omission from the ES20 in my opinion is the ability to pause during FR recording.

The Pioneer 220/225/233 are comparable to the ES10. I am not familiar with the 533 probably because it either has a VCR or a hard disk or costs over $200. I didn't look into those models

"Shorten title" is like pruning a part of the recording. It can also be done using chapters. However, with the Panasonic ES10 and ES20 the only time you have direct control over chapters is when using DVD-RAM discs, which are more expensive than -RW or +/-R.

As far as sports are concerned, DVD recorders (because of MPEG compression) are not as good as VHS tapes at the 6hr mode. This one depends on your individual preferences. Some people only record 2 hours per DVD to avoid MPEG compression artifacts and things like macroblocking. I am not very picky, I can go up to 4hr 40 mins per disc. Anything longer gets too hazy/smoothed out even for me. I don't know how the Pioneers do, but some people claim they don't have as much macroblocking as Panasonic at the 4hr LP mode.

I don't use computers with DVDs so I can't answer any of the other questions, but with PCs you get a lot more editing choices and flexibility.
post #67 of 549
Does anyone know why the stores only seem to carry the silver version of the es20? I had made up my mind to get the es20, but I'd really like a black one.

The only place I've seen the black one is online & by the time you pay shipping it just doesn't seem worth the extra $ just for a color difference. Has *anyone* seen the black model locally?
post #68 of 549
gbalight, Crutchfield on-line has the Black model but it's $199.99

I don't know where your from but I'm pretty sure BrandsMart USA in South FL & Atlanta, GA has the Black Model.

The best place to look in your local area is stores that are not competing against Best Buy, Circuit City, Sears & Etc.

They will tend to carry the odd ball models that the Big boys won't & if you fight with them you usually can get them to come down to some where near the price of what the the Big boys want.

Maybe if you gave Panasonic a call & asked for the distric manager's phone number in your area he could help you out & probably better than anyone else & you might even be able to get the salesman's name & number for your area.

Years back Sears once dug up the name & phone number of the local rep for the area for me & he told me exactly where to go to buy the product I was after.

I would also try a seperate post asking this question rather than just burried in this thread.
post #69 of 549
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Originally Posted by ncaahoops View Post

* Noise Reduction is available for Line-In inputs only


I must be blind, but where do you go for the Noise Reduction Settings?
post #70 of 549
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Originally Posted by greenpaw View Post

I must be blind, but where do you go for the Noise Reduction Settings?

Panasonic didn't place them at the best of locations. When you press the [Display] button on the remote, one of the options that apperas on the screen is [Line-IN NR] - it applies noise reduction to the Line-In inputs (for recording). Another option is [MPEG-DNR], which is playback NR - it does not affect teh recording. The options displayed depend on the type of disc that's in the drive. If the disc is an off-the-shelf DVD or finalized you get different things than if you have a DVD-RAM disc inserted. There also appears to be a minor bug when writing to a fresh DVD-R/+R for the first time where some of the options may not be displayed after the recording finishes and TimeSlip does not work. This is easily cured by either opening/closing the tray or the power off/on or waking up after a Timer recording.

I haven't tested this but maybe if you don't have anything connected to the Line IN inputs, maybe the LineIN NR option is not displayed?

I believe the MPEG-DNR is almost always available. The LineIN NR option cannot be changed while a recording is in progress.
post #71 of 549
Best Buy has the ES20 on sale, plus there is a $50 rebate. I did not see any tie-ins with any
post #72 of 549
Best Buy has the ES20 on sale, either on-line or in store, plus there is a $50 rebate. I did not see any tie-ins with any other required purchases.

Mike
post #73 of 549
ncaahoops,

Regarding your Comcast DVR. I have read other postings where some people feel that regular analog channels received on the DVR, even thou you are watching live, look worse than if received by your cable ready TV or a regular cable box. The thought is that everything that comes into the DVR is converted to MPEG-2 since it goes to the hard drive. In other words, all Standard Def analog gets converted to MPEG-2, thus degrading the picture.

1) Do you feel watching thru the DVR looks works than if viewed without the DVR?

2) Could some of the artifacts that you are observing be caused from downloading a MPEG-2 video from the DVR and re-converting it again to MPEG-2 when recording to the ES20? In other words a double conversion.

I'd like to get a DVD recorder with a HDD, but there are just too many postings with EPG problems on just about every model. Kind of defeats the purpose for recording while you are away. And since there is a $50 rebate on the ES20, I may just get one.

Mike
post #74 of 549
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

ncaahoops,

Regarding your Comcast DVR. I have read other postings where some people feel that regular analog channels received on the DVR, even thou you are watching live, look worse than if received by your cable ready TV or a regular cable box. The thought is that everything that comes into the DVR is converted to MPEG-2 since it goes to the hard drive. In other words, all Standard Def analog gets converted to MPEG-2, thus degrading the picture.

1) Do you feel watching thru the DVR looks works than if viewed without the DVR?

My setup is kinda messy, with generic cables, and switches/splitters, and an old TV, so I can't really make a distinction unless there is something that screams (eg macroblocking, haze, smoothing, etc). I did notice fewer artifacts if I record live to the ES20 rather than record on the DVR first (the double compression effect). I am assuming that the DVR converts/saves everything to MPEG2, otherwise it wouldn't be able to pause/rewind at any given moment. Some of the LP macroblocking of the ES20 is triggered by the compression of the DVR recording. Similar recordings made directly to the ES20 have fewer artifacts - they may still have some macroblockign but it is even less pronounced.

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2) Could some of the artifacts that you are observing be caused from downloading a MPEG-2 video from the DVR and re-converting it again to MPEG-2 when recording to the ES20? In other words a double conversion.

That seems consistent with my experience. Some artifacts seem to be introduced by the Comcast DVR compression - granted they don't advertise that their DVR is using a lossless format, but it's supposed to be an XP/SP mode. They advertise up to 60 hours of analog channels on a 120GB hard disc, but in practice, it is 33 hours (1 hour of analog TV is ALWAYS 3% of the hard disc, 3 hours are 9%, etc). The digital channels range from 1% to 3% per hour. Some digital channels are consistently at 1%, which is a bit better than their estimate of 90 hours. The HD channels seem to suffer the least from compression.


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I'd like to get a DVD recorder with a HDD, but there are just too many postings with EPG problems on just about every model. Kind of defeats the purpose for recording while you are away. And since there is a $50 rebate on the ES20, I may just get one.
Mike

Do they have EPG problems if you only use manual recording? Although it is convinient to use the EPG-style, there are times when I am fighting with the stupid DVR interface, and it has some bugs (eg ghost programs that refuse to be deleted and Comcast CSRs that don't seem to be interested in acknowledging/fixing them).

My master plan is to replace the DVR with a HDD-based model, and then I can use the HDD-model along with the ES20 so I can record two things at once. The only thing they can't do is record digital channels using the RF tuner, and about half of what I watch is digital channels.
post #75 of 549
Hello,

I'm new to the site and was referred here by a friend. I recently bought the Panasonic ES20. It's a great recorder, but I'm really bummed out about the 5 minute auto chapter insert. I think it should let you randomly place your chapters in all the formats, not just DVD-RAM. I record a lot of concert video, so I don't like the idea of a chapter starting in the middle of a song.

I have thought about sending this recorder back to Crutchfield in exchange for the EH-50 with the built in hard drive. From what I understand, you can insert chapters in -RW discs and the HD and not just -RAM like the ES20. I have heard (from a tech at Crutchfield) that the 5 minute insert rule still applies to the -R/+R discs, but a friend of mine who owns this recorder says that is not true unless you are high-speed dubbing from the HD.

Can any of you tell me if the EH-50 will let me randomly place chapters with -RW/-R/+R discs as it can with -RAM discs? If not, and it's the same as the ES-20, can you recommend a recorder that just as good as the Panasonics that will allow me this feature?

Thank you for the help and any suggestions.
post #76 of 549
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Originally Posted by Yesfan70 View Post

Hello,

I'm new to the site and was referred here by a friend. I recently bought the Panasonic ES20. It's a great recorder, but I'm really bummed out about the 5 minute auto chapter insert. I think it should let you randomly place your chapters in all the formats, not just DVD-RAM. I record a lot of concert video, so I don't like the idea of a chapter starting in the middle of a song.

I agree with you that the user should have direct control over chapter placement or non-placement. To make it even less predictable, the chapter length depends on the recording mode. While it is uniform within the disc, it is not always 5-minutes. They are using some formula to calculate it.

I don't know if the chapter restriction is a format restriction or they just don't want to offer it.

I am not familiar with the HD-based models, so I can't answer those questions.

Your nickname has triggered a certain Yes song to playback in my head :-)
post #77 of 549
ncaahoops,

The HD channels are probably OK with the DVR because they are already MPEG-2.

With the HDD models, probably no EPG problems if using manually recording. But the popular Pioneer 531/533/633 disables the RF input if you choose timer recording, from what I have read. There are a lot of postings regarding EPG work arounds, but recording reliability is an issue. The 531 can be purchased at Walmart at real good price. But its a deal breaker if programs sometimes don't get recorded.

The other brands with HDD are just a bit too pricey at this point in time. I thought the Comcast DVR would be a good alternative. But then I read about the bugs that you have mentioned.

There is no perfect solution. I still need some kind of cable box for the digital channels. The DVR sounds neat, but cannot make a DVD-R. I thought about using the DVR and transferring to my PC for the few programs that I want to archive & then burn a DVD-R. I'd have to buy a DVD burner since my PC does not have one. They are not too expensive, but still a purchase. Then of course I'd somehow have to get the PC near the DVR in order to transfer data.

For now I picked up an ES20 last night at BB along with the $50 rebate. This is about the price of an inexpensive S-VHS recorder, which is my way of justifying a DVD recorder without a HDD. I currently have an S-VHS and am happy with it. I do mostly time shifting and it works just fine. No macroblocking & no EPG issues. But I thought it probably is time to upgrade to a disc format. I have not opened the box on the ES20 as I am still considering my options. But I figured I'd better get one while they are on sale.

Mike
post #78 of 549
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Originally Posted by Yesfan70 View Post

Hello,
Can any of you tell me if the EH-50 will let me randomly place chapters with -RW/-R/+R discs as it can with -RAM discs? If not, and it's the same as the ES-20, can you recommend a recorder that just as good as the Panasonics that will allow me this feature?

Thank you for the help and any suggestions.

On the EH-50 I always record to HDD first, set my chapter marks and high-speed dub to disk. I use -RW, sometimes RAM disks, and my chapter marks remain.

And on page 43 of the EH-50 manual it states chapter marks will remain when high-speed dubbing with the only caveat being dubbing to +R will only retain 100 chapter marks when transferring.

I believe (but not sure because I record to HDD first myself) that when recording directly to R disks the recorder will make the standard about 5 min. chapter marks only due to the nature of the write-once format disk.

Of course, as been mentioned before in this forum, when first setting up the recorder (and after any reset) make the change in the setup menu to High-speed dubbing to on (or enabled).
post #79 of 549
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

ncaahoops,

The HD channels are probably OK with the DVR because they are already MPEG-2.

With the HDD models, probably no EPG problems if using manually recording. But the popular Pioneer 531/533/633 disables the RF input if you choose timer recording, from what I have read. There are a lot of postings regarding EPG work arounds, but recording reliability is an issue. The 531 can be purchased at Walmart at real good price. But its a deal breaker if programs sometimes don't get recorded.

Disabling the RF input sounds like a bad idea! What are they thinking?

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The other brands with HDD are just a bit too pricey at this point in time. I thought the Comcast DVR would be a good alternative. But then I read about the bugs that you have mentioned.

The good thing with the Comcast DVR is that there is absolutely no commitment. I can return it anytime for any reason and get a regular cable box, and pay no penalties. Despite its shortcomings however, it has exceeded my expectations. Being able to record 2 things at once (even 2 digital channels) while playing back something else at the same time is impressive.

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There is no perfect solution. I still need some kind of cable box for the digital channels. The DVR sounds neat, but cannot make a DVD-R. I thought about using the DVR and transferring to my PC for the few programs that I want to archive & then burn a DVD-R. I'd have to buy a DVD burner since my PC does not have one. They are not too expensive, but still a purchase. Then of course I'd somehow have to get the PC near the DVR in order to transfer data.

For now I picked up an ES20 last night at BB along with the $50 rebate. This is about the price of an inexpensive S-VHS recorder, which is my way of justifying a DVD recorder without a HDD. I currently have an S-VHS and am happy with it. I do mostly time shifting and it works just fine. No macroblocking & no EPG issues. But I thought it probably is time to upgrade to a disc format. I have not opened the box on the ES20 as I am still considering my options. But I figured I'd better get one while they are on sale.

Mike

That is absolutely true. None of the solutions are perfect. It's all about trade-offs. I don't do any PC post-processing either - partly b/c my PC doesnt have a DVD burner, but even if it did, I wouldn't be doing any post-processing.
post #80 of 549
The rumour about the Panasonic DMR-ES20 having an LSI encoding chip is true. I just got hold of an ES20 myself... opened it up, removed the heat sink and the unit in fact has a LSI DoMiNo DMN-8602 encoding chip. What's more, the ES20 records full D1 at 720x480, not 704x480 (the "cropped" D1 format) like all the previous Panasonics do.

Apparently, the DMR-ES40V combo unit is also based on the LSI Logic DMN-8602.

These are the same MPEG2 encoders used by JVC and Lite-On, and in my opinion do a much better job than Panasonic's proprietary encoder... which has always produced noticeable macroblocks in recording times as short as 2 hours.

I also own an ES10. Test recordings of THX multi-purpose test patterns (with both machines' Line-In Noise Reduction off) show that the ES20 actually produces a sharper, more detailed image....

Here's the post over at VideoHelp.com -
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=287428
post #81 of 549
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Originally Posted by gshelley61 View Post

The rumour about the Panasonic DMR-ES20 having an LSI encoding chip is true. I just got hold of an ES20 myself... opened it up, removed the heat sink and the unit in fact has a LSI DoMiNo DMN-8602 encoding chip. What's more, the ES20 records full D1 at 720x480, not 704x480 (the "cropped" D1 format) like all the previous Panasonics do.

Apparently, the DMR-ES40V combo unit is also based on the LSI Logic DMN-8602.

These are the same MPEG2 encoders used by JVC and Lite-On, and in my opinion do a much better job than Panasonic's proprietary encoder... which has always produced noticeable macroblocks in recording times as short as 2 hours.

I also own an ES10. Test recordings of THX multi-purpose test patterns (with both machines' Line-In Noise Reduction off) show that the ES20 actually produces a sharper, more detailed image....

Here's the post over at VideoHelp.com -
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=287428


Interesting stuff! So the rumors were not unfounded

As far as macroblocking, in my case, the Comcast DVR seems to deserve some of the credit (blame), along with the condition of the digital channels as they fly off the wire. 4hr 40 minute FR recording off the RF tuner is a reasonable compromise to me - in some cases and for some recordings.
post #82 of 549
I wonder if Panasonic is still even making their chip?

Maybe they are now using the line/room to make the new Panny HD-DVD Chip instead?

What would be interesting to know is if the HDD EH60 model in Canada has the old or new LSI Chip in it?

If it still has the old Panny chip in it maybe that answers the reason why the USA doesn't have the EH60 yet because there are not enough Panny Chips left to go around for our market & they just could'nt throw in the LSI Chip in it's place without redesigning the whole thing?

So maybe next year will get the HDD EH70 with the LSI Chip in it
post #83 of 549
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Originally Posted by Bill1313 View Post

I wonder if Panasonic is still even making their chip?

If it still has the old Panny chip in it maybe that answers the reason why the USA doesn't have the EH60 yet because there are not enough Panny Chips left to go around for our market & they just could'nt throw in the LSI Chip in it's place without redesigning the whole thing?

Staggering releases in various markets seems to be a common practice at Panasonic, and I agree with you that it probably has to do with production capacity.
post #84 of 549
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

ncaahoops,

Regarding your Comcast DVR. I have read other postings where some people feel that regular analog channels received on the DVR, even thou you are watching live, look worse than if received by your cable ready TV or a regular cable box. The thought is that everything that comes into the DVR is converted to MPEG-2 since it goes to the hard drive. In other words, all Standard Def analog gets converted to MPEG-2, thus degrading the picture.

Mike

After you mentioned it, I paid closer attention to the faces on recorded shows on the DVR. In some cases, some faces looked like they had the surfaces of a Changeling from Star Trek!

The HDD-based models are definately more attractive for the long run, especially with the ability to high-speed transfer to DVD. Not being able to record digital channels off the RF cable is a minus though.

Does anyone know if future DVD recorders will be able (or allowed by the cable industry) to record digital channels off the RF cable? - Not necessary the premium digital channels like Showtime, HBO, but the digital basic channels that you get by default with digital cable???
post #85 of 549
I am new to dvd Recorder technology. However, I found the conversation here on DMR-ES20 very interesting as currently ES20 is available at Sears Store in my city. BB & FS are out of stcok. The Pioneer DVD RT 401S VCR/DVD Recorder is available at Costco.

I have very precious VCR tape recordings of my granddaughter going back to 1988. The whole idea coming into my head to buy dvd recorder is how to safe keep these recordings on dvd media.

I will greatly appreciate if some one here let me know whether VCR to DVD media is possible on DMR-ES20 or not. If yes, then how do I record as many as VCR tapes on one DVD media. How do I do that? Since my VCR tapes are of short time recordings and they some 15 of them.

If DMR-ES is not capable to do it then do you have any opinion of Pioneer DVD RT 401S VCR/DVD Recorder. It cost more money then ES20.

Many thanks in advance,

kpb
post #86 of 549
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Originally Posted by kpb View Post

I am new to dvd Recorder technology. However, I found the conversation here on DMR-ES20 very interesting as currently ES20 is available at Sears Store in my city. BB & FS are out of stcok. The Pioneer DVD RT 401S VCR/DVD Recorder is available at Costco.

I have very precious VCR tape recordings of my granddaughter going back to 1988. The whole idea coming into my head to buy dvd recorder is how to safe keep these recordings on dvd media.

I will greatly appreciate if some one here let me know whether VCR to DVD media is possible on DMR-ES20 or not. If yes, then how do I record as many as VCR tapes on one DVD media. How do I do that? Since my VCR tapes are of short time recordings and they some 15 of them.

If DMR-ES is not capable to do it then7 do you have any opinion of Pioneer DVD RT 401S VCR/DVD Recorder. It cost more money then ES20.

Many thanks in advance,

kpb

You can definately do that with the ES20 by connecting the VCR to one of the line-in inputs of the ES20. Some of the options you can control with the ES20:
* Recording mode (XP, SP, LP, EP, FR)
* Line-In NR (Noise Reduction) ON or OFF
* Choice of media -RAM, -R, +R, -RW(V)
* input black level: darker or lighter

You can make multiple recordings per disc, as long as there is space, so if you have 15 VCR tapes of 5 minutes each, you can record them as 15 separate titles on a single DVD disc using the SP mode.
post #87 of 549
Has anyone noticed that on the panasonic's websight, there is a new firmware update to the es20, dated 12/9/05.....I can't post the link...i have less than 5 posts


Has anybody updated their es20 with this firmware?
post #88 of 549
Thanks for the heads up. I went to the site and found firmware for the ES-10 also. The upgrade is supposed to improve compatability with the new 8x and 16x media.
Here is the link
http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...ge=DVDFirmware

I applied the update to my ES10 and it took about 3 mins. I just finished off using all of my 4x DVD-R's and the new ones I have are the 8X Fuji's. I haven't had problems to date so maybe this will help in the future.
post #89 of 549
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Originally Posted by va9 View Post

Has anyone noticed that on the panasonic's websight, there is a new firmware update to the es20, dated 12/9/05.....I can't post the link...i have less than 5 posts


Has anybody updated their es20 with this firmware?

That is good to know! I am downloading the firmware update but I don't know if I am brave enough to install it :-)
post #90 of 549
Did the firmware update...to the es20.... everything went as per instruction supplied from Panasonic.. Don't notice any changes as far as the menus are concerned. Seems ok....
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