Originally Posted by R11
You know what they say about assuming ;).
Blues, The reason I asked about the two "black level" screenshots this morning is because I just don't think that test is really any kind of indication of what real world viewing would be. Nothing personal at all, but I think the methodology used in the testing is not right. I think the best way to test would be to use an active feed from two properly calibrated panels and compare freeze frames of black scenes (like space/night shots for instance) from the same source. What really matters is what kind of black levels can be achieved while still retaining good shadow detail.
R11, after thinking about it for a night or so... i really do think they are valid for these reasons:
1) backlight directly affects black level with or without a source. That is why after i turned it to the lowest setting, i immediately put in a source! in addition, i did mention the sharp being darker than the sony at the lowest (backlight) setting. The question was, who had the best black levels. Sharp does even if it is a by a small amount.
2) even if screenshots are not completely accurate, it is not worthless. let's just say it will give you "some" indication even if there is a margin of error. It may not be perfect, but then again... what is a perfect setting?
a) official testing by an independant source w/ proper equipment
b) your home and your eyes
c) snapshots in your home of TVs side by side
d) comparing at a high end store
e) comparing at bb or CC with or w/o tweaking it isn't your home
of course A would be the best, d & e would be a wash b/c it's not your home environment but at least the source would be decent (assuming the right connections)
* NOT everyone can afford to have both TVs side by side... pictures will be more objective than a description of words right? even if it's not perfect i still stand by my logic that thats the best you can do over the internet short of inviting you over to my apartment! :cool:
3) i never claimed to be an expert but i devoted lengthy observations to describe the TVs. Yet in the end i said the two to be very very equal in terms quality and PQ. Slight differences are there but who's to say you'll notice them unless you had them side by side?
4) my point is, i only disagreed with the black levels. that was the most apparent diff i saw and it was not by much. but i will say one thing. the screenshots are fairly indicative of what i saw with my own eyes. whether you trust that or not I think buying both tvs and tweaking them with the settings really makes a difference.
As for Shadow detail, I will tell you that the Sony has better Shadow detail w/o black correction. with black correction is is about the same. I left the black enhancement on the sharp but eventually turned it off so i don't know what both of them would be compared like. I forgot i had left it on.
My theory is that the sharp is better at blocking light but as a tradeoff you will see less detail in the shadow.