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post #1231 of 1644
5/2/06 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

Rib(and whoever else): do you use the settings listed here for your TV?:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post7446179

Also, most tweak threads seem to say put sharpness at around 25-35. I find this makes way too many sharp, un natural edges on the picture. anyone else notice this?

I had my set calibrated. The key to getting rid of the unnatural edge enhancement is to do the following. Use Pro mode. Use Warm setting. Turn off DTE and Detail Enhancer. Turn the DRC settings way down to like (9,9) or less. Set sharpness to 25.

Sharpness at 25 is what the ISF tech measured to be correct for hi-def material with the aforementioned settings. Sharpness at 15 is what the ISF tech measured to be correct for 480p.

Hope this helps.
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post #1232 of 1644
5/2/06 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by AtlPaul View Post

I had my set calibrated. The key to getting rid of the unnatural edge enhancement is to do the following. Use Pro mode. Use Warm setting. Turn off DTE and Detail Enhancer. Turn the DRC settings way down to like (9,9) or less. Set sharpness to 25.

Sharpness at 25 is what the ISF tech measured to be correct for hi-def material with the aforementioned settings. Sharpness at 15 is what the ISF tech measured to be correct for 480p.

Hope this helps.

Out of curiosity, what are the rest of your ISF settings? Was grayscale done in the service menu or with the "White Balance" controls. I'm curious because looking at the sharpness pattern using 'Get Gray' I'm finding that the edge enhancement is minimal with sharpness at 10, and no higher then 15...using upconverted 1080i DVD. My wife hates the tweaking, but I want "perfect" (or as close to it) and the only ISF in Boise is terrible!
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post #1233 of 1644
5/2/06 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by JohnnytheSkin View Post

Out of curiosity, what are the rest of your ISF settings? Was grayscale done in the service menu or with the "White Balance" controls. I'm curious because looking at the sharpness pattern using 'Get Gray' I'm finding that the edge enhancement is minimal with sharpness at 10, and no higher then 15...using upconverted 1080i DVD. My wife hates the tweaking, but I want "perfect" (or as close to it) and the only ISF in Boise is terrible!

I agree, can we get a complete list of your settings?
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post #1234 of 1644
5/3/06 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

Rib(and whoever else): do you use the settings listed here for your TV?:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post7446179

Also, most tweak threads seem to say put sharpness at around 25-35. I find this makes way too many sharp, un natural edges on the picture. anyone else notice this?

This is what I use for my HD Tivo HDMI input:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post7096079

I use other settings for my upconverting Denon over HDMI because it is outputting default 7.5 IRE blacks instead of the zero IRE blacks output by the HD Tivo. That changes appropriate brightness and contrast settings.
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post #1235 of 1644
5/3/06 at 6:24am
For you guys with the ISF calibrated sets, what are the correct contrast and brightness settings? I find that 58 for the contrast is too high, and when i go down to 55 if looks more accurate like a theater picture. I find that 31 for brightness is a bit too high, and that 26-27 produces closer to a true black.

Also, I found that putting my DVD player in 1080i mode definitely produces the bes picture. I have this DVD player: http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvd/product.asp?model=d-r5
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post #1236 of 1644
5/3/06 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

HD AV: so you are saying I should set the DVD player to 1080i and in Cinemotion mode? when i was watching a DVD in 1080i mode, I was watching for quite a while in Cinemotion mode. I switched to DRC mode 1, and the picture seemed to be noticably better..

No. I'm saying you should set the DVD to 480i and let the Sony take care of the rest. If your player produces a better picture outputting 1080i, than use that. It all boils down to what is most pleasing to you. I find mine looks noticably better output @ 480 i through component and using DRC with the 3/2 pulldown. It is a more detailed picture, but I have an inexpensive Sony upconverting DVD.
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post #1237 of 1644
5/3/06 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

For you guys with the ISF calibrated sets, what are the correct contrast and brightness settings? I find that 58 for the contrast is too high, and when i go down to 55 if looks more accurate like a theater picture. I find that 31 for brightness is a bit too high, and that 26-27 produces closer to a true black.

Also, I found that putting my DVD player in 1080i mode definitely produces the bes picture. I have this DVD player: http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvd/product.asp?model=d-r5

any comments, advice, etc. on my above post?
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post #1238 of 1644
5/3/06 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

any comments, advice, etc. on my above post?

Don't expect someone else's settings to work on your set. Often times, they don't.

Advice, have a good calibrationist come in and do your set.
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post #1239 of 1644
5/3/06 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Don't expect someone else's settings to work on your set. Often times, they don't.

Advice, have a good calibrationist come in and do your set.

Very good advice. When I calibrate a display the majority of the adjustments are made in the service mode so the default settings are correct. This allows the client to use the reset button to restore the calibrated settings. Each display is also very unique and many key settings will not be able to be cloned from one to another.
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post #1240 of 1644
5/3/06 at 11:46am
as far as dvd's you can buy to calibrate your tv, which one is best?
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post #1241 of 1644
5/3/06 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

as far as dvd's you can buy to calibrate your tv, which one is best?

I really like Avia Pro, but it is expensive. The others all have limitations or flaws of some kind. Using a test DVD is not really sufficient to calibrate the TV. It is more appropriate for adjusting the player after the TV is calibrated to match a signal generator using test patterns and a spectroradiometer.
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post #1242 of 1644
5/3/06 at 12:22pm
Hi Jeff,

My picture continues to look "very good" but I can't wait until you pass my way again so I can get "GREAT". Please say soon!

Tim
Near San Jose
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post #1243 of 1644
5/3/06 at 12:50pm
Tim,

It will be in September.
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post #1244 of 1644
5/3/06 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

I really like Avia Pro, but it is expensive.

it's around $27 at amazon, not too bad:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630...v=glance&n=130
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post #1245 of 1644
5/3/06 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

it's around $27 at amazon, not too bad:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630...v=glance&n=130

That is not the disc I am suggesting is best. That is one that is good, but more limited and flawed.

This is it.
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post #1246 of 1644
5/3/06 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

That is not the disc I am suggesting.

This is it.



Avia PROfessional (Avia PRO) is a multi-disc test suite developed by Ovation Multimedia designed to be an all-inclusive product for the calibration of video and audio systems. The suite consists of five DVDs, a CD and user manual. Avia PRO is the most technologically advanced product for use in the home theater and professional environments.





$400.00
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post #1247 of 1644
5/3/06 at 1:53pm
I never said best was cheap.
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post #1248 of 1644
5/3/06 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Don't expect someone else's settings to work on your set. Often times, they don't.

Advice, have a good calibrationist come in and do your set.

meh i'm tired of screwing with the sharpness, i'll just turn it all the way down. all it does is add edges to the picture that shouldn't be there
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post #1249 of 1644
5/3/06 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by AtlPaul View Post

I had my set calibrated. The key to getting rid of the unnatural edge enhancement is to do the following. Use Pro mode. Use Warm setting. Turn off DTE and Detail Enhancer. Turn the DRC settings way down to like (9,9) or less. Set sharpness to 25.

Sharpness at 25 is what the ISF tech measured to be correct for hi-def material with the aforementioned settings. Sharpness at 15 is what the ISF tech measured to be correct for 480p.

Hope this helps.

I set my sharpness to 25, works pretty good on most sources for me as well.
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post #1250 of 1644
5/3/06 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by sl@cker View Post

For you guys with the ISF calibrated sets, what are the correct contrast and brightness settings? I find that 58 for the contrast is too high, and when i go down to 55 if looks more accurate like a theater picture. I find that 31 for brightness is a bit too high, and that 26-27 produces closer to a true black.

Also, I found that putting my DVD player in 1080i mode definitely produces the bes picture. I have this DVD player: http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvd/product.asp?model=d-r5

..ditto
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post #1251 of 1644
5/3/06 at 11:38pm
Hi,
I have the following settings on my SONY 50" SXRD TV. While watching sports such as basketball on TNT, on the long shots, I see blurriness along the edges of players arms/legs. How can I correct it?

Picture Mode: Pro
Iris: 2
Picture: 58
Brightness: 31
Color 30
Hue:0
Sharpness: 25
Color Temp: Warm
Noise Reduction: Low
Direct Mode: Off
DRC: Cinemotion
DRC: Custom 1 default settings
Advanced Iris: Low
Color Corrector: Off
DTE: Low
Clear White: Off
Detail Enhancer: Low
Black Corrector: Off
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post #1252 of 1644
5/4/06 at 4:37am
I use/used the Avia regular disc with great success. It worked perfectly on my old Sony 36XBR because once on the DVD input the settings would remain set for all the other inputs and everything from SD to HD looked great. Now, however, with the SXRD I can only use the DVD to set the "look" of the DVD input alone and have to eye it on all the other inputs (though they too look great) since each input can be set individually.
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post #1253 of 1644
5/4/06 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by JimL View Post

I use/used the Avia regular disc with great success. It worked perfectly on my old Sony 36XBR because once on the DVD input the settings would remain set for all the other inputs and everything from SD to HD looked great. Now, however, with the SXRD I can only use the DVD to set the "look" of the DVD input alone and have to eye it on all the other inputs (though they too look great) since each input can be set individually.

If you have access to HDNet and a HD recorder/PVR, you can use their color bars and other screens to tweak your HD input. Following provides directions:
http://www.smartcalibration.com/hdnetpatterns.html

HDNet normally runs these patterns for 10 minutes on Tuesday morning around 6:50. With D*, the media guide doesn't show the schedule until normally sometime on Monday.
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post #1254 of 1644
5/4/06 at 5:24am
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Originally Posted by subramaniana View Post

Hi,
I have the following settings on my SONY 50" SXRD TV. While watching sports such as basketball on TNT, on the long shots, I see blurriness along the edges of players arms/legs. How can I correct it?

Picture Mode: Pro
Iris: 2
Picture: 58
Brightness: 31
Color 30
Hue:0
Sharpness: 25
Color Temp: Warm
Noise Reduction: Low
Direct Mode: Off
DRC: Cinemotion
DRC: Custom 1 default settings
Advanced Iris: Low
Color Corrector: Off
DTE: Low
Clear White: Off
Detail Enhancer: Low
Black Corrector: Off

I would experiment with (in no special order): Turning sharpness down to 16; changing DRC settings to 1,1; turn off noise reduction, and turn off detail enhancer.
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post #1255 of 1644
5/5/06 at 6:08am
I have the 60 SXRD, haven't really tried to calibrate it yet, but after reading all of the difference it can make I tried a bit last night. My question.......

I am in pro mode but cannot access the DRC settings (they are not highlighted in the menu). I read in the manual you can't access these settings if you are receiving a 720p or 1080i signal. So I turned off (standby) my HR10-250 DTV receiver and still could not access the options. I tried changing channels to a non HD/non OTA station, still no luck.

Any help is appreciated.

My biggest complaint (and this could be with the source DirecTV), is the pixelazation for fast moving scenes like basketball recently. The more still scenes up close are really nice, movies are fine. Will the DRC settings help with this? I have it set currently (somehow?) to Cinemotion, Custom 1.
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post #1256 of 1644
5/5/06 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by bigtuna View Post

I have the 60 SXRD, haven't really tried to calibrate it yet, but after reading all of the difference it can make I tried a bit last night. My question.......

I am in pro mode but cannot access the DRC settings (they are not highlighted in the menu). I read in the manual you can't access these settings if you are receiving a 720p or 1080i signal. So I turned off (standby) my HR10-250 DTV receiver and still could not access the options. I tried changing channels to a non HD/non OTA station, still no luck.

Any help is appreciated.

My biggest complaint (and this could be with the source DirecTV), is the pixelazation for fast moving scenes like basketball recently. The more still scenes up close are really nice, movies are fine. Will the DRC settings help with this? I have it set currently (somehow?) to Cinemotion, Custom 1.

DRC can't be accessed when multi-picture functions are active, a 480p or 720p source is selected, Direct Mode is on, or Game Mode is on. If you DTV receiver is outputting a 480p signal, that's probably the problem.
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post #1257 of 1644
5/5/06 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by subramaniana View Post

Hi,
I have the following settings on my SONY 50" SXRD TV. While watching sports such as basketball on TNT, on the long shots, I see blurriness along the edges of players arms/legs. How can I correct it?

Picture Mode: Pro
Iris: 2
Picture: 58
Brightness: 31
Color 30
Hue:0
Sharpness: 25
Color Temp: Warm
Noise Reduction: Low
Direct Mode: Off
DRC: Cinemotion
DRC: Custom 1 default settings
Advanced Iris: Low
Color Corrector: Off
DTE: Low
Clear White: Off
Detail Enhancer: Low
Black Corrector: Off

Try turning detail enhancer off, sharpness down, and change you DRC settings to 1,1.
J
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post #1258 of 1644
5/10/06 at 5:15am
First, I love my KDSR-50XBR1 (Love that name).

Second, I notice a small amount - upper left corner of the screen convergence (lines on Xbox 360 games and some dvd menus appear to go up).

Is this a problem with the light engine installed crooked or something else electronic?

Are there anyways to adjust for this?

The TV is fairly new (Feb 06) and I do have a service plan, but I'm afraid that the service guy may do more harm then good.

Thanks in advance to all that reply back!

Roy

P.S. Great web site!
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post #1259 of 1644
5/10/06 at 7:41am
Convergence is basically tied to the chip. You cannot change it. If it's that noticable, it sounds like you will definately require a service visit.

You should try something like an AVIA disk to verify using a convergence pattern, or download a test pattern and use the memory stick viewer to display it.
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post #1260 of 1644
5/10/06 at 9:46am
Thanks!

I will give that a try (To verifiy).

Roy
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