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post #61 of 1646
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Originally Posted by JasonColeman View Post

Unfortunately, there are so many god damn threads about the SXRDs that it almost makes sense to post settings to the pertinent (if any) threads. I don't know why the "SXRD Oct/Nov" thread is still going...the set is here! We have an owner's thread (that has been neglected by Bombthroat...faq???) and a tweaks thread that's all over the place. It's frustrating as hell to try to find any information amidst the dozen or so threads and useful comments/posts get lost in the shuffle without exploration or answer. The result is that people start new threads that ask the questions that don't get answered in the main threads...either out of frustration or lack of patience, which then makes it even worse because there's yet another SXRD thread to pour over (can you say redundant?) covering the same info as the other threads. I don't know what the solution is, but it might start with the 2 basic threads...owners and tweakers. There'll certainly be some overlap with just two threads, but it must be better than 6 or 7 or 8 current SXRD threads...

J.

I was thinking of starting a new thread to find out which color crayon my daughter should use when coloring at the coffee table in front of the SXRD.

It's gettin' ta be re-god-damn-diculous in here.
post #62 of 1646
I thought I would pass these on to everyone. I had a few minutes this evening to plug my Apple Powerbook (15", 1.67Ghz, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 128mb video) into the SXRD over HDMI.

The connection: Powerbook DVI > DVI-DVI cable > Monster DVI-HDMI adapter.

The good news is that the Apple OS 10.4.2 recognizes the display as a Sony TV and allows you to toggle overscan and set resolutions. It's very clear that you are connected 1920x1080 interlaced. It supports 1280x720 progressive. I have attached a few pic displaying the native resolutions supported and some other features from the displays control panel.

I don't have any more time to mess with it tonight I'll try to spend some time with it this weekend. Looks promising though.
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post #63 of 1646
I'm sorry this is a repost of the Owners Thread, because I had intended to post it here Instead:

I can't find my digital camera at the moment so I can't show a pic.

But on DVDs via HDMI 1080i. I'm seeing noticable edge enhancement no matter how much I change the PRO settings. (a lighter line around any distinct darker lines...kinda like that referee hat pic in the other thread) DTE off. Detail Enhancer off. DRC Palette at 1,1. And Sharpness at 0. The DVD Player is a Sony s90.

Is this normal? Or is it just a result of the Upconversion?

I tried running the DVDs at 480p via HDMI but the resolution just sucked and I still saw the edge enhancement.

What If I just used 480i?

It's kind of bothering me, as I want my DVDS to look as good as possible.

- Edit I think I figured it out. I zoomed in with the SXRD, and I zoomed in twice with the s90 and the lighter edge enhancement lines I saw, were now gigantic. This leads me to believe it's edge enhancement added in during the mastering process of the DVD itself. Is there still a good way to minimize this? I still find it annoying. I even noticed this edge enhancement when calibrating with DVE.
post #64 of 1646
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Originally Posted by JohnLoresch View Post

You can adjust the Horizontal overscan by going into the Game Mode.
But I think it is only available when used with the component inputs and
not available with hdmi inputs. Give it a try and let us know what you find.

No game mode available for the input (either because it's HDMI or because it's 1080i).

I'm sure there's a service menu setting for this (there is on every other Sony TV I own, from my little 27" WEGA to my 50" GWIII).

UMR! I need you!
post #65 of 1646
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

No game mode available for the input (either because it's HDMI or because it's 1080i).

I'm sure there's a service menu setting for this (there is on every other Sony TV I own, from my little 27" WEGA to my 50" GWIII).

UMR! I need you!

Just drop me an email and I can schedule anyone for a calibration on these sets.
post #66 of 1646
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Originally Posted by dr_jason View Post

Well, looking at it closely tonight, it looks like the green is off by a little to the right and there is some CA on the left lower area but ever so slightly. This what it looks like in the upper right part of screen.

That looks like my Toshiba HX83 grid. It drove me crazy because after I try align everything perfectly, touch focus would make it worse again. The blue grid on my HX83 was also very thick in comparison to the others so adjusting the blues was very difficult.

I'm hoping I won't have any convergence issues with these sets.
post #67 of 1646
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Originally Posted by maximum360 View Post

That looks like my Toshiba HX83 grid. It drove me crazy because after I try align everything perfectly, touch focus would make it worse again. The blue grid on my HX83 was also very thick in comparison to the others so adjusting the blues was very difficult.

I'm hoping I won't have any convergence issues with these sets.

I went to Hi-fi Buys and they had a 60". It had it a little worse than mine. It made me feel a little better about what I have since I could end up with worse if I exchange/fix it. And really you can't "see" it in regular viewing.

A convergence pattern is just simply a bunch of thin white lines in a checkerboard pattern on a black background. What that does is help you see that the three guns are aligned and whether or not the picture is straight, ruling out pincushioning and other geometry issues. You can also use the grid of your TV programing that has a white line or edge against a darker background, like D*. You will see slight color surrounding that white line, indicating that panel's misalignment.
post #68 of 1646
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Originally Posted by Curt Anderson View Post


- Edit I think I figured it out. I zoomed in with the SXRD, and I zoomed in twice with the s90 and the lighter edge enhancement lines I saw, were now gigantic. This leads me to believe it's edge enhancement added in during the mastering process of the DVD itself. Is there still a good way to minimize this? I still find it annoying. I even noticed this edge enhancement when calibrating with DVE.

The Qualia thread "jury" felt that the DVD player upconverting gave the best picture. I have the Denon 2910 HDMI and see the same issue with even a little ghosting/ringing when using test patterns. Turning the sharpness off helps the best, which is what I do now. But it never goes away. I know that adjusting the iris and advanced iris setting affects the ringing but not much affect on that enhancement. An it screws up the picture too much to get that effect away. And I don't really notice any of it it with regular viewing at regular distances.
post #69 of 1646
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Originally Posted by ABhatnagar View Post

Spoke to some knowledgable folks around town about this one and they all pretty much said 800x600, but I'm actually running it at 1024x768 really well. However, here is the gotcha (confirmed with tier 2 support at Sony)...if you use DVI-HDMI follow the recommended resolution/frequency settings on page 100 of the manual. All settings I tried still produced a fuzzy picture and when switching to full screen mode, the screen goes left of center. So the recommendation is to simply use a DVI-PC Monitor converter/cable to the TV's PC Input. With this type of hook-up I can't get an edge to edge picture, but this TV was apparently not designed to be a PC monitor and now the full screen mode is centered.

If anyone finds something different, then please post?

The settings on page 100 are for the PC input, and I was under the impression that you were using DVI/HDMI. I was hoping that using DVI/HDMI and driving 1080i would work well. The theory is that it would need to deinterlace, but not scale, so things would be sharp. Any comments?

Boy I wish the PC input took standard res.

-Drew
post #70 of 1646
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Originally Posted by dr_jason View Post

I went to Hi-fi Buys and they had a 60". It had it a little worse than mine. It made me feel a little better about what I have since I could end up with worse if I exchange/fix it. And really you can't "see" it in regular viewing.

A convergence pattern is just simply a bunch of thin white lines in a checkerboard pattern on a black background. What that does is help you see that the three guns are aligned and whether or not the picture is straight, ruling out pincushioning and other geometry issues. You can also use the grid of your TV programing that has a white line or edge against a darker background, like D*. You will see slight color surrounding that white line, indicating that panel's misalignment.

Ok....

At least with these sets you won't have to worry about drifting issues common to CRTs.
post #71 of 1646
Thread Starter 
Has anyone used AVIA or a similiar calibration kit to find the best settings?
post #72 of 1646
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Has anyone used AVIA or a similiar calibration kit to find the best settings?

Ditto.

Problems I would like you to look for:

1. Green is too vivid. Inaccurate greens were mentioned in the WSR article. Also, as regards color reproduction, have you noticed a shift of color from one side of screen to the other? The following was reported to have been posted in another thread:

"Of greater concern for me was the very obvious tint shift from the left side of the screen to the right. For a beige house to look beige on the right side of the screen and then transform to decided 'pinkish beige', is not acceptable. "

2. Chromatic aberration. Posts regarding this on Qualia thread and here.

Thanks.
post #73 of 1646
For all you HD DirecTivo users, I noticed that I got a better picture for SD channels when I used the S-Video input on the tv. To me the SD channel over HDMI in 480i/480p/720p/1080i seemed to overly sharp and noisy (possibly because this tv shows the tv programing too exactly and exposes the flaws, which is great for HD though). What I dd was turned the sharpness all the way down and also turned the picture down quite a few notches on the S-video input. I tried adjusting the picture while watching a SD football game because those seem to have the worst picture quality in my opinion. After adjusting and switching to a non football SD channel the picture was very satisfatory. The obviously I used the HDMI for HD prgraming.
post #74 of 1646
Also one other thing, last night I watched Sin City and noticed a few things.
1. In the opening scene with Josh Harrnet towards the end of that scene the screen goes to a black and white silloet (sp) and in the bottom left corner there was blue shaddow. I perviously had noticed this on my Mitwt46809 and chaulk that up to convergency being slightly off, has anyone else noticed this on their sets?

2. I noticed that on many scenes that there was a slight green tint to the black and white picture, how would I go about removing that tint or is that the way the movie was made.

Finally both of the above nit picks are just that, nit picks overall I can't be happier.
post #75 of 1646
Thread Starter 
KRATOS: Do you have to change inputs each time you want to go from HD to SD? ALso, you can change hue and tiniting in the settings. Read your manual it's very easy.

TV TYro: I have not noticed any uneven colors or tinting. My PQ is stunning. I did notice some pixel structure but I have to be 4-5" from the set.
post #76 of 1646
Is anyone else having issues with the picturing becoming really blocky (macroblocking?) when the cramera moves really fast? I was watching some football today, and everytime there was a deep pass or a kick off, the picture became really distorted. Maybe it's a setting?
post #77 of 1646
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Originally Posted by chump View Post

Is anyone else having issues with the picturing becoming really blocky (macroblocking?) when the cramera moves really fast? I was watching some football today, and everytime there was a deep pass or a kick off, the picture became really distorted. Maybe it's a setting?

Using Noise Reduction with an HD feed will also cause that. At least in my experience.

But I'd have to agree that it was probably the feed instead of your TV. The ND/Southern Cal game yesterday was terrible that way....
post #78 of 1646
I think you guys are right. I was watching it on my local HD stations. Tonight, I checked out the highlights of the very same game on ESPN, and didn't notice a problem. Even though it's not the TV, it's irritating
post #79 of 1646
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Originally Posted by KRATOS View Post

Also one other thing, last night I watched Sin City and noticed a few things.
1. In the opening scene with Josh Harrnet towards the end of that scene the screen goes to a black and white silloet (sp) and in the bottom left corner there was blue shaddow. I perviously had noticed this on my Mitwt46809 and chaulk that up to convergency being slightly off, has anyone else noticed this on their sets?

2. I noticed that on many scenes that there was a slight green tint to the black and white picture, how would I go about removing that tint or is that the way the movie was made.

Finally both of the above nit picks are just that, nit picks overall I can't be happier.

I'm getting the SAME thing (blue shadow where the blacks should be in the bottom right and upper left corners of the screen). What is wrong with it? This can't be normal. I have the 60" SXRD. Any ideas?
post #80 of 1646
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Originally Posted by JasonColeman View Post

We have an owner's thread (that has been neglected by Bombthroat...faq???)

Just because BT got the first set and the AVS mob told him he had to start an owners thread doesn't obligate him to maintain that thread or organize tweaks/FAQs. If you are desiring organization, it can be done, you just have to willing to manage it. Don't expect someone else to. I got tired of this forum long ago because people thought I was their tech support (see the Mits and Hitachi CRT threads...you don't even want to see my PM inbox). This is not tech support, this is a forum where everyone contributes. Its not supposed to be a place for users to leach knowledge from calibrators (unless someone wants to start paying major contributors ).
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post #81 of 1646
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Originally Posted by HomeGuy View Post

Has anyone used AVIA or a similiar calibration kit to find the best settings?

Everyone should do this to find their own best settings. There isn't a single set of parameteres that will be perfect for every setup (otherwise Sony could just set Pro mode to those parameters from the factory).
post #82 of 1646
This is true....& all the diff. inputs we have needs diff. setting.
post #83 of 1646
Thread Starter 
Well. I've been reading a few reviews that the PQ is a little soft. I thought mine was too. So I played with all the settings and ended up with a super sharp looking picture. I'll post my settings tomorrow when I'm awake. I did notice that when I was changing inputs on my set that there was a little uneven color on the screens with no input. I guess this is normal since HD looks stunning and SD looks very good.
post #84 of 1646
I ran Video Essentials on my 60" yesterday, and overall it did well. I put up the 1.78 convergence grid and the geometry is right on. However, I noticed that the convergence was slightly off on the right side of the screen. The left and center of the screen were fine, it was only the last 3 grids or so. I could see green and red to either side of the white lines from 12-18" away. It was not noticeable from more than 3-4' away. I also noticed on a the video black test that the lower right hand corner of the screen (4 inches square approx) is ever-so-slightly brighter than the rest of the screen. These are the only two issues I encountered. For the most part Pro mode in Warm color mode is pretty close to on target. The sharpness setting was too high, I think I lowered mine to around 15.

Anyone else notice any uniformity or convergence issues? These were very subtle (perhaps to the point of being anal), but I wonder if anyone else has similar observations.

edit- I see that dr jason noticed a similar issue. It sounds like our issues are almost identical with the convergence. I think I will take my disk to a store and see if this is a common problem, or perhaps a manufacturing defect. I'm still curious about the variance in black uniformity.
post #85 of 1646
I set up my DVD player last night (Toshiba 4800) using Avia. After much back and forth I have decided that the 480i PQ looks better on this set than when I have the player set to progessive. This is interesting to me as I remember when I first bought this DVD player and mated with an older Hitachi HD RPTV, the progessive mode was clearly the better PQ. Must have something to do with how the SXRD de-interlaces the picture. I now want to purchase the Oppo DVD player as from reading in this forum the 1080i seems to be the best choice for this display.

I don't have the settings written down but from memory.....the brightness was set to like 13. The picture setting close to max...I think 60 or 61. This was difficult to set becasue using the Avia patterns I could not find blooming or white crush oon the pattern even when tunred up to max......anybody casre to elaborate on this? Should this be set much lower than where I have it?
Color and Hue were right on target straight out of the box. I turned sharpness down to around 17. Iris on 2. Advanced iris off. Color temp set to normal.

PQ is very good on 480i, however I feel there is still room for improvement. Even on normal color temp there seems to be a slight red push, although I olny see a 5% push on the Avia pattern. Anybody know how to fix this?

I would like to get the DVD PQ closer to the HBO HD feed that I see for movies like i Robot. These seem to be more 'crisp' than my current DVD PQ. I will start buy upscaling 1080i with the Oppo player and go from there. Could other SXRD owners share their settings and any tips/tricks to getting the DVD PQ more 'crisp' like the HBO HD feed??
post #86 of 1646
I ordered the SXRD, and its on its way.

I would also like some setting and tweak tips from more owners.

I have an upscaling DVD player, as well as a regular standard def. Tivo and a separate HD receiver.

Would I set the DVD player to output 480i, and let the TV upscale it to 1080? Would I do the same for the standard def. Tivo to acheive the best PQ results?

Also, I noticed, from an in store display, that when flipping through the HD channels, some pictures filled up the whole screen, while others had large grey bars on the sides....how do you fix this in the SXRD settings, so that all the channels fit the screen, eliminating the grey sidebars?


Thanks for the tips.
post #87 of 1646
i have the same "issue" with convergence....its only on the right sde , center is perfect and left side is almost perfect, the cyand and magenta are just a tad more noticible on the right on either side of the grid lines....i just refused to drive myself insane with this kinda stuff, the picture is still STUNNING 10 feet back.

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Originally Posted by c.kingsley View Post

I ran Video Essentials on my 60" yesterday, and overall it did well. I put up the 1.78 convergence grid and the geometry is right on. However, I noticed that the convergence was slightly off on the right side of the screen. The left and center of the screen were fine, it was only the last 3 grids or so.

Anyone else notice any uniformity or convergence issues? These were very subtle (perhaps to the point of being anal), but I wonder if anyone else has similar observations.
post #88 of 1646
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Originally Posted by c.kingsley View Post

I ran Video Essentials on my 60" yesterday, and overall it did well. I put up the 1.78 convergence grid and the geometry is right on. However, I noticed that the convergence was slightly off on the right side of the screen. The left and center of the screen were fine, it was only the last 3 grids or so. I could see green and red to either side of the white lines from 12-18" away. It ....

The more people look for it on their new sets, the more comfortable I am having it. It is there on the 60" at Hi-Fi Buys and it was worse. And re-looking at mine (50"), it really isn't that bad. I thought changing the iris would help it (like closing the aperture in cameras) but not much. Actually reducing sharpness to Min helps a tad, and more so with that ghosting/ringing around thin dark lines, like in the overscan patterns.

I hate that advance iris setting. Although it helps with contrast, I see the TV make adjustments during my viewing. You can especially see it watching I Robot when Will is in the bad guys office, alternating from bright to dark areas. You see the TV adjust itself. That bothers me. I now turn it off when watching DVD's.
post #89 of 1646
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Originally Posted by lawsab View Post

I ordered the SXRD, and its on its way.

I would also like some setting and tweak tips from more owners.

I have an upscaling DVD player, as well as a regular standard def. Tivo and a separate HD receiver.

Would I set the DVD player to output 480i, and let the TV upscale it to 1080? Would I do the same for the standard def. Tivo to acheive the best PQ results?

Also, I noticed, from an in store display, that when flipping through the HD channels, some pictures filled up the whole screen, while others had large grey bars on the sides....how do you fix this in the SXRD settings, so that all the channels fit the screen, eliminating the grey sidebars?


Thanks for the tips.

Doing a quick test with my few year old panasonic progressive scan player (rated high at the time) sending 480p over component seemed better then 480i. Less noise. You'll have to try this stuff for yourself really though.

Those grey side bars where either from the station or the cable box. There are stretch modes, but why would you use them. As big as this tv is it still produces a large 4x3 screen and there is no burn in.
post #90 of 1646
Need Help!- Sony KDSR-50XBR1 and RCA DTC100

I have a problem. There is a vga output on my RCA directv receiver, but when I plugged it into the VGA input on the SXRD, the picture was very small (literally 16x9 inches) and centered in the middle of the screen. Is this input for PCs only or can I make this work. Currently I have an adaptor that converts the VGA into component, but the picture is still not filling the screen. It has about 4 inches on either side. I have tried using the overscan option +2 to fix the problem, but i still have a bout 1/4" of a black bar on the right side. Any suggestions?
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