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post #1 of 78
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ctv - vancouver, british columbia

I left a message on their voicemail and I just got a call from their engineering department saying that they will be broadcasting from mount seymour at the start of 2005.
post #2 of 78
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It's being pushed back until the end of the summer 2005.
post #3 of 78
CTV Vancouver has been broadcasting a digital signal on 33.1 which remaps to 32.1 for about two months. It is a very low power signal but I`m getting about 90% signal with a 4228 and a Winegard 4800 pre amp. I live out near UBC.
CBC is going to start digital tranmission in Vancouver this Sept. and Global is saying Sept. 06.
post #4 of 78
Is there some place where we can purchase antennaes and OTA receivers here in Vancouver? I'm hoping they have in-door antennae model.
post #5 of 78
I think your going to have to go for a drive or order over the internet. Buying anything for OTA reception is next to imposible in the lower mainland. The Expressvu HD reciever (6100) has a built in tuner, but needs to be subscibed to work.
post #6 of 78
the announcement was on the 6pm newscast last night (Wednesday 17 August 2005)

I just checked with engineering at CTV - and it's a "low power, channel 32" transmitter. I'm going to double check that information when the head of engineering releases more official information.

I work in production (audio, studio camera, lighting) at CTV and I was a bit surprised we weren't making a bigger deal about it, however, being a home theatre nut, I think it's more a relection on me than it is on my employer.

As I find out more info, including the possibility of "suggested or recommended" OTA tuners and antennas I'll let you know.

In house, we have a bunch of HDTV sets at reception, master control, etc. and they are mostly being fed by a variety of tuners. I'll try to track down which set is being 'driven' by an OTA tuner, if any.

Exciting times, now I wonder how long it will take Shaw to add CTV's feed to their HD lineup. Eventually we will be upgrading our digital studio cameras to HD, but I don't know the timeline on that.

Just so I'm clear for those that don't know. CTV's studios are located in the old main-library building downtown, at the corner of Robson and Burrard. It's channel 9 on cable, with transmitters are located on Seymour mountain. CTV was one of the first fully-digital bitstream stations in Canada. And yes, it's a pleasure working here with state of the art equipment, production-wise.

Patrick.

- be the actor in your life -
post #7 of 78
official press release about CTV Vancouver, courtesy of Broadcast Magazine


http://www.broadcastermagazine.com/a...issue=08172005
post #8 of 78
Has anyone tried using an indoor UHF antennae to try to get the HDTV on CTV? I just bought a silver sensor and give it a try. I really don't want to install an outdoor UHF. I am in th commercial drive area. Can anyone help. My expressvu signal is poor. And I want to record Alias in HD without drop outs.
post #9 of 78
There doesn't Seem to much info on the west coast.

Has anyone tried using an indoor UHF antennae to try to get the HDTV on CTV (33.1)? I just bought a silver sensor and give it a try. I really don't want to install an outdoor UHF. I am in the commercial drive area. Can anyone help. My expressvu signal is poor. And I want to record Alias in HD without drop outs.
post #10 of 78
You might find more information on the Digitalhomecanada forum. There's a few people who have posted their experiences in Vancouver.
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Topics merged.
post #12 of 78
So I was wondering what DTV and HDTV channels I could pick up with an OTA tuner.... I live in North Vancouver in an apartment... is it worth getting an OTA tuner for... or will I have to go for the Shaw terminal?
post #13 of 78
Hi,

I'm new to OTA HD and OTA in general so here goes.

(FWIW, I'm located in east Vancouver between Joyce Station & 29th Avenue Station in a house.)

I just bought a Silver Sensor today and hooked it up to my Sony Bravia's built-in (ATSC and NTSC, I presume) tuner. The antenna is indoor on a coffee table beside the TV.

After a bit of work positioning the antenna and from remembering all the stuff I read while I was waiting for my antenna, I managed to get a watchable signal on the following:
2.1: CBC HD
8: Global
17: A-Channel
26: CBC French
32: CTV
42: Channel M
58.8: CBC HD

The following were audible with a poor and/or unwatchable signal:
9: ?
10: CityTV
24: some multi-cultural channel


I've got a few questions:

1. What's with the "aliasing" of 2.1 and 58.8? For that matter, what does the channel number really mean?

2. I tried sticking the antenna out the window to no avail. An outdoor antenna would be my last resort. Would the Winegard Sharpshooter improve those three poor and/or unwatchable channels?

3. Channel 8 required me to orient the antenna about 90 degrees from my NE orientation. I don't suppose there's any way to avoid this?

4. I could not get CTV HD (32.1) despite all my attempts at orienting and/or sticking the antenna out the window. Any suggestions?

George
post #14 of 78
That's kind of sad. So Vancouver only gets 1 OTA HD channelm(CBC HD)? I just moved here and am looking for a tv, but buying an antannae for 1 channel is hardly worth it.
post #15 of 78
My lameass HD provider (Shaw Cable in British Columbia) only transmits HD at the rate of 13mb/sec as opposed to the optimal 19 mb/sec or commonplace 15 mb/sec.
Can anyone tell me how this compares to a standard DVD because to my eyes, on my high rez Sony KD34XBR960, the image quality is only marginally better than a dvd. I probably wasted my money on the highest rez consumer CRT out there (at the time I bought) considering the crap that Shaw provides.
Gerry
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Topics merged.
post #17 of 78
Can Vancouver not get OTA HD channels from Seattle?
I can't rent an HD box from Shaw which is stupid (I have to buy it), and I live in a basement suite in a house and I doubt my landlord will let me set up an OTA antenna somewhere outside. I have the Samsung LN-S3215D and it doesn't support QAM.
How should I get HD channels?????
post #18 of 78
I have a QAM tuner, but I can't seem to get the HD channels. The shaw site has this for Vancouver:

HDTV 301 Sportsnet HD
HDTV 302 Movie Central HD
HDTV 303 KOMO - ABC Seattle HD
HDTV 304 KIRO - CBS Seattle HD
HDTV 305 KING - NBC Seattle HD
HDTV 306 KSPS - PBS Spokane HD
HDTV 307 KCPQ - FOX Seattle HD
HDTV 308 TSN - HD
HDTV 309 CBC - HD
HDTV 310 CIVT - BC CTV - HD
HDTV 311 CFTO - CTV Toronto HD
HDTV 312 Discovery HD

But my TV won't tune that high. Any ideas on how to get these? Some of them don't require the HD pack I think, and I should be able to get it with my Digital package.
Thanks.
post #19 of 78
Hello,
I am new to HDTV OTA. With an indoor antenna (similar to silver sensor) that came with my ATI HDTV Wonder ATSC Tuner card I am able to receive CBC HD and CTV HD. I just finished watching CSI in HD, and it looks awesome! I can't wait to see what hockey looks like on CBC HD.

I did have some problems with the card's software player, so I'm just using it with MCE 2005 with no problems. Signal is fine as well. I live in the Vancouver area, just West of the PNE, so I believe that's why the signal is good.

Thanks.
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post #21 of 78
has anyone here tried to get CBC HD working with windows media center? I can get it with another programm called WatchHDTV, but in MCE i get the "No TV Signal" message.
post #22 of 78
Hi,

While I was watching the Grammy awards last night, right at the end when Red Hot Chilli Peppers were performing, they released snow-like stuff in the air where it covered everything.

My pictures got pixelated like crazy! It was horrible, like resolution dropped to 320*200... what is the culprit? I assume it's broadcating or bad compression, but not sure, which of the following could be contributing to this?

- TV: Sharp 37D90U 1080p Panel
- Receiver: Motorla 6412 v.III
- Cable: Component out to Receiver, HDMI out to TV
- Receiver: Pioneer Elite 72TXv
- Cable company: Shaw Cables - broadcasting at 1080i

Anyone else notice this? If so, is current HDTV not equipped to handle complicated scenees like that?
post #23 of 78
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Originally Posted by DrizztD0Urden View Post

I have a QAM tuner, but I can't seem to get the HD channels. The shaw site has this for Vancouver:

HDTV 301 Sportsnet HD
HDTV 302 Movie Central HD
HDTV 303 KOMO - ABC Seattle HD
HDTV 304 KIRO - CBS Seattle HD
HDTV 305 KING - NBC Seattle HD
HDTV 306 KSPS - PBS Spokane HD
HDTV 307 KCPQ - FOX Seattle HD
HDTV 308 TSN - HD
HDTV 309 CBC - HD
HDTV 310 CIVT - BC CTV - HD
HDTV 311 CFTO - CTV Toronto HD
HDTV 312 Discovery HD

But my TV won't tune that high. Any ideas on how to get these? Some of them don't require the HD pack I think, and I should be able to get it with my Digital package.
Thanks.

These are scrambled HDTV signals, not free for view, need to get Shaw terminal and pay for it. However, you must be able to at least pickup CBC HD, as that supposed to be free.
post #24 of 78
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Originally Posted by gdg View Post

My lameass HD provider (Shaw Cable in British Columbia) only transmits HD at the rate of 13mb/sec as opposed to the optimal 19 mb/sec or commonplace 15 mb/sec.
Can anyone tell me how this compares to a standard DVD because to my eyes, on my high rez Sony KD34XBR960, the image quality is only marginally better than a dvd. I probably wasted my money on the highest rez consumer CRT out there (at the time I bought) considering the crap that Shaw provides.
Gerry

How did you get that rate 13mb/s? For me, the picture quality is great, until there is some complex picture (like Grammy awards last night), where it pixelates.
post #25 of 78
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Originally Posted by alexb76 View Post

These are scrambled HDTV signals, not free for view, need to get Shaw terminal and pay for it. However, you must be able to at least pickup CBC HD, as that supposed to be free.

I'm in Coquitlam and I was able to tune into Discovery HD (79-3) and CBC HD (79-12) without the HD box from Shaw (cable was connected directly to the TV). There was NO sound, but the picture was nice and clear. It was great for Canucks games because I would tune to the radio for play-by-play anyway.

However, when I checked this morning the signals were scrambled. I don't know when that changed, but it was within the last week or 2.

Did anyone else lose CBC HD, too?

I wouldn't mind paying Shaw extra for the HD channels, but I refuse to pay them $500 for a HD tuner, when my TV already has one.
post #26 of 78
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Originally Posted by Apollo5 View Post

I wouldn't mind paying Shaw extra for the HD channels, but I refuse to pay them $500 for a HD tuner, when my TV already has one.

Are you able to get CBC-HD OTA or are you one of the unlucky ones in the signal shadow area from Mt. Seymour?
post #27 of 78
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Originally Posted by stampeder View Post

Are you able to get CBC-HD OTA or are you one of the unlucky ones in the signal shadow area from Mt. Seymour?

No, I'm one of the unlucky ones. I'm on the Westwood Plateau facing south with a clear view of Mt. Baker, but not much else.

I was just wondering if Shaw decided to scramble CBC-HD for everyone in the lower mainland, or if I did something to piss them off j/k
post #28 of 78
I just got my wintv 1600 atsc tuner.
Is there a problem with the CBUT-DT (CBC-HD) and CTV-HD stream?

The problem is Media Center will not pick up the channel, but other programs can watch it.

I believe there is an error in the PSIP in the stream. I believe the TSID in the PAT doesn't match the TSID in the VCT causing media center to whine (i believe media center is the only tuner that actually cares about these values). Seem to be a common issue with OTA broadcasts.

I will have to check the streams tonight to verify.
post #29 of 78
I have a large roof top antenna with a rotator and get CBC and CTV in hd and they are impressive. I also get 24 the shopping channel (garbage). KVOS in Bellingham say they are going to up their digital broadcast power soon, I don't get Seattle stations as I am to far away (120 miles). My tv is a Sony 32xbr2 with built in tuner and I live on Thetis Island at sea level which is 35 miles from Vancouver.
post #30 of 78
I live near Laugheed mall in Burnaby. My building facing the SFU mountain and broadcasting antenna (on top of mountain) in direct visibility. Distance is about 4-5 miles. Since I've got my first ATSC tuner for PC (DVICO FUSION LITE 5), I was able to watch only 2 HD channels: CBC-HD, CTV-HD. CBC-HD signal is stable (80-100%). CTV-HD signal depends on weather. Cloudy - 75-85%. Clear sky - no signal at all or unstable signal.

For last year and a half I tried different antennas and would like to share results with you:
1. Internal Philips amplified 32 db from WalMart ($29Can) - only CBC-HD works
2. External RCA CANT711 from London Drugs ($100) - only CBC-HD
3. External RV Round amplified antenna from RadioShak ($150 sale) - best
4. Terk HDTVs outdoor (purchased from ebay $180). Great looking pease of unsatisfaction. Without additional amplifier (not supplied) antenna hardly receive anything. Unrecommend it.

So, for now I'm keeping the UFO looking antenna #3. It has a remote control - can rotate it sitting on sofa. It also tunes 3rd multicultural channel, which is digital but doesn't look like HD at all.

Unfortunately Microsoft MCE 2005 doesn't detect the DVICO tuner. I heared that it doesn't support HD at all. For those who want to watch and record HD ATSC using media center I recommend Media Portal free software. It detected my HD tuner right away and all works just fine.

Management of my building doesn't allow any dishes or big antennas to install. My choices are only something small and powerfull like antennas I described. If you know anything good - please share.
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