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post #1321 of 17990
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Originally Posted by billodom View Post

I archive to D-VHS with the 6416. It works flawlessly recording live programming. Note the distinction between live programming and attempting to record off the hard drive. You can record off the hard drive but it is not reliable and you will have glitches, more specifically audio synch and video dropouts.

Thanks Bill. This is good news. I think I am going to attempt to run a firewire from box to HTPC and then store movies on hard drive and move to DVD as space requires. If this doesnt work, then I will go for a D-VHS.

By any chance are you using firewire on HTPC to store your movies?
post #1322 of 17990
I wonder how fast Verizon will drop the price on the multiroom DVR service once Comcast rolls the Tivo software out as from what I'm hearing they will support multiroom viewing. I know it will support it but what I don't know is if you still need your own network wired or wireless (aka current Tivo setup) or if Comcast will use Moca with the Tivo software. Remember the Tivo software is being coded from the ground up so its quite easy to use Moca with the Tivo software. If you want Tivo To Go you might need your own home network though but I could see that trade off occuring. That would greatly lower their support costs and for those who want Tivo To Go will need to work that out on their own. I think it would be the same price for the Tivo HD DVR and I think many would keep Comcast just for the Tivo at the same exact price per box. I'm also hearing that the multiroom viewing with Comcast Tivo boxes will support HD streaming to an HD box and/or HD DVR. An HD recording "cannot" however be played back on a normal digital box because of a lack of an HD decoder. But I'm hearing that the HD DVR can downconvert it to SD and send it over to a normal digital box so that should be interesting. Also in markets where they only offer an HD DVR even for SD customers all DVR boxes can playback anything including HD as the box would downconvert it to SD like it does today. I'm also hearing that four HD streams can be accessed at once (three clients and one server playback support) and because of this I see no way this could be done without it being Moca supported.
post #1323 of 17990
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

By any chance are you using firewire on HTPC to store your movies?

No, I have no familiarity with the HTPC universe other than what I have skimmed across on this site through the years. There is a copy protection standard known as 5C in place that limits the type of content you can archive to a PC. This post from the 6416 thread in the HDTV Recorders forum should be useful to you. You'll have to go the D-VHS route if you want to archive the premium FiOS content.
post #1324 of 17990
stepmback, I records to D-VHS from the 6412 harddrive with no glitches. Sometimes you have to unplug the D-VHS first but it will give you flawless copies.
post #1325 of 17990
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I'm also hearing that four HD streams can be accessed at once (three clients and one server playback support) and because of this I see no way this could be done without it being Moca supported.

AFAIK, the current boxes deployed by Comcast don't support MoCA and neither do their routers. To do MoCA, Comcast would need to install additional hardware in the customer's home.

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But I'm hearing that the HD DVR can downconvert it to SD and send it over to a normal digital box so that should be interesting.

Not going to happen. The current boxes deployed by Comcast can't do this.
post #1326 of 17990
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Originally Posted by arnoldevns View Post

Do you have to have this new multi-room DVR to use this function?


Yes you need sign up for Home Media option. Media Manager is part of the package.
post #1327 of 17990
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

AFAIK, the current boxes deployed by Comcast don't support MoCA and neither do their routers. To do MoCA, Comcast would need to install additional hardware in the customer's home.


Not going to happen. The current boxes deployed by Comcast can't do this.

First the 6400 and 3400 series DVR boxes along with the 2500 digital boxes support sharing recorded content over existing cables within the house. They don't use Moca but Motorola does support it via their whole house software. So if Motorola says the boxes can do it they can. Also you can read more about at the link I'll post below. Also I read the tech docs and it fully supports OCAP so that any guide software can be used with this home media solution. So that means that Tivo software ported to these boxes can offer home media features. Comcast may call it home networking option as that is what Tivo calls it but it may still endup using the existing coax cables unlike current Tivo standalone boxes.

http://broadband.motorola.com/whms/design.html
post #1328 of 17990
If the HDTV set already has a QAM tuner, since I dont need DVR function for now, is it still mandatory that one need to order HDTV box (or DVR) for $150 extra per yr in order to view HDTV channel?

Thanx
post #1329 of 17990
I believe the only HD channels you'll get going direct to the QAM capable TV, is the HD broadcast content (locals). All premium material will require an HD STB.
post #1330 of 17990
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If the HDTV set already has a QAM tuner, since I dont need DVR function for now, is it still mandatory that one need to order HDTV box (or DVR) for $150 extra per yr in order to view HDTV channel?

All the channels, aside from the DTV/HDTV locals (confirmed as unencrypted), are encrypted, and would require either the HDTV STB/DVR, or a CableCard, which FiOS offers for $2.95/mo.

So to answer your question, no, you do not need to order the HDTV STB/DVR if your TV has a CableCard slot. But you would need to pay $2.95/mo for the CableCard. Normally, FiOS will give you the standard (non-HD) set-top box for free when you commit to a year of service. You could ask if they'll give you the CableCard for free instead of that standard set-top box (which normally costs $3.95/mo), when committing to a year of service.
post #1331 of 17990
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First the 6400 and 3400 series DVR boxes along with the 2500 digital boxes support sharing recorded content over existing cables within the house.

Note these boxes can't communicate together on their own, they require additional hardware, namely a coax run and Internet (ethernet) connection to a separate Motorola NIM.

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Also I read the tech docs and it fully supports OCAP so that any guide software can be used with this home media solution. So that means that Tivo software ported to these boxes can offer home media features. Comcast may call it home networking option as that is what Tivo calls it but it may still endup using the existing coax cables unlike current Tivo standalone boxes.

The QIP series is the MoCA version of the standard Motorola DCT-series. Search the web for MoCA and QIP6416, QIP6200, or QIP2500 and you will find a number of press releases which discuss the addition of MoCA capability.

Since the QIP series is just a version of the DCT series (used by Comcast) with MoCA, it should be able to do everything the DCT-6416 can, including the use of Tivo's software implementation for Comcast, should FiOS choose to offer it.
post #1332 of 17990
I believe this hasn't been asked yet, so:

Does Verizon offer the PBS subchannels? (Such as WETA World, WETA Create, WETA Kids, MPT Kids, MPT Select, and MPT Learner)

I couldn't find it on their channel lineup, but I remember some kind of a deal was struck a while ago.
post #1333 of 17990
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Originally Posted by SJKurtzke View Post

I believe this hasn't been asked yet, so:

Does Verizon offer the PBS subchannels? (Such as WETA World, WETA Create, WETA Kids, MPT Kids, MPT Select, and MPT Learner)

I couldn't find it on their channel lineup, but I remember some kind of a deal was struck a while ago.

Yeah, they are new (around Aug 1) and are in the upper 800's for Howard Co, MD. Maybe different in your area because all of our locals are numbered differently because we get both Baltimore and DC local channels in HD, and it's too many channels to fit in the 810's.

-John
post #1334 of 17990
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Does Verizon offer the PBS subchannels? (Such as WETA World, WETA Create, WETA Kids, MPT Kids, MPT Select, and MPT Learner)

Yes, they do.
post #1335 of 17990
Ontario, CA OKs cable franchise with Verizon

ONTARIO - The city has approved a cable franchise with Verizon, paving the way for two different firms in the city offering cable television services.

Verizon is installing fiber-optic lines in several Inland Valley cities, which will allow for cable and high-speed Internet service that is faster than most cable modems or DSL lines.

Currently, Time Warner Cable is the only cable television service provider in the city.

Satellite firms do not need a franchise agreement with the city.

The agreement with Verizon will give Ontario five percent of gross revenues from cable service in the city. The existing agreement with Time Warner brought $461,000 into city coffers in the last fiscal year.

-- Mason Stockstill, (909) 483-9354
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4204609
post #1336 of 17990
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Originally Posted by jgantert View Post

Yeah, they are new (around Aug 1) and are in the upper 800's for Howard Co, MD. Maybe different in your area because all of our locals are numbered differently because we get both Baltimore and DC local channels in HD, and it's too many channels to fit in the 810's.

-John

Wait, REALLY? HoCo is getting both DC and Baltimore locals in HD?!?

This is a HUGE development! The same situation that's been going on in the Balt-DC area has been happening in NJ, where cable companies offer both NYC and Philadelphia locals - but on NYC locals in HD, even though in some areas the majority of sports fans want to see PHL teams (especially the Eagles). I posted a thread about this at BroadbandReports and the cable apologists came out of the woodword to trash me, telling me that due to DMA regs, the cable companies can't carry "significantly viewed" locals for other markets. I knew they were quite wrong just from my limited experience working with a couple media ownership companies, but I couldn't prove it since no one was doing two sets of HD locals.

If it's true that HoCo FiOS users have both sets of HD locals, that is MAJOR news for when NJ gets hooked up this year.
post #1337 of 17990
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

All the channels, aside from the DTV/HDTV locals (confirmed as unencrypted), are encrypted, and would require either the HDTV STB/DVR, or a CableCard, which FiOS offers for $2.95/mo.

Since when are there any clear QAM channels? As of late June FIOS I had no clear QAM channels.
post #1338 of 17990
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Since when are there any clear QAM channels? As of late June FIOS I had no clear QAM channels.

It may depend on your local office, I don't know. But I'm confirmed local DTV channels in the clear on QAM.
post #1339 of 17990
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Originally Posted by TurboDan View Post

Wait, REALLY? HoCo is getting both DC and Baltimore locals in HD?!?

...I posted a thread about this at BroadbandReports and the cable apologists came out of the woodword to trash me, telling me that due to DMA regs, the cable companies can't carry "significantly viewed" locals for other markets. I knew they were quite wrong just from my limited experience working with a couple media ownership companies, but I couldn't prove it since no one was doing two sets of HD locals.

If it's true that HoCo FiOS users have both sets of HD locals, that is MAJOR news for when NJ gets hooked up this year.

Yes, that stuff about DMA regs is nonsense. Here in AA both cable companies have carried DC and Baltimore locals for years... albeit in analog only. They also *carry* both in HD but only map Baltimore to channels on the STB. As someone mentioned earlier, hopefully they'll feel the pressure from Verizon and also map DC.
post #1340 of 17990
Comcast in Laurel, MD (where my parents live) has FOX45 Baltimore and FOX5 Washington in HD on their STB. FOX45 is owned by Sinclair, so they added FOX5 during the Comcast/Sinclair pissing match.The other HD channels are from Baltimore.

FIOS is coming to Laurel, probably with both sets of HD locals. Maybe Comcast will then add the rest. But at that point, who cares? Especially if FIOS gets INHD like E* has.

Unfortunately, I'm in Baltimore City and might not get FIOS for a very long time.
post #1341 of 17990
Yeah, getting big cities wired for FiOS will be a chore, to say the least. I'd suspect certain areas of Baltimore City will be wired as the wiring makes its way in from other parts of Baltimore County.

It's a much stickier situation in NYC. They probably won't have it for a LONG time, while NJ and LI are already getting wired for FiOS.
post #1342 of 17990
I noticed a bit of video stutter on my boxes last night. I called tech support and they acknowledged there was a system problem on many of the HD channels last night. Interestingly, ESPN HD was free of any issues. This morning everything seems fine.

Anyone else notice this last night?
post #1343 of 17990
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Originally Posted by fmsjr View Post

Yes, that stuff about DMA regs is nonsense. Here in AA both cable companies have carried DC and Baltimore locals for years... albeit in analog only. They also *carry* both in HD but only map Baltimore to channels on the STB. As someone mentioned earlier, hopefully they'll feel the pressure from Verizon and also map DC.

I am in between LA and San Diego but in the LA area according to the FCC (even though I am closer to SD and work in SD). Therefore any Cable Co's in the area have to carry the LA locals. Some of the Cable Co's in the area will carry some of the local SD channels as well. FiOS does not carry any SD channels. I think the NFL black out rule with the SD Chargers covers both SD and LA.
post #1344 of 17990
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

It may depend on your local office, I don't know. But I'm confirmed local DTV channels in the clear on QAM.

Every setup will be different, but I'd be interested to know how many HD locals they put on on RF channel in your area. I have a MyHD MDP-130 PCI HD tuner card that can receive clear QAM and has an option to record either a single subchannel or the entire transport stream. The latter eats up hard drive space like crazy, but my local TWC puts 3 HD locals on 1 RF channel and 2 HD + several SD on another. If there are conflicting shows on 2 or 3 subchannels of the same channel, I can record them all and pick what to watch on playback. That's handy when the nets roll out their new shows and during sweeps.
post #1345 of 17990
I have FIOS for internet and LOVE it!! Saves me about $250/yr over Comcast. I wanted to get the FIOS TV as well, but I have 6 TVs in this house and two are custom installed with no room for a box. One is a small under cabinet TV in the kitchen and the other is a 50" plasma with HD tuner and CableCard. I just don't want the fees for all the additional boxes I would need for the other TVs. Anyone have a brainstorm?? I want to dump Comcast bad. They did lower my cable bill to $34/month after I had "a chat" with them.
post #1346 of 17990
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Originally Posted by Marcus Carr View Post

Comcast in Laurel, MD (where my parents live) has FOX45 Baltimore and FOX5 Washington in HD on their STB. FOX45 is owned by Sinclair, so they added FOX5 during the Comcast/Sinclair pissing match.The other HD channels are from Baltimore.

Are you sure your parents don't live in North Laurel (i.e., Howard County, outside the city limits)? Or perhaps in Anne Arundel? I live in the City of Laurel proper, and I haven't been on Comcast since 2000, but I remember there was a big fuss when Comcast here dropped the Baltimore locals. AFAIK that's still the status quo.

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FIOS is coming to Laurel, probably with both sets of HD locals.

I hope you're right, but this was an issue at the time of the franchise negotiations with the city, and Verizon ended up not agreeing to carry both sets. No real explanation was given. Of course the situation is different for Howard County, or Anne Arundel, or unincorporated Prince George's -- all adjoining the city.

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Originally Posted by david4788 View Post

I wanted to get the FIOS TV as well, but I have 6 TVs in this house and two are custom installed with no room for a box. One is a small under cabinet TV in the kitchen and the other is a 50" plasma with HD tuner and CableCard.

You can get CableCard with Fios, too, although it does cost $3 a month per card. For the other set(s), you can treat the Fios signal as regular analog cable, if you're content with the channels below 50 (mainly locals and public access).
post #1347 of 17990
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Originally Posted by david4788 View Post

I wanted to get the FIOS TV as well, but I have 6 TVs in this house and two are custom installed with no room for a box. One is a small under cabinet TV in the kitchen and the other is a 50" plasma with HD tuner and CableCard.

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Originally Posted by wmcbrine View Post

You can get CableCard with Fios, too, although it does cost $3 a month per card. For the other set(s), you can treat the Fios signal as regular analog cable, if you're content with the channels below 50 (mainly locals and public access).

If you don't have enough viewers that you need to watch different programs on all or many of the sets at the same time, you might run the RF out from one of the standard STBs to the kitchen... choosing an STB that is within remote control distance. Even if none are nearby, a remote extender might end up being cheaper than $5/month for a dedicated STB.
Our problem is bedroom TVs, PC cards, ReplayTVs, split screen tuners (NTSC only), DVD recorders... we would need about a dozen STBs for all of this junk. Can't justify boxes for sets that are watched just a few hours per month. I may keep Comcast's most basic service in addition to FiOS TV for as long as they have analog...but channels are slowly disappearing to the digital tier.
post #1348 of 17990
Local Officials are morons: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_467234.html

PA Hearings:

"By Kim Leonard
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, August 23, 2006


Local government officials worry that their residents' cable TV service will suffer if Verizon and other providers are allowed to bypass individual negotiations with them and apply for one statewide franchise. Five local officials testified before the state House Consumer Affairs Committee on Tuesday in Pittsburgh, detailing concerns about legislation that telecommunications giant Verizon has been advocating as a quicker way to bring its state-of-the-art FiOS TV service to Pennsylvania.

"The current system of using local franchising agreements is a documented success," Helen Jackson, a New Beaver councilwoman and president of the state Association of Councils of Governments, testified during the hearing at the David L. Lawrence Convention Center, Downtown.

Cable companies with longstanding franchises argued against the bill, while telecommunications firms and consumer agencies said a streamlined franchising process would benefit customers by ushering in myriad TV choices and lower prices.

Jackson and and Cranberry Supervisor Richard Hadley, Crescent Commissioner David Hays, Washington, Pa., Mayor Ken Westcott and Peters Assistant Manager Paul Lauer contend that the Corporation Bureau of Pennsylvania's Department of State -- which would administer the statewide franchise -- couldn't possibly keep tabs on cable providers as well as local officials have done for more than 20 years.

That means intervening when service calls aren't answered promptly, they say. Controlling and maintaining the rights of way where cables run. Making sure that no-cost service is provided to libraries, schools and community centers, that public, educational and government channels stay on the air and that companies work to provide service to all neighborhoods.

State Rep. Raymond Bunt Jr., a prime sponsor of the House bill and a committee member, disputed their arguments, saying the bill protects all the key points of local control while allowing TV competition that will reduce consumers' bills. "Have you read it?" he asked.

Verizon, as well as dominant cable provider Comcast and any other company that secures a statewide agreement, still would pay communities franchise fees of up to 5 percent of gross revenues, as federal law dictates, said Bunt, R-Montgomery County.

Cranberry's 4 percent fee brings in about $170,000 a year from Comcast, money used to maintain the pathways the company's lines use, Hadley said. Still, Bunt pointed out that constituents, not the companies, actually foot the franchise revenues.

Verizon's ongoing construction of a fiber-optic network designed to deliver voice, Internet and TV service figures into the franchise debate, although bill supporters say any of the state's 36 other phone companies, or other providers, someday may offer TV service. Verizon's new lines now stretch over parts of 200 Pennsylvania communities, including 62 in the Pittsburgh region.

Verizon has obtained TV franchises the old-fashioned way with 25 eastern Pennsylvania communities. None yet has FiOS TV service -- which the company said can sustain 220 high-definition channels -- and offers other pluses over traditional cable.

Negotiations continue with about 125 others -- but Verizon's Pennsylvania territory covers 1,600 municipalities. Verizon Pennsylvania President William Petersen said although the company's "slow pace may be good news for cable companies, it is anything but good news for consumers."

The Consumer Affairs Committee will hold three or four more hearings statewide in September on the House bill, introduced in June by Bunt and state Rep. Joseph Preston, D-East Liberty, also a committee member. The Senate is considering a similar bill.

Bunt said the House version has more than 80 cosponsors, and he hopes the Consumer Affairs Committee will advance it for a vote after the hearing process. "We only have October and November" before the end of the legislative session, he said.
post #1349 of 17990
Towns make deal on cable TV

By WINSLOW MASON JR.
Bucks County Courier Times

Some local communities could see cable television competition before year's end, according to an agreement reached Tuesday between Verizon and 35 Bucks communities.

The Bucks County Verizon Franchise Consortium, which represents those 35 municipalities, has negotiated a model franchise agreement that would allow Verizon to send television signals over its fiber-optic telephone lines, said group spokesman Robert Pellegrino, who is also the Newtown Township manager.

Highlights of the agreement, which all 35 towns must adopt by ordinance, says Verizon must pay each town 5 percent of the gross revenues it generates in that municipality. Verizon also agrees to make a government access channel available in each town that adopts the ordinance.

Verizon's fiber-optic television service would be the first major competition for Comcast, which is the major provider of cable service in Bucks.

Fiber-optic lines are strands of optically pure glass as thin as a human hair that can carry digital information over long distances.

Some towns will get Verizon's fiber-optic cable service faster than others, Pellegrino said. Verizon has already started building its fiber-optic network in some Bucks communities, he said.

As each town adopts its ordinance with Verizon, it will also get a schedule of when cable service will be available.

Pellegrino said Newtown Township might be able to adopt its ordinance by early fall and have cable competition by year's end or early 2007 because Verizon has already started building its fiber-optic network there.

Other towns in the consortium could see cable competition before the end of 2006,
he said, but that depends on how quickly the towns adopt the ordinance and how quickly Verizon installs its network, he said.

We're happy with the agreement and we're looking forward to bringing competition to our communities, Pellegrino said.

Verizon spokeswoman Sharon Shaffer said the Bucks agreement comes on the heels of a similar consortium agreement in Montgomery County and individual franchise agreements throughout the five-county Philadelphia metro region.

Thanks to this latest agreement with the Bucks consortium, Verizon will be able to offer the first real cable competition in Bucks County, Shaffer said Tuesday. This is a good day for Bucks residents.
post #1350 of 17990
Well now I'm REALLY pissed. Yesterday I was driving thru Lindenhurst NY and saw 3 Verizon trucks on a corner. I drove over and asked them when can I tell cablevision to take a hike(not the usual price hike). They said the mayor told them to stop work in the village so they are moving on to Northport. If they receive opposition they just move on to another town.

Now who do I call at Verizon to get info and keep the ball rolling and what do I do at the town level to impress upon the mayor that he can keep his free cable but we want FIOS.

Who can I call at Verizon to see if they are still negotiating with the town? I will go to town hall tomorrow and probably get arrested.

I WANT MY FIOS!!!!!
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