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post #1441 of 17512
9/26/06 at 10:28am
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060926/nytu153.html?.v=58

Andover and Boxford Massachusetts - Franchises approved !
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post #1442 of 17512
9/26/06 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Dmon4u View Post

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060926/nytu153.html?.v=58

Andover and Boxford Massachusetts - Franchises approved !

Congratulations to those in these towns.

I have a question for all you FIOS customers how is ESPN HD looking over FIOS as it seems to suck on every other carier
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post #1443 of 17512
9/26/06 at 5:07pm
Hello, Here in Tewksbury, MA Verizon just rolled out FiOS but since I live on the line to Wilmington with a Wlmington exchange i cannot get FiOS yet.
Question: Comcast came to my door to offer me fiber optic service for internet, Phone and now I forget if he offered it for tv. He said that they are all wired for fiber optics. Is this the same as Verizon FiOS? I never new Comcast was going fiber optic is this true?

Steve
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post #1444 of 17512
9/26/06 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by Strimples View Post

Hello, Here in Tewksbury, MA Verizon just rolled out FiOS but since I live on the line to Wilmington with a Wlmington exchange i cannot get FiOS yet.
Question: Comcast came to my door to offer me fiber optic service for internet, Phone and now I forget if he offered it for tv. He said that they are all wired for fiber optics. Is this the same as Verizon FiOS? I never new Comcast was going fiber optic is this true?

Steve

Yes they are on fiber, but........the fiber stops at the beginning of your neighborhood at their node. From there, it travels on copper to the rest of the homes in your neighborhood. Therefore you are sharing your internet connection with your neighbors and the telephone they are offering is VOIP. Ask yourself this....how well does your computer work when the power goes out? I would guess not too well and since their digital voice is VOIP, neither will your phone service.
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post #1445 of 17512
9/26/06 at 7:20pm
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Congratulations to those in these towns.

I have a question for all you FIOS customers how is ESPN HD looking over FIOS as it seems to suck on every other carier

It really depends on the broadcast. Sports Center studio shots look superb, the best I've ever seen it look....in fact some of the best 720p I've ever seen. Some games look great and others just so so. I think FIOS is giving you the best that ESPN offers and it's just dependant upon the broadcast.
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post #1446 of 17512
9/27/06 at 7:04am
Verizon: 100K FiOS TV Subs

By Steve Donohue 9/27/2006 6:57:00 AM

Verizon finally detailed subscriber counts for its FiOS TV and FiOS Internet products Wednesday morning, saying that it expects to count 100,000 FiOS TV and 500,000 FiOS Internet subs by the end of the third quarter.


The company said it's been posting monthly churn rates of less than 1.5% for both products.

Verizon also predicted that it will count 4 million FiOS TV subs and 7 million FiOS Internet subscribers by 2010.

The telco, which debuted FiOS TV in Keller last September, said it'll pass 18 million premises with its fiber network by the end of 2010, or more than 50% of the 33 million households in its 28-state footprint. Based on those projections, the company aid that FiOS will generate positive operating income beginning in 2009.

Verizon said its goal is to penetrate 20% to 25% of the pay TV market with FiOS TV by 2010 - or 3 to 4 million FiOS subs based on projections that 15 million households will be video-ready by then.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/...=Breaking+News
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post #1447 of 17512
9/27/06 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by jimrimback View Post

Yes they are on fiber, but........the fiber stops at the beginning of your neighborhood at their node. From there, it travels on copper to the rest of the homes in your neighborhood. Therefore you are sharing your internet connection with your neighbors and the telephone they are offering is VOIP. Ask yourself this....how well does your computer work when the power goes out? I would guess not too well and since their digital voice is VOIP, neither will your phone service.

On FiOS, you share your internet connection with your neighbors too ... and Verizon's VOIP doesn't work any better than cable's when the power goes out. Verizon does provide a bettery back-up (as do most cable companies).
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post #1448 of 17512
9/27/06 at 10:12am
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On FiOS, you share your internet connection with your neighbors too ....

What source did you obtain this info from?
I've had FIOS internet for a year and a half and everything I've always read about FIOS is that it is dedicated to each and every subscriber.
"Cable broadband is shared, so the more customers online, the slower the individual performance. Fiber's different. Your pipe is dedicated to you. "
PC Mag 6/7/06
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post #1449 of 17512
9/27/06 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by slogun View Post

What source did you obtain this info from?

From the ITU-T G.983 (BPON) and ITU-T G.984 (GPON) standards.

http://www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA6357410.html
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Verizon's present FTTP deployments are based on BPON, an ATM-centric architecture that produces shared speeds of 622 Mbps down/155 Mbps up. BPON capacity limits, coupled with the relative nascence of IPTV technology, led Verizon to initially use a cable-like RF overlay to distribute most of the programming for its FiOS TV service.

With the more advanced GPON architecture, Verizon will be able to provide shared downlinks of 2.4 Gbps.

Although GPON provides higher capacity, it can leverage OLTs (optical line terminals) that serve 64 customers. BPONs use 32, meaning the bandwidth is split 32 ways. A GPON can split the bandwidth 32 or 64 ways. On a dedicated basis using the 64-split model, that means one home can get 37.5 Mbps on average, but likely much more than that (100 Mbps-plus) on a shared bandwidth basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BPON
http://www.convergedigest.com/bp-ttp...p?ID=184&ctgy=
http://www.mrgco.com/TOC_Components.html
etc ... just Google BPON or GPON

Verizon BPON (existing / old deployments) - 622 Mbps down / 155 Mbps up shared by 32 customers (max)
Verizon GPON (new deployments starting ???) - 2.4 Gbps down / 1.2 Mbps up shared by 64 customers (max)

Note that this bandwdth is shared between all IP traffic ... Data (internet), voice (VOIP), and IPTV services (VOD). Verizon also has a seperate 860MHz RF overlay that carries all linear video (standard TV channels).
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9/27/06 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by dt_dc View Post

On FiOS, you share your internet connection with your neighbors too ... and Verizon's VOIP doesn't work any better than cable's when the power goes out. Verizon does provide a bettery back-up (as do most cable companies).

Hmm, never got a battery backup from Cablevision's VOIP.
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post #1451 of 17512
9/27/06 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Hmm, never got a battery backup from Cablevision's VOIP.

CableVision "provides" battery back-ups ... however, they do charge ($44.95) for them.
http://www.optimum.com/voice/customize/battery.jsp
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post #1452 of 17512
9/27/06 at 3:31pm
Does anyone know if verizon is going to add PBS Kids any time soon?
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post #1453 of 17512
9/27/06 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by dt_dc View Post

CableVision "provides" battery back-ups ... however, they do charge ($44.95) for them.
http://www.optimum.com/voice/customize/battery.jsp

That figures!
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post #1454 of 17512
9/27/06 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by dt_dc View Post

On FiOS, you share your internet connection with your neighbors too ... and Verizon's VOIP doesn't work any better than cable's when the power goes out. Verizon does provide a bettery back-up (as do most cable companies).

ahh....the uninformed......

No, you don't share your connection as you do with cable and voice is not provided over VOIP. Verizon's BBU provides hours worth of talk time in the event of a power failure.
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post #1455 of 17512
9/27/06 at 11:32pm
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Does anyone know if verizon is going to add PBS Kids any time soon?

I am having a problem finding contact information for FIOS TV to inquire about programming (PBS Kids and more importantly MSG and FSNY!) I can only find information on their site to phone for ordering service, etc. Anybody have an email address to check on programming??
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post #1456 of 17512
9/28/06 at 4:12am
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I am having a problem finding contact information for FIOS TV to inquire about programming (PBS Kids and more importantly MSG and FSNY!) I can only find information on their site to phone for ordering service, etc. Anybody have an email address to check on programming??

I've found both generic channel lineup and specific area channel lineups on their website
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post #1457 of 17512
9/28/06 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by jimrimback View Post

ahh....the uninformed......

No, you don't share your connection as you do with cable and voice is not provided over VOIP. Verizon's BBU provides hours worth of talk time in the event of a power failure.

ahh ... the befuddled ...

Sorry, but yes, a Fios internet connection is just as shared with everyone on your PON as a cable connection is shared with everyone on your node. 622Mbps downs / 155Mbps up (minus overhead and additional traffic) shared by up to 32 homes. Now, Verizon may (and I emphasize may) be using a fixed split for the time being ... but if (and I emphasize if) they are ... they won't be doing so for long. If you've got knowledge Verizon is using a fixed split ... feel free to share.

As to VOIP ... AFAIK Fios uses VoATM. VoIP / VoATM ... whatever. No, VoATM isn't VoIP in the technical / purist definition where IP="Internet Protocol". However, were IP starts getting used in the more general sense of "packetized" ... it'll do in a pinch.

If you can succinctly explain the difference between VoATM and VoIP please do so. Otherwise, I'll keep using VoIP to refer to both in non-technical situations because, quite frankly, it's becoming common practice to do so.
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post #1458 of 17512
9/28/06 at 9:27am
VoATM and VoIP are quite similar. In fact the encoded, packetized voice is the same in either encapsulation.

ATM is a layer 2 encapsulation and is used to deliver most fiber and DSL services (IP is layer 3). Therefore, the IP internet connection is truly, IP over ATM. VoATM cuts out the additional layer of IP overhead. In this scenario, VoIP would truly be, VoIPoATM. Confusing enough?
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9/28/06 at 10:51am
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I am having a problem finding contact information for FIOS TV to inquire about programming (PBS Kids and more importantly MSG and FSNY!) I can only find information on their site to phone for ordering service, etc. Anybody have an email address to check on programming??

Call the 877 number you used for activation. The channels aren't available yet, but if enough people call and complain (or request) the channels, we should get them.
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post #1460 of 17512
9/28/06 at 11:55am
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ahh ... the befuddled ...

Sorry, but yes, a Fios internet connection is just as shared with everyone on your PON as a cable connection is shared with everyone on your node. 622Mbps downs / 155Mbps up (minus overhead and additional traffic) shared by up to 32 homes. Now, Verizon may (and I emphasize may) be using a fixed split for the time being ... but if (and I emphasize if) they are ... they won't be doing so for long. If you've got knowledge Verizon is using a fixed split ... feel free to share.

As to VOIP ... AFAIK Fios uses VoATM. VoIP / VoATM ... whatever. No, VoATM isn't VoIP in the technical / purist definition where IP="Internet Protocol". However, were IP starts getting used in the more general sense of "packetized" ... it'll do in a pinch.

If you can succinctly explain the difference between VoATM and VoIP please do so. Otherwise, I'll keep using VoIP to refer to both in non-technical situations because, quite frankly, it's becoming common practice to do so.

Hey, what the heck, whatever they call it, however they do it, it's faster and the picture is better!
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9/29/06 at 1:10am
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Originally Posted by KenA View Post

Call the 877 number you used for activation. The channels aren't available yet, but if enough people call and complain (or request) the channels, we should get them.

Thanks I will give it a try. I am extremely eager to ditch D* as soon as FiosTV becomes available (I love the internet service) but with hockey season looming it will be a moot point if there is no MSG available.
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post #1462 of 17512
9/29/06 at 5:05am
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Thanks I will give it a try. I am extremely eager to ditch D* as soon as FiosTV becomes available (I love the internet service) but with hockey season looming it will be a moot point if there is no MSG available.

It's not Fios that's keeping those channels off their service - both channels are partly or fully owned by Cablevision, which has refused to allow their competitor to carry them. Verizon has sued Cablevision to force a carraige agreement. Cablevision is historically difficult in these situations, so I wouldn't expect MSG or FSNY anytime soon.
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post #1463 of 17512
9/29/06 at 6:55am
Inspite of claiming "unlimited" bandwidth , Verizon has been slow in adding HD channels or features which will separate them from the cable companies. The customer service is totally clueless. They do not have a contact number for programming questions and the website is not upto the mark.

I have Verizon FIOS in my area and will wait to switch from Comcast until it offers me a unique offering ( either a price break or more features).
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post #1464 of 17512
9/29/06 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by jdoe7890 View Post

Inspite of claiming "unlimited" bandwidth , Verizon has been slow in adding HD channels or features which will separate them from the cable companies. The customer service is totally clueless. They do not have a contact number for programming questions and the website is not upto the mark.

I have Verizon FIOS in my area and will wait to switch from Comcast until it offers me a unique offering ( either a price break or more features).

I can only speak from personal experience, but everything you want is what Verizon offered me. The HD offering was better than Comcast and the price of the overall service was much better. Verizon will add Food and HGTV in HD later this year.

Verizon also has networked DVR that can play music, videos and pictures from your computer on any TV in the house that's networked in using the Verizon box.
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post #1465 of 17512
9/30/06 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by arnoldevns View Post

I can only speak from personal experience, but everything you want is what Verizon offered me. The HD offering was better than Comcast and the price of the overall service was much better. Verizon will add Food and HGTV in HD later this year.

Verizon also has networked DVR that can play music, videos and pictures from your computer on any TV in the house that's networked in using the Verizon box.

Arnold, where did you hear about the additional HD channels coming to FIOS?
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post #1466 of 17512
9/30/06 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by dt_dc View Post

ahh ... the befuddled ...

Sorry, but yes, a Fios internet connection is just as shared with everyone on your PON as a cable connection is shared with everyone on your node.

I think the point is that unlike a cable conection that drops to less than 1Mbs (from advertised 5Mbs) during busy periods in the hood, FIOS stays at its advertised speed all the time.

Depending on far up the connection chain you want to look everyones' connection is eventually shared.
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post #1467 of 17512
9/30/06 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by dt_dc View Post

ahh ... the befuddled ...

Sorry, but yes, a Fios internet connection is just as shared with everyone on your PON as a cable connection is shared with everyone on your node. 622Mbps downs / 155Mbps up (minus overhead and additional traffic) shared by up to 32 homes. Now, Verizon may (and I emphasize may) be using a fixed split for the time being ... but if (and I emphasize if) they are ... they won't be doing so for long. If you've got knowledge Verizon is using a fixed split ... feel free to share.

As to VOIP ... AFAIK Fios uses VoATM. VoIP / VoATM ... whatever. No, VoATM isn't VoIP in the technical / purist definition where IP="Internet Protocol". However, were IP starts getting used in the more general sense of "packetized" ... it'll do in a pinch.

If you can succinctly explain the difference between VoATM and VoIP please do so. Otherwise, I'll keep using VoIP to refer to both in non-technical situations because, quite frankly, it's becoming common practice to do so.

Wouldn't they have to be using a "fixed split" to provide different bandwidths from the same PON? (5MB/15MB)
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post #1468 of 17512
9/30/06 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Arnold, where did you hear about the additional HD channels coming to FIOS?

It was in a press release that was put out last year. When the two channels launched earlier this year I e-mailed Verizon and they confirmed that they would add the two HD channels "later this year" to all of their Verizon Fios systems.
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post #1469 of 17512
10/2/06 at 11:14am
Digital NASA TV

NASA TV's Public, Education and Media channels are available:

+ For Cable or Satellite Service Providers

What is Digital NASA TV?

Digital NASA TV has two digital channels:

1. NASA Public ("Free to Air"), featuring documentaries, archival programming, and coverage of NASA missions and events;
2. NASA Education ("Free to Air/Addressable"), dedicated to providing a educational programming to schools, educational institutions and museums.

Oh, how about this channel on 102.
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post #1470 of 17512
10/2/06 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by arnoldevns View Post

It was in a press release that was put out last year. When the two channels launched earlier this year I e-mailed Verizon and they confirmed that they would add the two HD channels "later this year" to all of their Verizon Fios systems.

Ah, thanks. Anyone else hear anything relative to new HD on FIOS?
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