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post #17011 of 17987
You can get at least $20 a pop for those routers on ebay if you want to go through the hassle, I know I would. I don't let anything collect dust. I buy and sell everything !!!
post #17012 of 17987
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Originally Posted by kenvt View Post

You can get at least $20 a pop for those routers on ebay if you want to go through the hassle, I know I would. I don't let anything collect dust. I buy and sell everything !!!

My routers still show up on my account. But they seem to be deeply hidden in the menu structure. But since since they have a record of them, at some point in the future they might require them back, otherwise they would charge me alot of money for each one.
post #17013 of 17987
Yes, don't sell your routers because if you decide to switch to a different provider then you have to return all the Verizon equipment.
Verizon charges you $100 for an unreturned router. I know because it happened to me (had to buy one for $25 on ebay to avoid the $100 charge. lol )
post #17014 of 17987
aaronwt, do you sub to FiOS TV? If so, what are you using for the MoCa part? Does your router include it? I've seen maybe two MoCa routers in the retail market and they cost more than I wanted to spend.
post #17015 of 17987
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

aaronwt, do you sub to FiOS TV? If so, what are you using for the MoCa part? Does your router include it? I've seen maybe two MoCa routers in the retail market and they cost more than I wanted to spend.

I have FiOS TV but I don't use their STBs. If I ever use their STBs again I can just put the FiOS router behind my router for VOD and guide data. At least that worked for me back in 2007/2008.
post #17016 of 17987
I was under the impression once you have been with fios for a time (I think a year) the router is YOURS!

Four years plus for me
post #17017 of 17987
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

The latest actiontec routers do support Gigabit speeds. I got a replacement recently and the tech swapped me for a Gig version. If you go to the Verizon equipment site it's listed. I thing it's red vs black front.

Thanks. I think I have the Gigabit version (model M1424WR).

I signed up for the 75/35 plan, and I'm getting over 75Mb down...actually closer to 80-84Mb. But my upload speed doesn't seem to get above 17-19Mb. While that is about 3x faster than I was getting from Time Warner it's still only about half of the advertised speed. Also, my ping is always over 50ms. That seems a bit high to me as I used to get about 10ms with TWC. Should I give Verizon a call to find out if something isn't configured properly?
post #17018 of 17987
I use speedtest.net and on my 50/25 plan I get consistent 60/35 speeds. Ping time is never more than 8 ms. With speedtest you can choose your test location, and I've found that trying different ones WILL affect the results.
Edited by rich3fan - 10/10/12 at 12:53pm
post #17019 of 17987
Anyone know why it takes so long for certain On Demand programs to be added to the library. I'm still waiting for SNL. Also, why don't they offer 2 Broke Girls and How I Met Your Mother on demand?
post #17020 of 17987
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Originally Posted by mdviewer25 View Post

Anyone know why it takes so long for certain On Demand programs to be added to the library. I'm still waiting for SNL. Also, why don't they offer 2 Broke Girls and How I Met Your Mother on demand?

VOD programming comes from the networks so any complaints need to be directed to them. As for 2BG & HIMYM they may come later as it took some time for Big Bang Theory to show up. Then again I remember when [adult swim] wasn't available on FiOS while Comcast had it.

Patience grasshopper. cool.gif
post #17021 of 17987
Can anyone tell me the monthly equipment fees for the Fios routers and dvr set top boxes?

-Thanks smile.gif
post #17022 of 17987
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Originally Posted by InsaneOstrich View Post

Can anyone tell me the monthly equipment fees for the Fios routers and dvr set top boxes?
-Thanks smile.gif

Wireless router is free, and DVR boxes are $16.99. At least those are the prices for NYC.
post #17023 of 17987
Hey guys, a couple other questions as I'm getting up to speed with my new FiOS service. Is there a way to get the DVR to play in slow motion? The best I've come up with is to press pause and then the skip button repeatedly...it's something, but not exactly ideal. Also, how do I get picture in picture to work? The pip button doesn't do anything on my remote. Thanks.
post #17024 of 17987
I can't answer the second question but the first question the answer is no.
post #17025 of 17987
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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post

Hey guys, a couple other questions as I'm getting up to speed with my new FiOS service. Is there a way to get the DVR to play in slow motion? The best I've come up with is to press pause and then the skip button repeatedly...it's something, but not exactly ideal. Also, how do I get picture in picture to work? The pip button doesn't do anything on my remote. Thanks.
Pause, and hitting the 30 sec skip will move one frame. Pause and hitting fast forward will play in slo-mo.
Pip button does nothing, as there is no pip.
post #17026 of 17987
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Originally Posted by rustycruiser View Post

Pause, and hitting the 30 sec skip will move one frame. Pause and hitting fast forward will play in slo-mo.
Pip button does nothing, as there is no pip.

Thanks. How in the world is there no pip??? The box has two tuners...what possible reason could there be for not having it? mad.gif
post #17027 of 17987
It appears people over at dslreports.com are starting to see Cartoon Network HD on channel 757. So far it seems to be in New York.
post #17028 of 17987
Someone on the FIOS online chat thing told me to expect it (in Virginia) around October 26th, but they've said that before...
post #17029 of 17987

I just received a promo in the mail from AT&T for their U-verse service.   They claim that this is also a fiber optics connection for HDTV that is the same as Verizon's FIOS.   Is this correct?    Any thoughts?

post #17030 of 17987
U-Verse is not always FTTP (fiber to the premise) for their installs. Most often, it's FTTN (fiber to the node) which really isn't a whole lot different than most cable networks now. The real distinction with U-Verse is their entire channel lineup is IPTV (which makes them VERY different from Verizon for TV delivery.) Image quality is generally regarded to be ok,, but it all has to be re-compressed for their MPEG4 IPTV streams and many people may feel that the bitrate is a bit compromised.
post #17031 of 17987
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Originally Posted by bull3964 View Post

U-Verse is not always FTTP (fiber to the premise) for their installs. Most often, it's FTTN (fiber to the node) which really isn't a whole lot different than most cable networks now. The real distinction with U-Verse is their entire channel lineup is IPTV (which makes them VERY different from Verizon for TV delivery.) Image quality is generally regarded to be ok,, but it all has to be re-compressed for their MPEG4 IPTV streams and many people may feel that the bitrate is a bit compromised.


To summarize, then, how would you rank Cable, U-verse, FIOS for pic quality of HDTV?

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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


To summarize, then, how would you rank Cable, U-verse, FIOS for pic quality of HDTV?

Having never seen U-Verse in person, I can't really comment on the picture quality. I do know that my FIOS gives a far superior quality to my parent's Comcast TV. But as everything, that varies widely by area.

U-Verse runs similar bitrates as Dish Network (around 6Mbps MPEG4), so I would expect their image quality to be similar.
post #17033 of 17987
I would put Uverse above something like Time Warner, but below Dish and DirecTV, Not close to FiOS.

From what I and my gf have had.

1.)FiOS
2.)DirecTV
3.)Dish
4.)Uverse
5.)Time Warner


She currently has Uverse and used to have Dish. I have FiOS and DirecTV at the country house. Used to have Time Warner(SDV). Uverse is Fiber to the street. But everything comes in on what simply looks like telephone line. I like the service. Very similar in fit and finish to Windows Media Center. Far more channels on Uverse. If I had to choose between it and FiOS with the regular DVR, I'd choose Uverse. Picture isn't bad by any means, just not the FiOS pop and DVR service is superior.
post #17034 of 17987
I just came from U-verse. The PQ wasn't bad at all. It wasn't on par with FIOS but not bad and their dvr is definitely superior. I miss being able to record 4 shows at once. I can't wait for the fios home server to come out.
post #17035 of 17987
Get a TiVo and you can record for programs concurrently from one box. Plus it's much cheaper than endlessly renting the box from FiOS for many years. Plus you own the TiVo and can sell a lifetime TiVos years down the road and recoup the bulk of the cost.
post #17036 of 17987
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Get a TiVo and you can record for programs concurrently from one box. Plus it's much cheaper than endlessly renting the box from FiOS for many years. Plus you own the TiVo and can sell a lifetime TiVos years down the road and recoup the bulk of the cost.
Didn't TiVo discontinue the lifetime subscription? I don't think there's that much difference between the monthly subscription for a TiVo and the monthly rental for a DVR from any other company, be it VZ, E*, D*, or a cable provider. But you have the advantage that if the rented box breaks, they will give you a new one and as the technology improves, you can upgrade for minimal initial outlay.
post #17037 of 17987
The have lifetime again for now, it's $499.99

So, you have $149 for a 2 tuner Tivo and $499.99 for lifetime. So, you are in $649.98 to do a single 2 tuner Tivo with a 500gb hard drive.

Verizon DVR boxes (not multi-room since we are going to compare apples to apples in a single device environment) are $16.99 /month. With Tivo, you will need to rent a cable card at $3.99 /month so we'll subtract that from the from the FIOS monthly DVR price. So, that now becomes $13.

At $13/month savings with a $649.98 outlay, it will take 4.1 years to break even.

Things get a bit more favorable for tivo if you NEED 4 tuners. Under that situation, you'll want to do two DVRs. One would be $13 due to the cable card deduction, the other will be the full $16.99 since you'll only need one cable card for the 4 tuner Tivo. The Tivo cost increases by $100.

So, under that situation, it will take you a bit over 2 years to break even.

So, if you need more than 2 tuners, Tivo starts to make more sense. In a two tuner, single DVR environment however, it doesn't make financial sense. In 4 years, the existing tivo boxes will be dinosaurs.
Edited by bull3964 - 10/16/12 at 10:33am
post #17038 of 17987
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Originally Posted by bull3964 View Post

The have lifetime again for now, it's $499.99
So, you have $149 for a 2 tuner Tivo and $499.99 for lifetime. So, you are in $649.98 to do a single 2 tuner Tivo with a 500gb hard drive.
Verizon DVR boxes (not multi-room since we are going to compare apples to apples in a single device environment) are $16.99 /month. With Tivo, you will need to rent a cable card at $3.99 /month so we'll subtract that from the from the FIOS monthly DVR price. So, that now becomes $13.
At $13/month savings with a $649.98 outlay, it will take 4.1 years to break even.
Things get a bit more favorable for tivo if you NEED 4 tuners. Under that situation, you'll want to do two DVRs. One would be $13 due to the cable card deduction, the other will be the full $16.99 since you'll only need one cable card for the 4 tuner Tivo. The Tivo cost increases by $100.
So, under that situation, it will take you a bit over 2 years to break even.
So, if you need more than 2 tuners, Tivo starts to make more sense. In a two tuner, single DVR environment however, it doesn't make financial sense. In 4 years, the existing tivo boxes will be dinosaurs.

The break even point is even less. If you use the coupon code to take $100 off your first TiVo bringing lifetime service down to $399. After that first TiVo on the account, other TiVos added to your account are only $399 for lifetime. Plus you need to factor in the resale value. With that the break even point comes way down. I've had FiOS for over five years. If I had been paying FiOS for their DVRs during that time instead of using TiVos, the money I would have spent would have been much more.

I sold my lifetime S3 TiVos to pay for 80% of the cost of my lifetime, Two Tuner, Premieres. And then later I sold my lifetime, two tuner, Premieres to pay for over 100% of the cost of my two lifetime Elite/XL4 boxes(each has four tuners). If I had been using FiOS DVRs duing this time my costs would have been much, much, much more. Plus I would have had less features and less storage space than I do with my TiVos.
post #17039 of 17987
One of these days you will have to admit that you are a statistical outlier. Yes, for your extreme use case Tivo makes sense, but exceedingly few people have use for 8 tuners and terabytes of storage on their DVRs. The single DVR/two tuner scenario is by far the norm for most households and I'm finding that conflicts are even LESS likely to happen nowadays since things are repeated so often.

I only have two tuners and 2tb of storage space and I already have more recorded content than I know what to do with. My backlog right now is around 100 hours and I'm still only using about 40% of my total storage capacity.
post #17040 of 17987
If and when Tivo ever brings their whole-home solution to market (Mini) it will become a lot more compelling as an alternative. There is no way in hell I would pay for a 3 Tivo's plus lifetime for 3 TV's. BUT, 1 four tuner Tivo with lifetime plus 2 Mini IP STB's... well then I am interested.
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