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post #17731 of 17987
Aaronwt has 150 TB of space available on his home system so....
post #17732 of 17987
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

What am I missing? The TiVo thing makes no sense to me. You have to buy the unit ($600 in this case) and then still pay $15 month for the service. I pay $15 a month for my multi-room DVR from FIOS and I didn't have to buy anything. Even if you do the lifetime subscription, it's $500 + the $600 for the unit = $1100. Divide that by the $15 a month that I don't pay FIOS, and it takes 73 months to break even. These DVRs are outdated within 2-3 years and the warranty is over after 1, so you have an outdated out of warranty DVR that you are still "paying for". On top of that, you still need a cablecard from Verizon that will cost you a monthly fee, so that pushes your "paid for" date even further down the calendar.

How does that make any sense financially whatsoever? Are the 6 tuners that valuable to you guys?
I priced it out in August. The breakeven point is something like 24 to 33 months(depending on Roamio model) before the resale value is taken into account. This was based on my local FiOS prices. Of course this is with $400 lifetime service which everyone can get with the PLSR code(or is it PSLR?).

Plus I have no idea how you get $15 a month for the FiOS DVR. That is only two tuners. You have to price it out for six tuners from FiOS to compare apples to apples. My Roamio Pro and two Minis, all with lifetime service cost $1500. I could have saved some money off of that price by getting a lower end Roamio and adding my own hard drive. But for my Pro and two Minis the breakeven point was 33 months. Although at the time I did the calculation with the $4 cable card fee since that is what it still cost in my area. With the new price it would add alittle more money to the total bringing the break even closer to 34 months. And of course since I own the Roamio Pro, i can sell it for several hunderd dollars at some point to upgrade again to a newer TiVo.

I've been using TiVos with FiOS for 6+ years. If I had been using FiOS DVRs during this time it would have cost me four figures more. Plus I would not even have owned the equipment. Every time a new Tivo is released, i sell my old lifetime TiVos to cover most of the cost of new lifetime Tivos. Selling the older TiVos further reduces the break even point.
I would be pissed it I had been renting cable company DVRs all this time. That is alot of money wasted over the years.

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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

Isnt a drawback that you cant access VOD.

yes that is one disadvantage is no access to FiOS VOD. Although if I had Comcast I would be able to access the Comcast VOD with my TiVos.

I used to pay $10 a month for a FIOS HD STB just for VOD access. But I found that I rarely used it and that I could also get the majority of content from other services. So i returned the HD STB to save the $10 a month.
Edited by aaronwt - 10/4/13 at 12:32pm
post #17733 of 17987
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I priced it out in August.......

It sounds like it makes financial sense for your application. For mine however, it makes no sense whatsoever. Do I need 6 tuners? Absolutely not. 3 would save me a few minutes each week shifting a few shows to other time slots, but it is definitely not worth the massive financial outlay that it would cost me to save about 5 minutes a week. Heck, I waste more time than that browsing the forums. biggrin.gif

I just thought there was some magic deduction or bonus that I was missing that make it balance out.

Glad it works for you, even though it won't for me.
post #17734 of 17987
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

It sounds like it makes financial sense for your application. For mine however, it makes no sense whatsoever. Do I need 6 tuners? Absolutely not. 3 would save me a few minutes each week shifting a few shows to other time slots, but it is definitely not worth the massive financial outlay that it would cost me to save about 5 minutes a week. Heck, I waste more time than that browsing the forums. biggrin.gif

I just thought there was some magic deduction or bonus that I was missing that make it balance out.

Glad it works for you, even though it won't for me.

if you only have one TV and only need two tuners you could still get a lower end TiVo and still save money in the long run. The only way FiOS comes out cheaper is if you are able to always be on an introductory price. Otherwise, in the long run, the cable company DVR is always more expensive.
post #17735 of 17987
I've never felt TiVo was a batter deal then renting the STB in our case (1 multi-room DVR, 2 HD STBs). If you can sell your TiVo when a new one comes, then it's worth the price for new features faster, but you also give up VOD if that's important to you. It's never made sense for us from a money perspective.
post #17736 of 17987
Thank you all for your help,I know I definitely need more than 2 tuners,the only thing I need to decide is if it's better for me to just watch more shows on-demand since I can't record them,or lose on-demand,I don't buy movies,just use VOD to watch shows I've missed. It is a large chunk of change to get a Tivo Pro and 2 mini's,sorry I know this isn't the Tivo page,just wanted some input from Fios customers. smile.gif
post #17737 of 17987
It only cost me in Northern VA $5 more per month plus an $80 installation fee to replace an HD set top box with a 2nd Cisco DVR. This enables one to record 3 shows at once while watching anything you want if the 2nd dvr is not being viewed.
post #17738 of 17987
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Originally Posted by AudiophileWalt View Post

It only cost me in Northern VA $5 more per month plus an $80 installation fee to replace an HD set top box with a 2nd Cisco DVR. This enables one to record 3 shows at once while watching anything you want if the 2nd dvr is not being viewed.

$5 more makes it $15 a month, plus the cost of the Multi-room DVR. Over two to three years this is more expensive than the TiVo solution. And you won't own the FiOS boxes so you are always paying that monthly fee. And with only four tuners you have to compare it to the TiVo Roamio BAsic which also has four tuners and costs $400 less than the Roamio Pro. So a basic Roamio with Liftime is at most $600(less than $200 for the box and $400 for lifetime) (you can get it for less at some online merchants.) And a tiVo Mini with lifetime is at most $250. That would be $850 for both boxes plus a $5 a month cable card fee. So after three years the TiVo package has a cost of $1030. $850 for the TiVos and $180 for the cable card($5 x 36 months= $180). If the Multi-room DVR is $15 a month and the other DVR is $15 that is $30 a month which is a conservative number.(The cost is actually more unless you have a special price). So three years at $30 a month comes out to $1080.

So at the end of those three years you own the TiVo boxes while you are still perpetually paying the monthly rental fee for the FiOS boxes. And you've paid out more money to FiOS. And remember this is based on the two FiOS DVRs only costing $30 a month. In my area the cost of the Multi-room DVR is $20 not $15 and the DVR is $17 so my cost for both boxes each month would actually be $37 for a grand total of $1332 over three years compared to only $1030 over three years for the TiVos. ANd I could still sell those TiVos for several hundred dollars further after three years further reducing the cost. And as usual, the TiVo option is less expensive than the cable company option.
Edited by aaronwt - 10/7/13 at 10:37am
post #17739 of 17987
RIP ESPN3D.....
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Originally Posted by Kascnef82 View Post

RIP ESPN3D.....

Yes i thought that FiOS had ended ESPN carriage early since ESPN had announced that ESPN 3D would be ending near the end of the year. But I see now that ESPN stopped broadcasting ESPN 3D on September 30th.

I was surprised anyway to find out that FiOS charged $10 for ESPN 3D. I only had it because I had the Ultimate HD tier.
post #17741 of 17987
Same here
post #17742 of 17987
Music Choice sounds of the season channel 1832 has started halloween music. biggrin.gif
post #17743 of 17987
NBA TV on channel 589 has been shown in SD for weeks now. In the last week or so, it has switched back and forth from SD to HD and back again a little while later. Now it's been SD for a few days. Channel 589 even shows up on my SD only digital adaptor. I'm in central Virginia in the VHO9 area. Is everybody experiencing the same for this one channel, or is it in HD everywhere else?
post #17744 of 17987
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Originally Posted by bob2274 View Post

NBA TV on channel 589 has been shown in SD for weeks now. In the last week or so, it has switched back and forth from SD to HD and back again a little while later. Now it's been SD for a few days. Channel 589 even shows up on my SD only digital adaptor. I'm in central Virginia in the VHO9 area. Is everybody experiencing the same for this one channel, or is it in HD everywhere else?

It's being broadcast in 1080i here. I'm in VHO4 in northern Virginia.
post #17745 of 17987
Fios is removing channel 1489 from The lineup soon according to my fios mail on the stb. Also sony movie channel has been on fios for quite sometime...5.1 audio and uncropped movies despite an annoying on screen bug.
post #17746 of 17987
1489 is a duplication of 1450
post #17747 of 17987
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

It's being broadcast in 1080i here. I'm in VHO4 in northern Virginia.

That's what I thought, thanks for the response. When I reported this issue last week to @verizonsupport on Twitter, I was told that their feed in Virginia Beach was the same as mine, so it's what the content provider is giving to Verizon. A tech actually called me from the fiber solutions center to explain this, but it seemed like this is as far as he had gone with it. I responded to them today with this info, and was told that this is "still under investigation". This only seems to be affecting VHO9 and 9a, which is what I told the guy a couple days ago. I know they get a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about, but they really seemed quick to dismiss what I was saying and close the ticket.
post #17748 of 17987
Did the NYC area ever get MSG+2 in HD yet on channel 581? The first Devils game on this channel is Friday, and everyone the will be asking where they can find it in HD after the game starts. No one seems to be asking about it yet on any other message boards.
post #17749 of 17987
I have asked, I have voted... Please vote...


http://forums.verizon.com/t5/Share-Your-Ideas-with-Verizon/MSG-2-HD/idi-p/523599


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Originally Posted by bob2274 View Post

Did the NYC area ever get MSG+2 in HD yet on channel 581? The first Devils game on this channel is Friday, and everyone the will be asking where they can find it in HD after the game starts. No one seems to be asking about it yet on any other message boards.
post #17750 of 17987
I voted a while back, and I've noticed it was acknowledged then pushed further and further back. It's strange, Verizon fought for years to get the MSG HD channels, fought appeals and won tham all. They had the two main channels the day after the appeals were exhausted. About two months later, MSG2 HD was added. Now here we are almost two years later, and MSG+2 HD still isn't there. I don't get it.
post #17751 of 17987
No Sundance channel (392) in Northern VA this morning. Has the channel been moved?
post #17752 of 17987
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Originally Posted by AudiophileWalt View Post

No Sundance channel (392) in Northern VA this morning. Has the channel been moved?

Effective October 1, 2013:
* Sundance Channel moves from Ch. 392 to Ch. 235 and will only be available to customers with the Extreme HD or Ultimate HD package.
* ESPN Classic moves from Ch. 71 to Ch. 310
* Golf Channel moves from Ch. 304 to Ch. 93
post #17753 of 17987
"Effective October 1, 2013:
* Sundance Channel moves from Ch. 392 to Ch. 235 and will only be available to customers with the Extreme HD or Ultimate HD package.
* ESPN Classic moves from Ch. 71 to Ch. 310
* Golf Channel moves from Ch. 304 to Ch. 93"
NYCTVENG: Thanks. Yesterday it was still on 392. I have Ultimatehd so I still have it. I looked for News but couldn't find it:)
post #17754 of 17987
Channel 589 is back to HD for now.
post #17755 of 17987
Seems that the audio for fox hd in NYC sometimes is off key. The surround sound is ok but sometimes the audio is off by a key. This has been happening as of earlier this year. Is it a a national issue or local one? Let me know when they fix it...before the super bowl
post #17756 of 17987
I hate when the fios box resets, esp during a baseball game..have to press menu...
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I guess I've been pretty fortunate. The only time I had a problem with a box resetting at random times was when I had a defective external drive. It's been going strong ever since the manufacturer replaced it.
post #17758 of 17987
New HD channels available now as of today it seems on 644 Oxygen and 741 TVLAND.
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Originally Posted by Timothy31 View Post

New HD channels available now as of today it seems on 644 Oxygen and 741 TVLAND.


Cool! Thanks for the info...
post #17760 of 17987
There's also 2 others as well in the Spanish tier. It also appears MTV2 HD will be added soon. As it is showing up in QAM according to someone on broadbandreports. He also reports there are two other mpeg 2 HD placeholders there but what they aren't idetifiable yet.
channel 1515 Antenna3 Spanish
channel 1759 MBC Drama USA HD
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